Encounters and Calling

John146 · Tuesday at 1:35 PM

The people of Nineveh believed God, yet it was Jonah, God's messenger speaking the words that God commanded him to speak.

Jonah 3:
4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

John146 · Tuesday at 1:37 PM

Aaron56 said:

My point is, if we're going to hear from God, it's going to be through his word. There is no more truth that we need in order to live for the Lord.

John146 · Tuesday at 2:01 PM

Aaron56 said:

Peter describes here the moment he saw with his own eyes and heard with his own ears the glory of Jesus, the future King, on the mount of transfiguration, and yet, he states that scripture is more sure than anything he had seen or heard. Wow!

2 Peter 1:
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

I'm sticking with scripture over anything I may have seen or heard.

Aaron56 · Tuesday at 2:58 PM

John146 said:

We agree on this point.

Do you believe God's Word only come through the Bible today? Or can He lead directly by the Spirit, as recorded many times in the New Testament?

Magenta · Tuesday at 3:01 PM

Aaron56 said:

There are many here who deny that God speaks to anybody in any way besides through his revealed written Word. I've even heard famous or well-known pastors teaching such, and I really wish they would only speak for themselves. All they're really telling us that they have never heard directly from God. Oh, and that they are not averse to directly contradicting the revealed written Word God when it suits their purposes.

John146 · Tuesday at 3:07 PM

Aaron56 said:

The Spirit can bring into remembrance things I have studied and read from the word in the past...urging me to live accordingly, or most of the time convicting me.

Aaron56 · Tuesday at 3:28 PM

John146 said:

But there are accounts of the Spirit leading men and women where there is no antecedent of scripture or teaching.
Are you saying He does not do that any more?

To me, unless I read in the same scriptural account "I do not do that any more" I would expect Him to do that with other saints in my lifetime. And, having received His direction in my spirit, I CAN find the scriptural antecedent where God has done that with other believers. So it is a one to one verification that God is the same yesterday as He is today.

What I do not understand, is how those who say "God does not lead people directly today" can provide no scriptural basis for their belief except a widely misinterpreted understanding on what "that which is perfect" means.

Furthermore, those same people say that such leadings are demonic deceptions. So, they make demons somehow more able to speak to people than God. It's really a silly argument and always from the spiritually young in Christ.

These people remaining young is not a mystery: only those who are led by the Spirit of God have the right to become teknon (or sons) of God. This is a word that implies the application of spirit-led direction.

Mem · Tuesday at 4:02 PM

Can God exist in a paradox wherein He changes not and yet does not remain static? Can anyone successfully argue against God's present existence as a dynamic being? Especially considering that the very word, "dynamic," shares a root meaning with Dunamis?
Following the conversation, I noted that God often employed reluctant prophets, like Moses and Jonah, to speak His word but did that change with the New Testament? Moses seemed to find content in abandoning "his people" and Jonah couldn't stand the Ninevites but, what had been Paul's, before being made an apostle to the gentiles, relationship in regard to them up to that point? Indifference? And contrasting Paul, formerly a pharisee, with Peter, whose only concern involved fishing, but made apostle to the Jews, is there any sort of common thread of particular significance there? It seems somehow entirely different but somehow as same as it ever was.

Magenta · Tuesday at 5:25 PM

Aaron56 said:

But there are accounts of the Spirit leading men and women where there is no antecedent of scripture or teaching.
Are you saying He does not do that any more?

To me, unless I read in the same scriptural account "I do not do that any more" I would expect Him to do that with other saints in my lifetime. And, having received His direction in my spirit, I CAN find the scriptural antecedent where God has done that with other believers. So it is a one to one verification that God is the same yesterday as He is today.

What I do not understand, is how those who say "God does not lead people directly today" can provide no scriptural basis for their belief except a widely misinterpreted understanding on what "that which is perfect" means.

Furthermore, those same people say that such leadings are demonic deceptions. So, they make demons somehow more able to speak to people than God. It's really a silly argument and always from the spiritually young in Christ.

These people remaining young is not a mystery: only those who are led by the Spirit of God have the right to become teknon (or sons) of God. This is a word that implies the application of spirit-led direction.

That "silly argument" that you speak of in your second last paragraph sounds a lot like blasphemy to me...

Blade · Tuesday at 6:17 PM

Hey all.. all I will say is in John 10:27 The three verbs of this verse are in the present tense denoting continuous action "hear", "know", and "follow". Hear and follow are the actions of the sheep and know is the progressive actions of Jesus. Notice in this verse the three marks of His sheep. First the sheep hear His voice as the one who speaks truth, life and righteousness. Second the sheep recognize and depend on His knowledge of them as individual sheep both as to their call and personal guidance. Third they follow signifying they obey by submitting to His claims and will.

I remember asking how do you know Gods voice? She said you know that you know that you know. That is fact. We are sheep and we hear and know and follow Him. Now there are times the enemy comes in or we are not walking as we should and hearing can be hard at those times if I have to wonder about what I heard I just put it on a shelve. See I just take Him at His word. I just believe that if He said you will hear and know my voice then I will for He cannot lie. Like everything else just from Matt-John where GOD through Christ said..wlere here are just a few. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you. Whatever you ask the Father in my name... these signs shall follow them that believe... how much more will your heavenly Father give the holy Spirit to them that ask.

For God so loved the world He gave His only son that who so ever believes in Him will not die but have everlasting life. My point is like Sis (Magenta) was talking about. His word for me was where He started talking when verses just popped out.. I could not get past them so I asked the grandmother that ran a bible study prayed 4h a day and if your old enough you know these "grandmothers". Yeah hair up in a bun? She said "thats God talking to you". The first dream I had .. I was about 15 and the dream from the lord was .. I saw my self with a huge smile and that me looked up so I looked up and oh the sky was not black but like dark blue and full of stars. And from the right to the left these angels flew across the sky had wings and were singing. I called that grandmother the next day.. ooh I asked I begged to please I want to I need to lol hear that again. I love, love, love music.. yes you have to say love three times

.

Never in my life have I heard signing like that and about 50 years since then never once have I got to hear and see that again. Heres the kicker, I never new angels had wings. Man there are over (they say I never counted) over 7000 promises of GOD. What is a promise? Do you have to keep asking? The song playing now.. don't have to doubt it for you have always been a friend to me. The song that comes to mind.. trust and obey there is no othere way to be? YES.. praise GOD GLORY GLORY GLORY TO GOD.. YES Made my self happy.. again....well not me He did it all

GWH · Tuesday at 7:13 PM

Taylorj2 said:

You seem to think that learning GW from the HS is not a deep way of encountering God.

John146 · Tuesday at 8:17 PM

Aaron56 said:

Tell this silly argument to Joseph Smith.

Colossians 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Blain · Tuesday at 8:43 PM

John146 said:

many read his word yet know nothing of him and usually they say the same thing you are saying. can you tell me what his personality is? can you tell me what his laughter sounds like? can you tell me his traits? can you tell me what he finds amusing?

Aaron56 · Tuesday at 9:23 PM

John146 said:

So, just to be clear, answer this: today, can God speak to man directly: His Spirit to our spirits? Or can only demons speak to man?

only1God · Tuesday at 9:36 PM

Taylorj2 said:

Here is a great topic to discuss. As a Bible believer and Charismatic, one of the distinguishing things I have noticed in Scripture is men who were used by God had encounters with God.

This is a two fold discussion: If you have had an encounter with God, please share it and describe what it means?
If you are against encounters and believe that we should not rely on them based on our calling, then give a scriptural argument.

I think this will be a fun conversation! Do encounters still exist today? Does God still speak to individuals beyond just the written word (remember, they had the torah before Jesus)?

only1God · Tuesday at 9:39 PM

I believe in encounters....there were angels in bible everywhere...Jesus was is and is to come ...I say yes

only1God · Tuesday at 9:40 PM

Aaron56 said:

GRACE_ambassador · Tuesday at 9:40 PM

Precious friends, yes, there were Many encounters when the Word Of God was still incomplete,
but, after Paul's writings were completed "with all of God's Requirements for the Current
Dispensation Of The Grace Of God", then:

"What Saith The Scriptures" to all who would "live by faith (which worketh by love), and
not by sight"?:

"And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and

to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think above

That Which Is Written,

that no one of you be puffed up for one against another." (1 Corinthians 4:6 AV)

[ thus preventing "judgmentalism, strife, vainglory, and pride" which Do Not belong in
The Body Of Christ, Correct? ]

"Simplicity In Christ", "...bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ..."
(2 Corinthians 9:5 AV)

More Scriptural food and nourishment for mastication and digestion, eh?

Amen.

only1God · Tuesday at 9:41 PM

god can do whatever he wants to do Luke 18:27

Magenta · Tuesday at 9:41 PM

Blade said:

Hey all.. all I will say is in John 10:27 The three verbs of this verse are in the present tense denoting continuous action "hear", "know", and "follow". Hear and follow are the actions of the sheep and know is the progressive actions of Jesus. Notice in this verse the three marks of His sheep. First the sheep hear His voice as the one who speaks truth, life and righteousness. Second the sheep recognize and depend on His knowledge of them as individual sheep both as to their call and personal guidance. Third they follow signifying they obey by submitting to His claims and will.

I remember asking how do you know Gods voice? She said you know that you know that you know. That is fact. We are sheep and we hear and know and follow Him. Now there are times the enemy comes in or we are not walking as we should and hearing can be hard at those times if I have to wonder about what I heard I just put it on a shelve. See I just take Him at His word. I just believe that if He said you will hear and know my voice then I will for He cannot lie. Like everything else just from Matt-John where GOD through Christ said..wlere here are just a few. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you. Whatever you ask the Father in my name... these signs shall follow them that believe... how much more will your heavenly Father give the holy Spirit to them that ask.

For God so loved the world He gave His only son that who so ever believes in Him will not die but have everlasting life. My point is like Sis (Magenta) was talking about. His word for me was where He started talking when verses just popped out.. I could not get past them so I asked the grandmother that ran a bible study prayed 4h a day and if your old enough you know these "grandmothers". Yeah hair up in a bun? She said "thats God talking to you". The first dream I had .. I was about 15 and the dream from the lord was .. I saw my self with a huge smile and that me looked up so I looked up and oh the sky was not black but like dark blue and full of stars. And from the right to the left these angels flew across the sky had wings and were singing. I called that grandmother the next day.. ooh I asked I begged to please I want to I need to lol hear that again. I love, love, love music.. yes you have to say love three times

.

Never in my life have I heard signing like that and about 50 years since then never once have I got to hear and see that again. Heres the kicker, I never new angels had wings. Man there are over (they say I never counted) over 7000 promises of GOD. What is a promise? Do you have to keep asking? The song playing now.. don't have to doubt it for you have always been a friend to me. The song that comes to mind.. trust and obey there is no othere way to be? YES.. praise GOD GLORY GLORY GLORY TO GOD.. YES Made my self happy.. again....well not me He did it all

Matthew 6 verse 31 plus 33 Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you.

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