Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?

[brightfame52]

Jesus said we would come to Him. So you need to understand that means you are either accepting or rejecting Him.
To come = going to
You are doing something whether you believe it or not because Jesus said you will be coming to Him and that means you will be doing something.

So its your doing that finally saved you, thats woks, exalting man over Christ !

 

[brightfame52]

Leave the fringes of universalism and strict determinism and find the great in-between where the truth lies.

Too bad you cant leave man glorifying works religion

 

[Magenta]

Jesus said we would come to Him. So you need to understand that means you are either accepting or rejecting Him.
To come = going to
You are doing something whether you believe it or not because Jesus said you will be coming to Him and that means you will be doing something.

What Jesus said was that those given to Him by God would come.

Jesus’ words in John 6 verse 65 I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them. Plus Colossians 1 verse 21 and 2 verse 13; Ephesians 2 verse 1a and 3b; Philippians 1 verse 6 and 2 verse 13

 

[Magenta]

John 6 verse 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?[/QUOTE]

Chuckle!!! that depends on which "Theological Paradigm" you choose to inflict upon it!!!

The SIN OFFERING of Jesus (Isa 53:10) is POTENTIALLY SUFFICIENT for all of humanity, however, FAITH in that sacrifice is the way into the relationship with God that provides the BOR AGAIN experience that makes us "Children of God and cleanses us from our SIN.

Our RESPONSE to the Conviction of SIN by the Holy Spirit (Eph 2:8,9) is the point at which things change.

This or that "Denominational Theology" presents their own cersion of "truth" some of which are accurate, and some of which is totally BOZO. Best course of action is to simply READ THE BIBLE, and allow the holy Spirit to bring WISDOM.

 

[lrs68]

So its your doing that finally saved you, thats woks, exalting man over Christ !

It's me believing what He said is true. I was given that knowledge but until I believed it nothing mattered

 

[lrs68]

What Jesus said was that those given to Him by God would come.

Jesus’ words in John 6 verse 65 I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them. Plus Colossians 1 verse 21 and 2 verse 13; Ephesians 2 verse 1a and 3b; Philippians 1 verse 6 and 2 verse 13

Yes they would show up because they felt they should.

 

[brightfame52]

@Bob-Carabbio

The SIN OFFERING of Jesus (Isa 53:10) is POTENTIALLY SUFFICIENT for all of humanity,

This is a horrible statement against Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

You know Jesus came to actually save His People from their sins as announced from the heavenly Angel Matt 1:20-21

20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

And we have posters posting stuff like

@Bob-Carabbio

The SIN OFFERING of Jesus (Isa 53:10) is POTENTIALLY SUFFICIENT for all of humanity,

Definition

"Potentially sufficient" means that a condition could be enough to produce a certain outcome, but it's not guaranteed. It implies that the condition is a possible sufficient condition, but other factors or conditions might also be needed for the outcome to occur.

• Sufficient Condition: A condition that, if met, guarantees the occurrence of a specific outcome.
• Potentially Sufficient: A condition that might be sufficient, but there's a chance it's not enough on its own and other factors are needed.

https://www.google.com/

 

[brightfame52]

It's me believing what He said is true. I was given that knowledge but until I believed it nothing mattered

So its your doing that finally saved you, thats woks, exalting man over Christ !

 

[Inquisitor]

Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

No by no means does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all without exception, just because the word all is used. In fact, to the spiritually discerning it teaches the contrary, it teaches the limited atonement, or that Christ did not die for all men without exception, simply because the all men here that Justification of life came upon is limited to only some men, so the word all can only apply to all that received upon them Justification of life.

For its clear from other scripture that all men without exception are Justified before God, for instance Matt 5:45

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Acts 24:15

And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

1 Cor 6:1

Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

2 Pet 2:9

9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Rev 22:11

11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Now the word unjust does mean being found guilty before God, in Gods court of law,

describes being found guilty in God's court of law, i.e. as a binding, legal infraction against His law which calls for divine retribution,
unjust, unrighteous, wicked.of one who breaks God's laws, unrighteous, sinful,

So basically its one God reckons guilty before Him as a law beaker.

So your saying God's hates humanity and condemns the vast majority of humanity, to eternal damnation.

The Lord condemned some of your family and most of your relatives, before they were even born.

God created humanity to ultimately condemn humanity forever!

 

[lrs68]

So its your doing that finally saved you, thats woks, exalting man over Christ !

You must struggle with the English language to make the post I have quoted because the 2 or 3 posts before shows the WORDS OF JESUS that YOU ARE TRYING TO IGNORE!!

 

[brightfame52]

So your saying God's hates humanity and condemns the vast majority of humanity, to eternal damnation.

The Lord condemned some of your family and most of your relatives, before they were even born.

God created humanity to ultimately condemn humanity forever!

Im saying what my post said.

 

[brightfame52]

You must struggle with the English language to make the post I have quoted because the 2 or 3 posts before shows the WORDS OF JESUS that YOU ARE TRYING TO IGNORE!!

So its your doing that finally saved you, thats woks, exalting man over Christ !

 

[lrs68]

So its your doing that finally saved you, thats woks, exalting man over Christ !

No matter how many times you post the same thing doesn't change that EVERYONE KNOWS you choose to ignore what God said.

 

[sawdust]

Are we commanded to believe?

What does that have to do with Christ not being able to pay the price of rejecting Him? How can He spend eternity in the Lake of Fire (price of denial) and be the Saviour at the same time?

 

[sawdust]

@sawdust



Yes it is, that's why the elect who Christ died for are reconciled to God even while they are unbelieving enemies towards God Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we[believers] were enemies[unbelievers], we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

If unbelief wasn't paid for for them, no way are they reconciled to God. The non elect are under condemnation and wrath as unbelievers Jn 3:18,36

So there is a noted difference.

The price for rejecting Christ is the lake of Fire, not spiritual and physical death. It is eternal gaol time. Christ can't make that payment and be Saviour.

There is a difference between being an unbeliever because one is born spiritually dead with a sin nature and permanently rejecting the One and Only after being shown the truth.

 

[brightfame52]

No matter how many times you post the same thing doesn't change that EVERYONE KNOWS you choose to ignore what God said.

Im going to keep on posting it because you keep on believing it.

 

[brightfame52]

The price for rejecting Christ is the lake of Fire, not spiritual and physical death. It is eternal gaol time. Christ can't make that payment and be Saviour.

There is a difference between being an unbeliever because one is born spiritually dead with a sin nature and permanently rejecting the One and Only after being shown the truth.

No unbeliever Christ died for will ever go into the lake of fire, Christ took care of that price for them. However all sinners Christ died for will eventually believe in Him because He gives them Faith to believe in Him

 

[sawdust]

If Jesus did everything to save you, why must you do something before you are saved ? Evidently all that Jesus did, didnt save you still

You heard the Gospel didn't you? You did that didn't you? Every believer does something. You make it sound like we go to bed an unbeliever and wake up a believer.

There are things we need to do, doesn't mean those actions are what saves us. It is the determination of God to save believers that is what saves.