Does the Last Day include the whole millennium?

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Yes, the seven feasts are definitely rich with prophetic meaning. But I would say that for the Day of Atonement, both goats represent Christ. He died and He also took our sins far away. I don't think Satan is the scapegoat.

As for the feast of Tabernacles, yes, it seems to represent the Millennium, as we see this celebrated in Zechariah 14:16.

But Paul also said this:

Colossians 2:16 (ESV) Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
OK. if both goats represent Christ, explain how he was led away into the wilderness by the hand of a fit man...

Lev 16:10 But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.
Lev 16:21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:
Lev 16:22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.

This goat represents Satan who bears the responsibility for introducing sin in the garden and deceiving mankind leading them in to sin and death.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Jesus Christ DIED for our sins to pay the penalty of death for sin.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The Azazel goat (scapegoat) was turned out into the wilderness alive. The scriptures plainly show that Christ died for our sins. Yes, the Azazel is the pictures the Devil being cast into the bottomless pit.
 
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You have to consider the audience and the age. The last day for the age of Adam was the flood.

The last day for the Jews and the law was somewhere around 70 AD.
OK, so you are saying that Jesus was talking about two different last days in John 6:40 and John 12:48?

The Jews are still alive and the Law of Moses is still in force for the Jews. When Babylon captured Jerusalem in 587 BC, that didn't end the Jews or the Law, and neither did AD 70. The Law only ends when we die to the Law with Christ (Romans 7:4, 6)
 

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There are a lot of last days.

There is the last day of the church age. The last day of the great tribulation. The last day before the thousand year age begins. The last day of the thousand year age. The last day of Satan's little season. The last day before the eternity begins.
 

PaulThomson

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There are a lot of last days.

There is the last day of the church age. The last day of the great tribulation. The last day before the thousand year age begins. The last day of the thousand year age. The last day of Satan's little season. The last day before the eternity begins.
Can you pleae give references for these expressions in the Bible?
 
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Can you pleae give references for these expressions in the Bible?
I wouldn't see a need for a reference of every expression, "the last day". What does the last day mean? If you are referencing the whole Bible, then the last day would have to be after the millennium, or chapter 22, would it not? There are many ages portrayed in the Bible.
 

PaulThomson

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I wouldn't see a need for a reference of every expression, "the last day". What does the last day mean? If you are referencing the whole Bible, then the last day would have to be after the millennium, or chapter 22, would it not? There are many ages portrayed in the Bible.
IMHO, the last 1000 years of God's 7000 year long week, as others have suggested in this thread I would see a need for a reference for every expression, if I were to take your post seriously as a biblical notion.
 

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Thanks for your detailed reply. I'm guessing that you mean that Revelation 21:1 is chronologically after the Great White Throne judgment in Revelation 20:11-15. My understanding is that just as Revelation has multiple visions that are not all chronological, this is another chronological break. For example, I think angel that showed John the New Jerusalem in Rev. 21:9 likely poured out his bowl not too long ago.


The first resurrection in Rev. 20:4 includes people who were "beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands" (Rev. 20:4 NKJV). I don't think the OT saints were beheaded for their witness to Jesus. I don't think the beast and his image were worshiped before Jesus' death and resurrection. Many saints arose, but was it 1) all the OT saints? 2) did they resurrect like Lazarus and die later? Daniel Chapter 12 seems to put the time of resurrection loosely around the "time of trouble" (Dan. 12:1-2). Daniel himself would rest and arise to his inheritance at the end of the days (Dan. 12:13). I think the inheritance is the future kingdom of God. For these reasons, I don't think the events at Jesus' resurrection are the first resurrection in Rev. 20:4.
Yes I agree it’s several visions, I see chronology but not in a single timeline only when you begin to layer revelation with the rest of the Bible for instance several things bring me to think what I was saying for instance it says the first earth has passed away just before the new Jerusalem comes down from heaven

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then I think of what Peter said about the end of the heaven and earth but also promises a new earth just as revelation shows

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

( we know the lake of fire John sees is where the ungodly end up )

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

…..Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Then you think back to what he said through the prophets that he was going to end this world in fire because of mankind’s teansgressions and defilement

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. …..The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then you think of how God promised to create a new heaven and earth even then

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

What you begin to realize is often Gods speaking of the world to come that he promised like this place

“For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

eventually we see he’s making everything new even the people through Christ

The timeline is not coming from revelation because as you said it’s several visions that layer and are interwoven but with the other parts of the Bible that lead up to revelation there in is somewhat of an order of events not a timeline but an order of things like the new Jerusalem coming down after the first heaven and earth end in a blaze of fire


“I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven,”

to me it says that Jerusalem never comes to this current earth but comes to a new earth after this one is burned up as Peter explained in 2 Peter 3 or even as Paul touches on here

“and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction ( in the lake of fire this creation when it’s burned up ) from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:7-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m unorganized but I’m sure you see at least why I’m there in that frame of thinking . Doesn’t mean I’m right but I am convinced