Of course everything was created by God's word (Jesus).... (John 1)
That DOES NOT MEAN that everything that exists is defined in scripture.
Truly, this is some *facepalm* level stuff.
lol yea I never said it was you should tell that to who said it
Of course everything was created by God's word (Jesus).... (John 1)
That DOES NOT MEAN that everything that exists is defined in scripture.
Truly, this is some *facepalm* level stuff.
I have absolutely no idea. Science probes it, not me.The first statement has God creating the heavens and the earth. What do you see as the ‘something’ that ‘was here before’?
You isolated and replied to Icedaisey's question in a manner that implied that you thought he/she was in the wrong.lol yea I never said it was you should tell that to who said it
You isolated and replied to Icedaisey's question in a manner that implied that you thought he/she was in the wrong.
I have absolutely no idea. Science probes it, not me.
lol ohhh I Implied ……I see well anyways I didn’t say what you or she said and replied to i was explaining to here my point that she then asked that about , and you then jumped in and said it was a face palm moment …. Which I do agree with that part it was a face palm moment![]()
Logic is indeed stubborn, but you need not throw subtle insults at me because of that reality. Your "simply impossible" is your opinion, not "truth". While I agree that the creation of the heavens and the earth precede the creation of light, God's own use of day, night, evening, and morning in succession strongly support the idea that this first period of time was not fundamentally different from subsequent periods. You have an interesting theory, but you're basing that theory on an argument from silence, not on actual evidence from the text.Okay. I am using references to scales that we are familiar with (and that are objectively necessary to understand terms like "day")
But, if we use your (stubborn) logic,
1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
With verses 1-2, we have creation without ANY light, period. It existed without ANY reference to light (as you said described day). This is an *immeasurable* (by *any* metric) amount of "time", which completely and irrefutably disallows any literal interpretation of Genesis 1 within the bounds of our concept of time.
It is SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE. (And I don't care if it appears that I am "yelling". I don't mean to be rude, but the truth is not an *opinion*. It is important).
That only relates to when Adam was created. The earth could have existed for millennia prior to Adam. This is known as the gap theory.You are not going to convince a non-believer of a young age earth, but a christian by showing them there were only 77 generations between Adam and Jesus.
While I am not a Biblical literalist (though I do emphatically believe the authority of scripture), you cannot logically claim that
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You should try to be coherent in your responses. The lack of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling in your responses make them quite difficult to understand.
That's surprisingly common around here.Truly, this is some *facepalm* level stuff.
Perhaps you have forgotten what you wrote earlier? Here it is...I have absolutely no idea. Science probes it, not me.
I would say it has nothing to do with the truth of scripture, for scripture tells us something was here before God started creating it for us.
Logic is indeed stubborn, but you need not throw subtle insults at me because of that reality. Your "simply impossible" is your opinion, not "truth". While I agree that the creation of the heavens and the earth precede the creation of light, God's own use of day, night, evening, and morning in succession strongly support the idea that this first period of time was not fundamentally different from subsequent periods. You have an interesting theory, but you're basing that theory on an argument from silence, not on actual evidence from the text.
And while we're at it, we'll allegorize those pesky words from Exodus 20:11, smack in the middle of the obviously-very-literal ten commandments?One comparison of Psalm 18 and its parallel 2 Samuel 22 (as well as consideration of the rest of the prophets and OT writers) should be all we need to remind us that the Hebraic literary style is NOT the same as we are used to as 21st century Westerners. To take the creation account as *necessarily* woodenly literal does a disservice to scholarship and honesty.
Wrong... see my comment from a moment ago.No, it is not at all my "opinion". We have a *period*, which predates the stated first day and therefore is outside of any relative or real measure or fathom of time, which again, is of itself, relevant. The "time frame" of Genesis 1 is simply not POSSIBLE to be taken literally. At all. There is not even a discussion to be had here.
or Maybe you shouldn’t jump into a response to another person with an attitude possibly ?
The Bible explains why the mind of sinners is unreliable. Their minds have been darkened. You have scientists who start with a premise such as there is no God. They claim to be wise but prove themselves to be fools. Read Romans 1 for the sorry story.I think it does matter if you want to find the truth. And there are many methods beyond Carbon dating that indicate the age of something. If God gave us the intellectual ability to use science to find out about the world around us, why do we disagree with the the field evidence?
I would expect that a conversation with someone who has a legitimate point to share would at minimum take the effort to present his or her point in an understandable way.
I repeated what scripture says, do you want to scalp me for quoting scripture? It was void, and I do not know what God meant by that so take my scalp because I honestly do not know and I don't think repeating scripture is such an offense as you are making it. I made a claim about what scripture says, I made absolutely no claim that I was there to look at this void that scripture says was there. I wasn't there.Perhaps you have forgotten what you wrote earlier? Here it is...
So, again, what does Scripture say was here before God started creating, and which verse(s) tell(s) you this? You made a claim; I'm asking you to substantiate your claim. You keep saying you want to discuss Scripture, so let's discuss Scripture! Which part of Scripture tells us what you claim?
well you must just be on a higher level than me you do seem pretty wiseI’ll continue mingling with the fools who believe that God made the earth and everything in it in six days and then rested on the seventh
Another point is that the word "was" (verse two) can be just as accurately translated "became". One theory (which I believe to be true) is that there was a creation prior to what is recorded in Genesis 1. From verse 3, we see the restoration of the earth that was destroyed by a flood. If this is correct, it answers a lot of questions about the geological record, fossils and how death could have come in before Adam sinned.Okay. I am using references to scales that we are familiar with (and that are objectively necessary to understand terms like "day")
But, if we use your (stubborn) logic,
1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
With verses 1-2, we have creation without ANY light, period. It existed without ANY reference to light (as you said described day). This is an *immeasurable* (by *any* metric) amount of "time", which completely and irrefutably disallows any literal interpretation of Genesis 1 within the bounds of our concept of time.
It is SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE. (And I don't care if it appears that I am "yelling". I don't mean to be rude, but the truth is not an *opinion*. It is important).
I'm simply speaking about your fundamental communication in written English. Previously, it was nearly impossible to understand.