Don't even know how to do this

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Ah THAT explains why you have been yelling at newbeginnings about this. You have personally been wounded by similar circumstances.

Of course that doesn't make it okay to blast at her when you don't understand her situation... but it does make your reaction more understandable. "Hurting people hurt people" as they say.

I'm sorry. Could you please copy and paste where I have "yelled," "blasted," and "hurt" the OP? For me to get straightened out, I'll need to see what I have done wrong. Clearly, I am being "yelled" at, "blasted" and folks are attempting to "hurt" me in this thread, so again, if you could show me the depth of my egregious behaviors, I would really appreciate the opportunity to learn and become a better person so that I am more like you, Lynx.

Thanks

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

So because you didn't leave abusive partners and found some Bible verses you can universalize and use to support that decision; you're now convinced that everyone who finds the courage and ability to extricate themselves from an abusive situation is blatantly disobedient and in opposition to God and you must tell them how wrong they are. Is that a fair summary? My Bible knowledge is good, but I can't remember a situation in Bible where Jesus ever interacted with a hurting person by slinging the law at them and telling them how much wrong they were doing. Can you remember such an instance? There might be a place for a serious theological debate about the point at which poor treatment (as will inevitably happen between two fallen people trying to do life together) crosses over into the territory of something so bad that it justifies dissolving the marriage and getting out to protect yourself and your children, but that place is not in response to someone who basically comes here to start a thread about I'm newly single and feel so lost and confused about how to live single and needs some support.

Betting that didn't make your Christmas very merry either.

Thank you for sharing your frustration. Could you please show me the verses that I have "universalized"? I would like to know what they are to ensure that I am no longer in error, but am in a more correct position such as yourself.

I have convinced someone of something? Who have I convinced? Who has changed their position?

Did I "sling" the law at someone? What Law of Moses did I sling?

I offered post number 3, wherein I feel that I was incredibly sympathetic to the OP. It would be good to read it. For some reason, you all are coming at me as though I was a "Pharisee" if not outright evil. What I did to deserve this incredible attack? I have quoted God's Holy Word. If I am so long, so corrupt, wouldn't it be wise to treat me with gentle discretion, so that in the process I might come into a better relationship with the Lord?

I'm trying to understand how I am a stumbling block to this group of people, but none of you, considering that I am the one who is in error, are not stumbling blocks to me? Are we not on a two-way street, here, or is it true that there really is a set of double standards where I am not allowed to quote scripture, yet you folks are allowed to assault me?

Thanks in advance for clarifying.

 

[Lynx]

My Bible knowledge is good, but I can't remember a situation in Bible where Jesus ever interacted with a hurting person by slinging the law at them and telling them how much wrong they were doing. Can you remember such an instance? .

Well I do know a few places in the Bible, but (as has been mentioned many times on the forum) it was always directed at the Pharisees, the ones who thought they had perfected holiness and that made them better than everybody else.

Wait... that sounds familiar... I swear I've seen someone in this very thread who fits that Pharisee description, but I can't quite put my finger on it...

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Wait... that sounds familiar... I swear I've seen someone in this very thread who fits that Pharisee description, but I can't quite put my finger on it...

Would this be an example of "yelling" and being a "stumbling block"? And if so, why are you justified to treat me in such a manner?

 

[Lynx]

Thank you for sharing your frustration. Could you please show me the verses that I have "universalized"? I would like to know what they are to ensure that I am no longer in error, but am in a more correct position such as yourself.

Why do you keep asking people to explain stuff they already explained?

It's almost like the junk Bill Clinton pulled when he was trying to evade pointed questions. Except we didn't ask any questions.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Why do you keep asking people to explain stuff they already explained?

It's almost like the junk Bill Clinton pulled when he was trying to evade pointed questions. Except we didn't ask any questions.

Can you please explain how you are justified to try to humiliate me? If I am your enemy, and if you are commanded to love your enemies, why are you justified to treat me as you do?

 

[Lynx]

Can you please explain how you are justified to try to humiliate me? If I am your enemy, and if you are commanded to love your enemies, why are you justified to treat me as you do?

Only if you satisfactorily explain and justify your apparently egregious attacks on the person who started this thread.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

egregious attacks

Please show me what those "attacks" are and how they differ from this thread becoming an obvious attack on me. I can't give you an explanation for your fairy tale, so you'll have to show me what my "attack" is.

 

[Lynx]

Please show me what those "attacks" are and how they differ from this thread becoming an obvious attack on me. I can't give you an explanation for your fairy tale, so you'll have to show me what my "attack" is.

I could do that. Sure, I could spend a while compiling [quotes] and presenting them with explanations attached.

That would be an exercise in futility though. You'd just come back with another "Oh yeah? Prove it!" to further cloud the issue.

So instead I'm going to take a page from your playbook:

You said this thread is becoming an obvious attack on you. What makes you think it is an attack on you?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I could do that. Sure, I could spend a while compiling [quotes] and presenting them with explanations attached.

That would be an exercise in futility though. You'd just come back with another "Oh yeah? Prove it!" to further cloud the issue.

So instead I'm going to take a page from your playbook:

You said this thread is becoming an obvious attack on you. What makes you think it is an attack on you?

Thank you. You just proved my point.

 

[JesusLives]

2ndTimothyGroup said:
You're a bit backward.
17Bees said:
Well, he's from Tennessee sooo....

I just moved to TN a year ago does that mean I moved here to learn how to be a little bit backward?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

2ndTimothyGroup said:
You're a bit backward.
17Bees said:
Well, he's from Tennessee sooo....

I just moved to TN a year ago does that mean I moved here to learn how to be a little bit backward?

Huh? I didn't say anything about Tennessee. Why would you do this . . . as if I had done it?

 

[JesusLives]

Been in Tennessee one year and I'm still a little light on the lingo.

Well bless your little heart darlin....

 

[JesusLives]

Huh? I didn't say anything about Tennessee. Why would you do this . . . as if I had done it?

You need to learn to lighten up and read the whole thing and laugh a little. Laughter is good medicine.....helps keep the bones from getting dry....

Did you not say he's a little backward? then 17Bees said Well he's from Tennessee.... ya both said something that I thought was funny so this blonde jumped on the band wagon to try and be a little more funny. Laugh a little it's good for ya.

 

[Lynx]

Well bless your little heart darlin....

No no, if you get that deep you're in Georgia or Mississippi. We might bless your heart, and the more laconic among us might call you darlin, but we'd never bless your darlin little heart. That's too many words at a time for us to bother with.

 

[17Bees]

You need to learn to lighten up and read the whole thing and laugh a little. Laughter is good medicine.....helps keep the bones from getting dry....

Did you not say he's a little backward? then 17Bees said Well he's from Tennessee.... ya both said something that I thought was funny so this blonde jumped on the band wagon to try and be a little more funny. Laugh a little it's good for ya.

I just looked at my driver's license and it turns out I"m from Tennesse! You know what? The folks down there at the DMV ought'a make that clear.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

You need to learn to lighten up and read the whole thing and laugh a little. Laughter is good medicine.....helps keep the bones from getting dry....

Did you not say he's a little backward? then 17Bees said Well he's from Tennessee.... ya both said something that I thought was funny so this blonde jumped on the band wagon to try and be a little more funny. Laugh a little it's good for ya.

Well, if you take a look at this entire thread, you'll find that virtually anything I say is disregarded and in general, considered to be wrong. I appreciate your level of humor, though.

 

[cinder]

Thank you for sharing your frustration. Could you please show me the verses that I have "universalized"? I would like to know what they are to ensure that I am no longer in error, but am in a more correct position such as yourself.

I have convinced someone of something? Who have I convinced? Who has changed their position?

Did I "sling" the law at someone? What Law of Moses did I sling?

I offered post number 3, wherein I feel that I was incredibly sympathetic to the OP. It would be good to read it. For some reason, you all are coming at me as though I was a "Pharisee" if not outright evil. What I did to deserve this incredible attack? I have quoted God's Holy Word. If I am so long, so corrupt, wouldn't it be wise to treat me with gentle discretion, so that in the process I might come into a better relationship with the Lord?

I'm trying to understand how I am a stumbling block to this group of people, but none of you, considering that I am the one who is in error, are not stumbling blocks to me? Are we not on a two-way street, here, or is it true that there really is a set of double standards where I am not allowed to quote scripture, yet you folks are allowed to assault me?

Thanks in advance for clarifying.

No one took issue with post #3. It's post #16 and following where you harp and harp on obedience, but the only verses you quote make it sound like obedience would be going back into an abusive situation and staying in it. Is that what you are advising? If not maybe you can clarify what you think obedience to the word of God looks like for someone in an abusive marriage? If only one is a christian does 1 cor 7:10 -11 apply the same way ( and how do we reconcile that whole wife not leave her husband with the next verse saying but if she does leave? Does that mean leaving is permitted or not? Is that only for christian spouses since the next few verses deal with those who have unbelieving spouses? Does it make a difference if instead of people who were married and then one came to faith as was likely the case in Corinth when this letter was written, we're talking about two people who were believers and then one lost faith ? ) ? You won't find many people around here who think casual divorce because things got difficult and inconvenient is ok, but you will find a fair number who were in terrible situations and thank God every day they were able to get out. And you're going to have to mount a much stronger case if you want to convince anyone that God requires anyone to stay in a situation that will very likely destroy their sanity, their faith, and possibly their very life as a matter of obedience to him.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

but the only verses you quote make it sound like obedience would be going back into an abusive situation and staying in it.

I hear you. What I was getting at would be to now stay single. This was the basis for the Scripture that I posted.

But hey, it isn't up to me. People can do whatever they want.

 

[17Bees]

Well, if you take a look at this entire thread, you'll find that virtually anything I say is disregarded and in general, considered to be wrong. I appreciate your level of humor, though.

I'll see if I can take a crack at this: I and several others have been in this Singles forum for several years and have what I think is a fair but fluid idea of the culture of ChristianChat. And when I say it's fluid I mean the culture evolves with the kind of audience in attendance, but rarely changes its (what I would call) empathetic frivolity when dealing with the life problems of the single or the horrors of abuse of a married life. Humor, to us, I think is a kind of slap in the face of the macabre. A trip wire on the pathway of loneliness. It's wearing a huge cowboy hat to a break up.

One thing that the Singles culture refuses to change though is we don't like to be preached at. We preach to each other with a kind of knowing brotherhood, almost a prison mentality, knowing a sister has my back. Not that anyone knows exactly what the OP is going through (which is immense) but rather what we can relate to and not conflate with her story.

Yes we know what Paul said. We've read the book. But reading the text doesn't bring your story to the table, your testimony, your struggle and what our Lord God did to turn your particular table. You injected yourself in the script but it felt like your heart left the building. Your words aren't disregarded - there's 5 pages of back and forth about it, and it's not considered wrong. It's the way you're saying it.

Your last sentence said you appreciate the level of humor. I'm not sure you do tho. Not yet.