Doomsday Preppers

[SpoonJuly]

What in the world does this verse have to do with Doomsday Preppers?

That was in response to your statement that Christians would not go through tribulation.

Should be Acts 14:22

 

[Nehemiah6]

Should be Acts 14:22

Except that the trials, tribulations, and martyrdoms of the saints are not the same as the Tribulation period reserved for the unbelieving and the ungodly (a period of wrath from both God and Satan). Here is what Paul was talking about:

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another....

But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them. And the gospel must first be published among all nations. But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

 

[SpoonJuly]

Except that the trials, tribulations, and martyrdoms of the saints are not the same as the Tribulation period reserved for the unbelieving and the ungodly (a period of wrath from both God and Satan). Here is what Paul was talking about:

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another....

But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them. And the gospel must first be published among all nations. But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

So you are saying there will be no saints during the tribulation.

The time of tribulation (last three and a half years of the 70th week) is for Israel, but there will be Saints there that will suffer tribulation.

 

[SpoonJuly]

I believe we as men, husbands, fathers, and believers we have a duty to prepare for difficult times.
Sad fact is that when difficult times come most are standing in line waiting for a handout from the government, and complaining about what they get, how much the get, and how long they had to wait.
I will do my part and rely on my Lord to bring me through.

 

[DeighAnn]

I just took the wisdom and knowledge I was given through the Word about the events that are to be coming down the pipe and went and got myself a bunch of not big, (but big enough to barter with) metals (for bread and ice cream and other necessities) and a few "artsy" things that look nice for now (to cover some of the more "major" things that may come up) and follow that up with a drive to Mexico every year for things like "antibiotics" (never know when a cut might become infected), a big propane tank and heater, bunch of wood and matches and a well, and once I got that on solar, I will be right back into that peace (it really hasn't left)

I believe God will provide but I just figure I should do what I can on my own, at least that is what I did.

 

[John146]

I have a bridge for sale for anyone interested...

 

[stillness]

A lot of people believe that they won’t go through the end time tribulation, so maybe this is not for them, but I was curious about surviving through the tribulation when times get tough.

I have different views on the matter. Some people go all out and store food, items , build underground bunks, etc for a doomsday event, not so much because they are doing it from a biblical perspective etc.

But for those that do believe they’ll go through it, What is the necessary steps, if any, that should be taken. And I’m not referring to spiritual preparation, obviously that is first priority and a must. I’m referring to the physical aspect of the tribulation that will occur.

Two views come to mind when I think about “prepping” for such an event. One being the story of Joseph in Egypt, years of plenty and years of famine. They collected, prepared for the years of famine during the time of plenty. Is that something we should be doing?

But then the second view comes to mind, the manna in the desert. God said only to collect the ration for the day and not to collect more than needed and sure enough the ones that did got worms in the manna. Does that mean we should not be storing or preparing in such manner and just hope and trust God everything will be alright?

I asked the Lord if I should get a gun to hunt during a famine?What do you think He said?
You don't need any inventions.
That was years ago, when I looked to Him recently He said: You can't prepare for what's coming.
My favorite verse, Count it all Joy, Pray without quiting, in everything give Thanks, for this is the Will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you."
If We seek Him first, what we need will be added.

 

[stillness]

A lot of people believe that they won’t go through the end time tribulation, so maybe this is not for them, but I was curious about surviving through the tribulation when times get tough.

I have different views on the matter. Some people go all out and store food, items , build underground bunks, etc for a doomsday event, not so much because they are doing it from a biblical perspective etc.

But for those that do believe they’ll go through it, What is the necessary steps, if any, that should be taken. And I’m not referring to spiritual preparation, obviously that is first priority and a must. I’m referring to the physical aspect of the tribulation that will occur.

Two views come to mind when I think about “prepping” for such an event. One being the story of Joseph in Egypt, years of plenty and years of famine. They collected, prepared for the years of famine during the time of plenty. Is that something we should be doing?

But then the second view comes to mind, the manna in the desert. God said only to collect the ration for the day and not to collect more than needed and sure enough the ones that did got worms in the manna. Does that mean we should not be storing or preparing in such manner and just hope and trust God everything will be alright?

I asked the Lord if I should get a gun to hunt during a famine?What do you think He said?
You don't need any inventions.
That was years ago, when I looked to Him recently He said: You can't prepare for what's coming.
My favorite verse, Count it all Joy, Pray without quiting, in everything give Thanks, for this is the Will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you."
If We seek Him first, what we need will be added.

 

[MattforJesus]

A lot of people believe that they won’t go through the end time tribulation, so maybe this is not for them, but I was curious about surviving through the tribulation when times get tough.

I have different views on the matter. Some people go all out and store food, items , build underground bunks, etc for a doomsday event, not so much because they are doing it from a biblical perspective etc.

But for those that do believe they’ll go through it, What is the necessary steps, if any, that should be taken. And I’m not referring to spiritual preparation, obviously that is first priority and a must. I’m referring to the physical aspect of the tribulation that will occur.

Two views come to mind when I think about “prepping” for such an event. One being the story of Joseph in Egypt, years of plenty and years of famine. They collected, prepared for the years of famine during the time of plenty. Is that something we should be doing?

But then the second view comes to mind, the manna in the desert. God said only to collect the ration for the day and not to collect more than needed and sure enough the ones that did got worms in the manna. Does that mean we should not be storing or preparing in such manner and just hope and trust God everything will be alright?

The great tribulation will be for the last three and one half years of a 7 years period which is the time God causes all people that does not love Him to follow the beast kingdom, New Age Christ, so He can end this sin business on earth, and brings Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

Which is why Paul said the saints cannot be gathered until Christ until there is a falling away first which is the condition of the world in response to the Gospel which they stop the Gospel being preached in favor of evolution and they are still evolving provided by the New Age Christ, and the man of sin claims to be God which happens at the mid point of the 7 years period.

Which the Bible says Israel is blinded in part which they acknowledge the Old Testament for the majority, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in when salvation is no longer available to them, and so all Israel shall be saved.

Which when the world takes the mark of the beast in the middle of the 7 years period then salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles, and the fullness of the Gentiles have come in, and God will turn Israel to the truth which all Jews will be on their land by way of the 7 years peace treaty in the Middle East for the Gentiles caused it to happen.

So the saints will not be resurrected until after the mid point of the 7 years period, and the beast has not persecuted them yet, but the great tribulation is for the last half of the 7 years period.

Which the beast makes war against the saints and prevails against them, and they are given in to his hands for three and one half years, and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people all things shall be finished concerning the book of Daniel and the ruler ship of people on earth their governments for Jesus will take over, in which God said that He will make a full end of all Gentile nations but will not make an end of Israel although they will not be wholly unpunished.

Which then comes the end when the Son shall deliver up the kingdom to God the Father when He shall have put down all rule, power, and authority, which those that remain from the great tribulation shall be caught up, and then the wrath of God is poured upon the world leading up to the battle of Armageddon when Jesus comes back with the saints and defeats the world and saves Israel.

So it is cannot be denied that the great tribulation is the last half of a 7 years period, which when the Gentile nations come together and say Peace and safety the 7 years period will start and Paul said the saints will not be deceived by that so the saints are on earth when the 7 years period starts.

And repentance and salvation are still available during the first half so the saints will not be resurrected at that time.

As far as preparing I did not think about it and God will supply our needs, and Jesus tells us not to think about what we shall say if they capture us but the Spirit will tell us what to say.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand),
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Jesus told the Jews confessing Christ to run and do not look back for the antichrist will persecute the saints relentlessly on a world wide scale which is why it is the greatest persecution ever against the truth for this is the devil's wrath on the people of God and he is off his leash concerning the wicked and they will be deceived by the devil and have the nature of a devil.

There will be no saints going to jobs, and living in houses, and doing day to day activities, and eating at McDonalds, for they will be running like the dickens from the people that are pursuing them, so the only thing you can prepare for is carrying whatever you can with you, which Jesus said do not even go back to the house to get anything, and pray that it is not winter, or you have to drag a young child with you for those things slow you down.

And the devil is not playing around but they will pursue the saints with a vengeance unrivaled by any military that has ever been in the world in the history of mankind, and if Jesus did not shorten the days to three and one half years no flesh would be saved.

For the devil is not only trying to deceive people spiritually, and destroy the saints physically, but he is also trying to destroy physically the people that follow him to persecute the saints for the man of sin, New Age Christ has no more human choice but is controlled by the devil including those that follow him, and the devil is trying to destroy all people.

But the world coming together and trying to establish peace on earth, and stopping the Gospel world wide, and not acknowledging a higher power, but honoring the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, the evolutionary process, allowed the devil to be off his leash and ruling the world, a power he could not have in the past but the restraint is off him at that time.

The saints will go through tribulation in the future for God will not give up on the world until they give up on Him, and He will allow them to go all the way to going against Israel and that is when He says that His fury shall come up in His face and then He will fight the world and put them down.

And then the saints will rejoice and say how do you like us now, lol, for if there was ever a good time to say that and have it carry serious weight it would be the greatest time at that time than at any other time in history of something negative coming back on people that did people wrong and bad.

For when the saints come back in glorified bodies that flesh cannot fight against they will know who was really the toughest kids on the block which is why the Bible calls them the mighty people, but Jesus will fight them alone and each saint in a glorified body like Jesus' glorified body could also administer that same power if God wanted them to.

The world cannot even defeat one saint in a glorified body so how could they deal with millions of them, and people thought superman was strong but he has nothing on a saint of God.

I say this because the saints will win in the long run and Jesus said do not worry what they can do to the body but can do no more as a positive attitude during a negative situation.

 

[Nehemiah6]

So you are saying there will be no saints during the tribulation.

No. We need to distinguish between the Church and the Tribulation saints (who will all be beheaded). If the entire Church faced the Tribulation, then everyone would be beheaded. But we don't see that in Scripture.

I believe this Scripture (Rev 3:10) would apply to the Church: Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

The *hour of temptation* = the period of testing. "The world" = the unbelieving world.

The time of tribulation (last three and a half years of the 70th week) is for Israel, but there will be Saints there that will suffer tribulation.

The first 3 1/2 years would be those of the Tribulation (first six trumpets). The last 3 1/2 years would be the Great Tribulation (7th trumpet).

 

[SpoonJuly]

No. We need to distinguish between the Church and the Tribulation saints (who will all be beheaded). If the entire Church faced the Tribulation, then everyone would be beheaded. But we don't see that in Scripture.

I believe this Scripture (Rev 3:10) would apply to the Church: Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

The *hour of temptation* = the period of testing. "The world" = the unbelieving world.


The first 3 1/2 years would be those of the Tribulation (first six trumpets). The last 3 1/2 years would be the Great Tribulation (7th trumpet).

Rev 3:10 was to the church at Philadelphia.
There is no Scripture that states that ALL the tribulation Saints will be beheaded.
We will continue to disagree on the end time events.

 

[GaryA]

Doomsday preppers are generally unsaved and don't really understand Bible truth. Christians will not be going through the Tribulation, which is designed for the unbelieving and the ungodly.

"Boy, are you gonna get a surprise..."

Except that the trials, tribulations, and martyrdoms of the saints are not the same as the Tribulation period reserved for the unbelieving and the ungodly (a period of wrath from both God and Satan).

You don't think the "tribulation saints" will experience trials, tribulations, and martyrdom?

No. We need to distinguish between the Church and the Tribulation saints (who will all be beheaded).

The "tribulation saints" aren't Christians?

If the entire Church faced the Tribulation, then everyone would be beheaded. But we don't see that in Scripture.

You don't see that in scripture.

 

[GaryA]

The great tribulation will be for the last three and one half years of a 7 years period . . .

. . . but the great tribulation is for the last half of the 7 years period.

So it is cannot be denied that the great tribulation is the last half of a 7 years period . . .

I can deny it.

There is no End Times prophetic 7 year period. There is no 3.5 year "first half" of a 7 year period. There is no 3.5 year "last half" of a 7 year period.

The only End Times prophetic 3.5 year period that is biblical is the one we call the 'Two Witnesses'.

 

[ArtsieSteph]

I think if you’re prepping for maybe a tornado or an earthquake if you’re in those kinds of areas, that’s one thing. But automatically prepping for end times kinda shows a little bit of a lack of faith, don’t you think?

 

[JaumeJ]

It is not "doomsday," for us it is the glory of our Father coming for each of us.

 

[crossnote]

hmm, wonder if this runs down party lines? Those who prep tend to believe we will go through the Trib and those who see a pre-trib rapture tend not to prep.

 

[Jackson123]

hmm, wonder if this runs down party lines? Those who prep tend to believe we will go through the Trib and those who see a pre-trib rapture tend not to prep.

I believe in post trib rapture but I do not know if you store water for 3 years, where you hide with modern technology, new technology able to detect where we at. Only God able to protect us and send us food

 

[oyster67]

I think Food storage is smart anytime and who knows if preppers might be called on in case all the ravens get eat lol
I believe unicorns are rhinoceroses according to the description and appearance

I believe that every good doomsday prepper should have at least one smart rhinoceros with a corny horn.

 

[bojack]

I believe that every good doomsday prepper should have at least one smart rhinoceros with a corny horn.

You need no more corn

 

[oyster67]

So you are saying there will be no saints during the tribulation.

The time of tribulation (last three and a half years of the 70th week) is for Israel, but there will be Saints there that will suffer tribulation.

You and I will be at that wonderful wedding in the sky, PTL!