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We can still take it literally
Hebraic literature often gave the same scene in different views. Each successive view giving us more detail.
Gen 1 does this perfectly
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Hebraic literature often gave the same scene in different views. Each successive view giving us more detail.
Gen 1 does this perfectly
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@JonMaxwell if you can. Try to correct your quotes if you see them
Gen 1 is a historical account of creation
Psalms 18 is is not a historical record. So I am not sure what your asking
gen 1 we have three accounts
1. God created the heavens and the earth
2. The seven days of creation
3. The creation of mankind.
Gen 1 is a historical account of creation
Psalms 18 is is not a historical record. So I am not sure what your asking
gen 1 we have three accounts
1. God created the heavens and the earth
2. The seven days of creation
3. The creation of mankind.
I will attempt to format the quotes correctly; thanks.
Genesis 1 cannot be a historical account. A day, across all cultures and times (including Biblically) is considered to be the complete cycle of the Earth (rising and falling of the sun) and a consistent time frame. Without the rising/falling of the sun, and the creation of the morning/evening (which wasn't until the fourth day), there is nothing objective and relevant to base the measure of a "day" upon. This is important, and something that is somewhat lost upon us in this day who have clocks everywhere that measure to the minute: Time is RELEVANT, not self-standing. We do not get the objects it is RELEVANT TO until day 4. This is IMPERATIVE to understand Genesis 1 properly.
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I think God used the evening and the morning to signify it was a 24 hour period.
The time would have still been the same, the only difference would be there would have been no light, unless you consider God as the light. 9:0 at night would still be 9: 00 at night. When people are in space. There is still evening and morning, it is a period of time.
Time started in Gen 1: 1,
It was still an account of creation.
Plus or minus 50 million years.
The age is arrived at through testing rocks and minerals radiometrically.
Due to rocks continuously recycling, researchers continue to seek other specimens to date . The earth age may be older, give or take, given that ongoing pursuit.
Like I said, time is RELATIVE. "24 hours" did not, and cannot EXIST before the creation of the sun. Even WHAT WE PERCEIVE as "24 hours" cannot exist without the sun. Because the DEFINITION of "24 hours" is dependent upon the sun.
When people are in space, they are still using comparing their watches to those on earth, which is dependent upon the existence of the sun. Time as we know it DOES NOT EXIST WITHOUT THE SUN. A fundamental knowledge of the LITERAL principle of E=Mc2 is essential to understanding this, and why the idea of a LITERAL 24 hours COULD NOT POSSIBLY exist before the "fourth day".
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So we need the sun to have 24 hours?
I am sorry man, Now who is making presuppositions?
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“The age is arrived at through testing rocks and minerals radiometrically.”
“Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”
Hebrews 11:3 KJV
Studying rocks rather than what God said could be the issue
Hi and welcome to CC...
Genesis 1:3 states that God created light and separated it from darkness. While the text does not tell us whether this was a point source of light, it does provide sufficient frame of reference for there to be "day" and "night"... as verse 4 says. Your claim that a literal 24-hour day could not exist is therefore unsupportable. We use the sun as the reference for day and night, but its absence does not preclude some other reference, which is plausibly the "light" from verse 3.
I do understand the relationship between matter and energy, but I don't see its relevance to this matter. Perhaps you'd care to explain.
One other thing... using ALL CAPS is the discussion forum equivalent of yelling. I would encourage you to use it sparingly.
Your claim that a literal 24-hour day could not exist is therefore unsupportable. We use the sun as the reference for day and night, but its absence does not preclude some other reference
The reference for "day" and "night" based upon there being light and dark is supportable by your claim, but a literal "24 hour day" is not. Again, time is relevant. The second and minute and hour do not exist in a vacuum, they are a relative measure of a temporal period that is dependent upon the existence and relationship between the Earth and Sun.
Thank you, and duly noted!Hi and welcome to CC...
One other thing... using ALL CAPS is the discussion forum equivalent of yelling. I would encourage you to use it sparingly.
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Time moves forward. We use the movement of the sun and the earth to measure time. But it is still a reality.
It does not need the son for time to move forward.
Again, I believe you are putting too much reliance on the sun as a point of reference. Given that God created light and described day and night prior to creating the sun, there is no reason to think that the rotational speed of the earth was substantially different than it is now... unless you have an a priori belief to support. The onus would be on you to support your position with something more substantial than a hypothesis... especially when it runs counter to the plain text.
Okay. I am using references to scales that we are familiar with (and that are objectively necessary to understand terms like "day")
But, if we use your (stubborn) logic,
1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
With verses 1-2, we have creation without ANY light, period. It existed without ANY reference to light (as you said described day). This is an *immeasurable* (by *any* metric) amount of "time", which completely and irrefutably disallows any literal interpretation of Genesis 1 within the bounds of our concept of time.
It is SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE. (And I don't care if it appears that I am "yelling". I don't mean to be rude, but the truth is not an *opinion*. It is important).
everything that exists was created by Gods word
science looks at what his word created in a moment without faith , so we say “ nature Would take a billion years to create this “ it’s because we’re not understanding the almighty and his power
science would also tell us this isn’t possible but he spoke it and it happened
“And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.”
John 11:43-44 KJV
was a simple point that science fools it’s own self into thinking too much of mans “ wisdom “
Of course everything was created by God's word (Jesus).... (John 1)
That DOES NOT MEAN that everything that exists is defined in scripture.
Truly, this is some *facepalm* level stuff.