Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

[ZNP]

I don't think you do. A "black job" or "getting paid under the table" means a dirty job or a low level job. So by saying that to black people, some interpreted it as "these are the jobs that blacks are supposed to do".
Did you say you were an English teacher?

No I was not an english teacher. Please give me the reference from a reputable dictionary and not some absurd online slang dictionary. Thanks

 

[Eli1]

No I was not an english teacher. Please give me the reference from a reputable dictionary and not some absurd online slang dictionary. Thanks

Okay so now i see that you're a bit off the main path because unless you live in a region where they speak English with a different dialect completly isolated from the rest of the country then yeah you might have not heard the term "black jobs" or "getting paid under the table".

Okay have fun in America season 12.

 

[ZNP]

Really? So jobs now identify as being Black? If a transgender does a job, is that job now a "transgender job" using your logic? In your other post you said "Personally I agree with Morgan Freeman, stop talking about race and that starts with associations like BLM and NABJ." But you're actually outwoking the woke people because now jobs identify as "Black" which can then be extrapolated as a job potentially being a "transgender job". That's madness!

It is not my logic! What is wrong with you all. It is the logic of those who named the National Association of Black Journalists, the people who were interviewing Trump. It is their logic. Journalist is a job. Identifying "black journalists" as a special group is by definition naming those jobs "black jobs" and that is also what laws requiring companies with over 100 employees do as well.

This is what quotas do.

 

[ZNP]

Okay so now i see that you're a bit off the main path because unless you live in a region where they speak English with a different dialect complete isolated from the rest of the country then yeah you might have not heard the term "black jobs" or "getting paid under the table".

Okay have fun in America season 12.

Got it, so you have no link, no reference to back up your insulting rhetoric.

 

[HeIsHere]

Yeah that's how i understood it too but his choice of words is always entertaining and some didn't understand it as that.

He should have taken race right out of it, but instead he played right into the race baiting, and thought he could pander to the audience.
Epic fail.

 

[Tamarisk]

I am not an interpreter for Trump anymore than I was willing to be an interpreter for Biden or Harris when they say things that are unintelligible.

What I will say is how I understood what he was saying. There are 45 million illegals in this country (that is a conservative estimate and only half of them came over during Biden's administration, so he is not to blame for all of them). I think we can all assume that for the majority of them they have to find work to support themselves. Yes there are probably a very small minority that are involved with cartels and some kind of illegal occupation, but let's focus on all the hard working ones trying to support themselves. Since they are illegal they probably work for cash, don't pay taxes and yet still get a variety of benefits including living in shelters and eating at soup kitchens. We can assume they are not taking white collar jobs nor are they living in wealthy suburbs. So they are using resources in poorer neighborhoods. I was a teacher and having a number of poor kids who didn't speak english definitely has an impact on the quality of education every student in that school gets. Now we had 400 students and only 2 were white. Growing up I went to school in a wealthy suburb and just about every student was white. So if we can be honest the impact of the illegal immigrants impacts poorer inner city neighborhoods quite differently than it does wealthy suburbs. In the wealthy suburbs they will hire day laborers and nannys and other workers on a per day cash basis, so the illegal immigrants makes life less expensive in the wealthy suburbs while taking away resources and services in the poorer inner city neighborhoods.

So to answer the question "what is a black job" it is a reference to the fact that 45 million people are trying to do jobs that do not require a college education and they are taking those jobs away from American citizens. Why would Trump refer to those jobs as "black jobs" when no doubt you can find people of every race and ethnicity doing manual labor. I thought he said that because he was speaking to "black journalists" and assumed that "black journalists" were concerned about "black jobs". Perhaps "black journalists" are also concerned about white jobs and latino jobs and asian jobs, but if so then it is strange to me they would call themselves an association of black journalists.

It reminds me of the dust up over "Black lives matter" because of its racists insinuations. The name implies that to cops Black lives are less important than other races (when in fact statistically it was shown cops are significantly less likely to shoot a black person that is presenting the same perceived threat as other races). Then they got offended with people who said "All lives matter" which to me was further proof that this name did insinuate racists attitudes and they got offended at those who said "Blue lives matter" even though it was clear a cop was far more likely to be shot and killed on the job than an innocent black person was.

Personally I agree with Morgan Freeman, stop talking about race and that starts with associations like BLM and NABJ.

You can’t just claim thier is 45 million illegals in the US without backing that claim up with data.

I provided data to the contrary now you have to correct your numbers or provide proof for your claim as well as discredit the pew research centers findings.

 

[Eli1]

Got it, so you have no link, no reference to back up your insulting rhetoric.

You're oblivious to a lot of your insults but you're forgiven because you're entertaining.

 

[ZNP]

According to the Oxford English Dictionary the last recorded usage for "black job" was 1870, the term is obsolete and so I highly doubt that is a plausible interpretation for what Trump was saying and instead feel my understanding is far more plausible that he said that because he was speaking to the NABJ

 

[HeIsHere]

"these are the jobs that blacks are supposed to do".

Yup.

 

[HeIsHere]

Okay have fun in America season 12.

I hope there is one.

 

[Smoke]

The definition he gave was any job that a black person does, not "any job that only black people do". So there is no contradiction. Just because we had a black man as president does not mean that henceforth only black men should be president.

He didn't say that though. Go back to the original post, I quoted verbatim. "A Black job is anybody that has a job." I don't mean to be bombastic, but words matter. "Anybody" is all inclusive, meaning it's not explicitly referring to "Black people". Also, the position of POTUS is a job. By Trump's own definition, Biden is currently holding a "Black job".

 

[PennEd]

What IS a "Black job" though?

A black job is one that a black person holds.

Pure and simple.

So if you are addressing an entirely black audience, desiring to know what good is the candidate going to do for the black community, then you talj about black jobs.

I don't understand why that's so hard to get.

 

[ZNP]

You can’t just claim thier is 45 million illegals in the US without backing that claim up with data.

I provided data to the contrary now you have to correct your numbers or provide proof for your claim as well as discredit the pew research centers findings.

All you gotta do is ask:

💥REP CLAY HIGGINS ABOUT THE PLAN TO DEPORT 45 MILLION ILLEGALS(5MINS)💥.

https://rumble.com/v4wg2yn-rep-clay-higgins-about-the-plan-to-deport-45-million-illegals5mins..html

45 Million Illegals Invaders.

https://rumble.com/v4p4wbb-45-million-illegals-invaders..html

How Will Donald Trump Remove so Many Illegal Aliens? Fireworks and Drama soon

https://rumble.com/v59hoq5-how-will...y-illegal-aliens-fireworks-and-drama-soo.html

Record 44.5 Million Immigrants in 2017
Non-Mexico Latin American, Asian, and African populations grew most

https://cis.org/Report/Record-445-Million-Immigrants-2017

(This was census data that included both legal and illegal. Most valid estimates put 20 million illegals coming in during Biden's administration if you include the gottaways with about 25 million illegals in the country when Biden took office)

 

[HeIsHere]

He didn't say that though. Go back to the original post, I quoted verbatim. "A Black job is anybody that has a job." I don't mean to be bombastic, but words matter. "Anybody" is all inclusive, meaning it's not explicitly referring to "Black people". Also, the position of POTUS is a job. By Trump's own definition, Biden is currently holding a "Black job".

This is pretty funny!!

I think @Eli1 is right, so entertaining, wow!

 

[ZNP]

He didn't say that though. Go back to the original post, I quoted verbatim. "A Black job is anybody that has a job." I don't mean to be bombastic, but words matter. "Anybody" is all inclusive, meaning it's not explicitly referring to "Black people". Also, the position of POTUS is a job. By Trump's own definition, Biden is currently holding a "Black job".

So then what is the problem?

This is why I don't interpret for Biden, Trump or Harris. You can't translate what they say word for word, you have to guesstimate what they were saying.

I have said repeatedly, I am not claiming to tell others what Trump said or meant, I am simply saying how I understood it. Your explanation makes no sense at all to me, my understanding made sense to me at the time and even after all this scrutiny.

 

[ZNP]

This is pretty funny!!

I think @Eli1 is right, so entertaining, wow!

He already told us that beneath that mask he is really a black woman.

 

[Jimbone]

Can someone who thinks this makes sense and thinks it's not using the race card for a political advantage expand on this? Does that mean every working American has a "Black job" by his definition?

I am for LEGAL immigration only. Having said that, I have been told how homicidal these illegal immigrants are for years. When someone gave me a study showing illegal immigrants are 44.8% LESS likely to commit homicide than a native-born American, I had my doubts and wanted to fact-check it. Upon looking at the data by the Cato Institute, I was quite surprised that my original perception doesn't match actual data. This doesn't mean I'm for open boarders, but I'm realizing I was force-fed race-baiting arguments, which aren't even accurate.

I don't want this to be a "but what about Kamala and/or the left..." derailment. So, I ask that you stay engaged on this OP and feel free to make a new thread addressing the "so-and-so" on the left you want to blast. In other words, I don't want this thread obfuscated please. Most of us here aren't in alignment with them. Discuss if you think Trump is or isn't using the race card, if you're surprised and/or agree by the data which illustrates illegal immigrants are 44.8% less likely to commit homicide, etc...

No I think it is completely backwards. I think the Democrat party is using race to garner power just like they ALWAYS have.
Trump is not racist and anyone that thinks he is, in my opinion has fallen for the racist Democrats trap. How is it that Trump can walk into this place, be asked 15 attack "got you" type questions in a row rapid fire style, all about race or racism, then he answers the race question using race in the answer, and everyone losses their minds at his supposed "racism". Just stop being blind and dumb people. The Democrats are now and have always been the racist party. EVERYTHING they talk about has to do with race, everything in their world has to do with race, yet Trump is the racist? Just stupid, and a person has to be stupid, in the cult, or so ignorant of history, politics, the basic nature of right and wrong, current events, and "the system" to buy into this kind of garbage. Trump went into the Lions Den at the NABJ to reach out to black people and talk directly to them, speaks about "black jobs", something they ALL do on a daily basis, it's the "National Association of Black Journalists" for heavens sake. He goes to this and mentions "black jobs" and that makes HIM racist? And he went to a black event to speak to the black community, they only get offended because they're looking to be offended. The fact you seriously bring this up expose's you've been in the Kool-Aid yourself and should maybe think a little more deeply about these things and get off the mainstream media for your facts as much as you do in order to buy into this stupid garbage.

We have got to think better than this, it's honestly baffling to me that people can buy into this Trump deranged death/sex cult the Democrat parties propaganda still. Wake up.

 

[Mem]

I think his response was loaded with sarcasm in answer to a loaded question. He would've done better to lose the black descriptive, even if he was addressing that specific audience, rather than provide the spinners with any ammo.

As far as there being a shortage of unskilled jobs due to illegal immigrants taking them, that is anything BUT true. If you are up-to-date on employment in the US, there is actually a HUGE labor shortage going on. This is more misinformation. I would advise looking into the labor shortages.

Ok, you look up the stats that support your view and here's an excerpt from one that supports my argument written by Newsweek Aug10, '23:

Which States Are Most Affected?
The 13 states most affected by labor shortages, according to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, are Alabama, Arkansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Utah and Vermont.

Given, I don't know the extent of which these states have been affected by illegal immigration, California, New York, Illinois is conspicuously missing from this list.

To expand briefly on a possible reason why I think there is such a great labor shortage is that the US (and most other developed countries for that matter) has had a decrease birth rate and is continuing to trend in that direction. I also blame feminism for why there is a decreased birth rate. If the trend continues, we are going to have to outsource more employees from other less developed nations (they ought to be legal though).

I agree that the 'empowerment of woman's choice' has had adverse effects on the nation's population with the choice being presented in a manner that a pregnancy is the problem that needs solved, when the root problem is actually her initial choice in the men which she indiscriminately allows access to her body. But that goes both ways in regard to men, so I blame the national population as a whole being concerned aspiring to neither be mothers nor provisional protective fathers.
I don't think immigration is the actual issue, properly vetted.

 

[ZNP]

You're oblivious to a lot of your insults but you're forgiven because you're entertaining.

If I have said something that offended you then by all means let me know. Point out the post to me.

 

[Smoke]

You are asking me to be a spokesperson for Trump, I am not. I cannot tell you what he meant, I can tell you how I understood what he said.

My understanding was this. He is talking to the National Association of Black Journalists, he assumed they were concerned about issues involving the Black community, hence he focused on how this was impacting the Black community. It is taking your jobs.

If it had been the National Association of Native American Journalists, or the National Association of Hispanic Journalists, or the National Association of Asian journalists he would have told them it was taking their jobs as well.

I have a master's degree and was a "Professional", what was considered a white collar job. But despite that growing up I worked doing yard work, I worked as a baby sitter, I worked in a fast food restaurant, I worked in construction and I did other manual labor. Just because someone is doing white collar work doesn't mean their kids aren't having their jobs taken or their cousins, or their friends, or their neighbors. I think people have become whiny little thin skinned weasels. Personally I do not know anyone who would be offended by this, so I think these little weasels work in the MSM trying to find things to be offended about. When I hear the term "black job" I think of the NBA, why didn't anyone point out that these immigrants are coming over here to play professional sports?

No sir, I'm asking you to post a video, or timestamp the one in the OP and show me where Trump says "A Black job is any Black person with a job."

You keep making this about people being offended by the term "Black jobs", when really, it's about the definition he gave... not the one you wish he gave.

Is it your belief that Trump only wanted to mention illegal immigrants taking the jobs of Black people because he was talking to a crowd of Black people? If so, wouldn't it have been less ignorant to say illegal immigrants are taking American jobs as opposed to "Black jobs" and then define "Black jobs" as "anybody with a job"? Can you be as objective as you possibly can and answer?