Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

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JayBird

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If you had actually read my post instead of jumping to conclusions you would see that I lumped the entire presidential race into the kingdom of darkness. This post is why I do not read your posts anymore. You have lost all credibility. The only reason I read this is because you quoted my post. I have reported you because this is now the second time you are pushing this lie about me supporting one of the presidential candidates. I cannot stop you from replying to my posts, but I can report every single falsehood and lie that you post. If you reply to another one of my posts I will pull up all your posts and go through them to indentify any slander and any lies.
So to be clear, you are not a Trump supporter at all or in any shape or form.

If that is correct, then please accept my apologies.
 

ZNP

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So to be clear, you are not a Trump supporter at all or in any shape or form.

If that is correct, then please accept my apologies.
If you read the post it would have been abundantly clear. If you don't understand what a Hobson's choice is then look it up. You claim that you are a Christian and yet you don't understand what it means to be eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

The fact that you did not understand my post as speaking about both Trump and Harris supporters raises very many questions about everything you have shared. This is why I say you have lost all credibility. Either you are unable to think critically or you are not a Christian and are simply masquerading as one.

That said I do accept your apology.
 

ZNP

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But greed, love of money, fornication, adultery, cursing in church, etc. are all just fine apparently.
It was shocking to me to see how ugly and insulting this language is and the assumptions you have.

Utterly bizarre. You say you won't tolerate sin, while supporting one of the most sinful, hedonistic, and unrepentant people to ever seek the Presidency.
I took great offense at this but should explain. I do not tolerate sin in my own life, that doesn't mean I go around like some self righteous judge accusing others. I call out sin, but don't condemn either Trump or Harris. Are they sinners? Of course. Have they been created in the image of God who desires them to be saved? Yes. So your accusation of me was unfounded, but your self righteous judging tone towards others was totally repugnant.

No, they're anti-justice. They believe Trump should be as a king, above the law. They believe holding Trump accountable for his crimes is "persecution" rather than justice. They want to see the people who assaulted police and were convicted of seditious conspiracy against the United States freed. They want to defund the federal police.
More judgement on your part, more self righteousness. All the things that repulse unbelievers from the gospel. What a shame to come from someone claiming to be a Christian.

Stepping into Christian pro-Trump world truly is a surreal experience.
I don't know what you are talking about, but "stepping into your world" as depicted in this post is repulsive.
 

ZNP

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But greed, love of money, fornication, adultery, cursing in church, etc. are all just fine apparently.


Utterly bizarre. You say you won't tolerate sin, while supporting one of the most sinful, hedonistic, and unrepentant people to ever seek the Presidency.


No, they're anti-justice. They believe Trump should be as a king, above the law. They believe holding Trump accountable for his crimes is "persecution" rather than justice. They want to see the people who assaulted police and were convicted of seditious conspiracy against the United States freed. They want to defund the federal police.

Stepping into Christian pro-Trump world truly is a surreal experience.
This post is exactly what I meant when I said

"The ironic thing is that all of these "Christians" think they are "fighting a spiritual warfare". But it isn't the "good fight of the faith"? There is no sharing of the faith and the fight is quite dirty, nasty and full of insults and slander." (Post #916)
 

JayBird

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This post is exactly what I meant when I said

"The ironic thing is that all of these "Christians" think they are "fighting a spiritual warfare". But it isn't the "good fight of the faith"? There is no sharing of the faith and the fight is quite dirty, nasty and full of insults and slander." (Post #916)
I appreciate your replies and advice.

Moving forward, I will do my best to not allow some of the more negative things here to affect how I post. Thanks. :)
 

Nehemiah6

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They are not preaching the gospel of grace, they are preaching the gospel of justice.
This is not entirely fair. No one is preaching the gospel of justice. Those who support Trump support good governance. And that is what God requires. That does not preclude preaching the Gospel. But those who have already chosen evil will ignore the Gospel. And if you don't think this is spiritual warfare, think again. Who wants to enslave the world and promote every evil thing other than spiritual wickedness in high places?
 

ZNP

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This is not entirely fair. No one is preaching the gospel of justice. Those who support Trump support good governance. And that is what God requires. That does not preclude preaching the Gospel. But those who have already chosen evil will ignore the Gospel. And if you don't think this is spiritual warfare, think again. Who wants to enslave the world and promote every evil thing other than spiritual wickedness in high places?
Spiritual warfare is fought not by might, nor by power but by the Lord's spirit.

If you are truly fighting the spiritual warfare then how come you are not fighting the good fight of the faith? Since when did Spiritual warfare include getting a politician elected?

You think it is a spiritual warfare and yet Trump is going to give Elon Musk, a Satanist, the job of cleaning house? The whole world lies in the evil one. That did not begin with Trump, or Biden or Obama. But if you think it doesn't apply to Trump then you are deceived.

There is no issue with someone who is politically active and concerned about various policies. But don't confuse that with preaching the gospel of grace or of fighting the spiritual warfare. That was my point. We are the Lord's witnesses, not Trumps, and not never Trumpers.

I don't have any doubt that the Biden administration has run as fast as they can to the pit. No disagreement over that. However, if you think voting for Trump will prevent judgment from coming on this country from God, that to me is absurd. Nor do I think the insults hurled about are in any way advancing the kingdom of the heavens.

Also, if the message of Trump's campaign is not "justice" then what word would you use?
 

JayBird

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This is not entirely fair. No one is preaching the gospel of justice. Those who support Trump support good governance. And that is what God requires. That does not preclude preaching the Gospel. But those who have already chosen evil will ignore the Gospel. And if you don't think this is spiritual warfare, think again. Who wants to enslave the world and promote every evil thing other than spiritual wickedness in high places?
Mark 10

17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’[d]”

20 “Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
 

ZNP

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Neither Kamala Harris nor Donald Trump is in charge or will be in charge. Jesus Christ is in charge and all things are working together for good to those that love God. The goal of this age is not that the US would be prosperous, it is that billions of people would come to the Lord and received Jesus' redemption. Everything is working towards that goal. Bankruptcy, fires, floods, immigrants taking jobs, crime skyrocketing, inflation, all that works together to get people to repent and turn to Jesus.