Does man have a freewill ?

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Magenta

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from Ephesians 4 verses 17-19 ~ Gentiles walk in the futility of their thinking. They are darkened in their understanding and alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardness of their hearts. Having lost all sense of shame, they have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity, with a craving for more.
 

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Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. Stand firm, then, and do not be encumbered once more by a yoke of slavery. For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death. Now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the outcome is eternal life. 2 Corinthians 3 verse 17; Galatians 5 verse 1; Romans 8 verse 2; from Romans 6 verse 22
 

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Discussion is pointless if you are unwilling (Matt. 23:37) to acknowledge that Paul answered the jailer's question
about how to be saved by saying "Believe in the Lord Jesus".
When you make something a requirement in salvation, that's by default a law based salvation, as like under the old covenant. Paul was a New Covenant Minister 2 Cor 3:5-6

5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Now you promoting the letter with your requirements.
 

brightfame52

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rolleyes ... complete and utter nonsense.





Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.





God has given faith to all mankind ... faith is inherent within all descendants of Adam ... some believe lies and reject God Who has given everything mankind needs in order to come to Him ... like the lie that "Belief in Christ isnt a requirement for salvation".

What we are told in Philippians 1:29 is that just as God provided everything we need in order to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, God shall supply everything we need in order to remain steadfast and not be terrified by [our] adversaries (Phil 1:28) so we are able to withstand when we suffer for His sake (Phil 1:29):

Philippians 1:

27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

28 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake

while we suffer for His sake (Phil 1:29), we are not to be terrified by [our] adversaries (Phil 1:28) because God has given us everything we need to stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel (Phil 1:27).





why go back to Acts 13:48 in your reading of Acts 16? ... just continue reading in Acts 16:

Acts 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
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Believing in Christ is given to the elect, the Sheep, not all mankind. Its not a requirement. Its given by grace. The word given in Phil 1:29 is the greek word charizomai :

to do something pleasant or agreeable (to one), to do a favour to, gratify

  1. to show one's self gracious, kind, benevolent
  2. to grant forgiveness, to pardon
  3. to give graciously, give freely, bestow
    1. to forgive
Believing in Christ is bestowed upon an individual by Grace. And charizomai is from charis , which is Grace. You cant make a Gift of Grace a requirement, that's perverting Salvation by Grace and making it a work

And yes it appears God gave the same grace to believe to members of his home.
 
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you have described the time and effort you put into each of your panels. I work with various computer applications and I can appreciate the investment of time, resources, effort, revisions/edits to get it "just right" ... the "kike the pretender you are" is uncalled for.




praying for Holy Spirit inspiration to get you through ...




sigh ... I searched to see how many times I rolled my eyes at you. Here they are:








and fyi, the reason I type out "rolleyes" is because the smilie doesn't always work for me and it appears wonky in the post.




you are free to place me on ignore
you are free to continue to believe I lied about what you said
you are free to continue to believe I am a pretentious hypocrite


praying that God will work mightily in the Christian Chat forum to restore fellowship between the members of the body of Christ ... of which the Lord Jesus Christ is the Head.

1 Corinthians 12:

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

14 For the body is not one member, but many.

15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?

18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?

20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.

21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee ...
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Join the club of being put on ignore and being called a liar and other names.

I join your prayer group re spiritual unity on CC!
 
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When you make something a requirement in salvation, that's by default a law based salvation, as like under the old covenant. Paul was a New Covenant Minister 2 Cor 3:5-6

5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Now you promoting the letter with your requirements.
No, the condition of faith is NOT law-based salvation nor a meritorious work,
just as someone who accepts your gift does not thereby earn it.
The sufficiency you affirm is what I call seeking grace,
and what Paul refers to as God's leading in Romans,
which enables sinners to seek salvation or not.


1. Romans 1:16 says the Gospel reveals that (s/e) is for “everyone who believes”, both Jew and Gentile.

2. Romans 1:17 describes s/e as “righteousness from God” that is by faith “from first to last” or from creation until the end.

3. Romans 2:4 teaches that God’s kindness or patience with sinners is meant to lead them toward repentance, which implies that sinners are able to repent because of God’s leading.

4. Romans 2:5 warns that those who do not repent but instead stubbornly resist God’s leading are storing up wrath against themselves for the day when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed, which implies that God enables sinners to repent–or not (cf. Deut. 30:19).

5. Romans 2:6 affirms what is called karma by saying that “God will give to each person according to what he has done”, which (in Gal. 6:7-9) is called reaping what a person sows.

6. Romans 2:7 speaks of the need for “persistence in doing good” and seeking glory, honor and immortality in order to receive s/e or eternal life, which echoes what Jesus commanded (in Matt. 7:7) and connects with the doctrine of perseverance (cf. Heb. 10:36 & Jam. 1:3-4).

7. Romans 2:11 teaches that “God does not show favoritism” (cf. Eph. 6:9, Col. 3:25, 1Pet. 1:17), which is how God judges people justly, so the fact that some sinners ignore God’s Gospel indicates that His will or leading is resistible because of MFW.

8. Romans 2:15 teaches that sinful souls have a conscience or awareness of “the requirements of the law”, which may be combined with Romans 1:20 to teach that God’s power and moral nature or will may be perceived via creation and conscience (called natural revelation), thus those unfamiliar with God’s Word in Scripture have no good reason for resisting divine leading and choosing atheism/evil.

9. Romans 3:20-21 states the law makes souls conscious of sin and that “the Law and Prophets testify” or prepare the way for the new revelation of righteousness from God apart from the Law, which takes up where Romans 1:17 left off.

10. Romans 3:22a says that “righteousness from God” or s/e comes through faith “in Jesus Christ” (cf. Eph. 2:8), a phrase Paul used eleven times in Ephesians 1:3-14 to indicate s/e.

11. Romans 3:22b says that God’s righteousness is given “to all who believe—there is no difference”” signifying that all sinners may believe or be s/e (cf. 1Tim. 2:3-4, John 3:16, Tit. 2:11), because there is no favoritism (#7).

12. Romans 3:23 teaches that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”, meaning that no one can be good enough to earn salvation because of their own merit.

13. Romans 3:24 says sinners “are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus” (via faith per v.22, cf. 3:27-28); s/e is free because Christ paid the price/cost.

14. Romans 3:25a explains redemption as being “a sacrifice of atonement” for those who have faith in Christ’s work of dying in their place.

15. Romans 3:25b further explains that God demonstrated his just patience (#3) or forbearance in leaving unpunished those sins committed before the revealing of the Gospel (foreshadowed in Gen. 22:8 & 13), implying that sinners had/have the opportunity to believe and be s/e thereby demonstrating God’s justice/not showing favoritism (#11).

16. Romans 3:26 continues to emphasize divine justice by declaring it three ways (“justice…, just…, justifies”), which justness is synonymous with righteousness (2Thes. 1:5-6, Heb. 6:10).

17. Romans 4:1-25 presents Abraham as a Gentile who became the physical father of the Jews and the spiritual father of all who choose to have faith in God/Christ.

18. Romans 5:1 echoes Eph. 2:8 by describing s/e as justification through faith, Eph. 1:5 & 7 by using the phrase “through Jesus Christ”, and Eph. 2:14 by describing s/e as having peace with God.
 
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You cant make a Gift of Grace a requirement, that's perverting Salvation by Grace and making it a work
Philippians 1:29 is not speaking of believing unto salvation. Philippians 1:29 is speaking of the unceasing grace which God bestows upon the born again one so that he or she is enabled to continue on in faith in the Lord Jesus Christ as he or she faces the suffering for His sake.

Look at the beginning verses of Philippians 1:

Philippians 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons

Paul wrote to the saints in Christ Jesus ... these are born again believers.


Philippians 1:3-6 I thank my God upon every remembrance of you, Always in every prayer of mine for you all making request with joy, For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now; Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ

Paul prayed for their fellowship in the gospel ... unbelievers do not fellowship in the gospel ...


Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

unbelievers are not filled with the fruits of righteousness


Philippians 1:27-28 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel; And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.

unbelievers do not stand fast in one spirit, with one mind, striving together for the faith of the gospel


Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake

God continues to pour out His grace upon the born again believer throughout his or her lifetime so that the believer is able to stand firm in the face of our adversaries ... not terrified by them, but firmly confident in God's provision for each one of us in the Lord Jesus Christ. It is only in Him that we are victorious over any adversity we face ... without Him we can do nothing.

Philippians 1:29 reminds me of what is written in Rom 1:17 ... the just shall live by faith ... the life of the believer is begun in faith and continues in faith. It's not from works to faith or from faith to works, but from faith to faith.
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What does make me chuckle is even though the LAW was personally handed to Moshe by God, the LAW accounts and applies to [(all human beings that have ever existed)]. So whether by natural birth one is a Jew or Gentile they [(ALL)] are still held accountable to the LAW. And God even instructed Moshe that if anyone wanted to join to accept them and they must live according to the LAW.

But somehow, with a God that [[((NEVER CHANGES))]] people have taken the words of Paul and now have turned them from God's view towards ALL HUMANS to just a select few. But they want anyone who can understand that God never changes to believe that He did change. It's the only way that doctrine can exist.
 

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Yes, as Paul and Silas told the Philippian jailer: “Believe in the Lord Jesus.” (Acts 16:31) This is the Gospel kerygma (preaching) or God's requirement for salvation (GRFS) in a nutshell.
Belief in Christ isn't a requirement for salvation, and that's not what Paul said in Acts 6:31 Paul knew that believing on Christ was given to Gods elect, he later wrote to the Philippians that believing on Christ was something given Phil 1:29

For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

So you think he would have told that Philippian jailor, hey believe on Christ, that's a requirement for salvation.

No, Paul went on and taught the Jailor the word of God, and led him to believe in Christ Acts 16:32

And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

And as Paul spoke to them the word of the Lord, he knew that if they had been appointed to eternal life they would believe Acts 13:48

And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Now to say Paul imposes a requirement to the Jailor is not in the text, you cant require a person to do something, which is given as a gift of grace.
 

brightfame52

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No, the condition of faith is NOT law-based salvation nor a meritorious work,
Yes it is, you pervert it to be a condition. Its not a condition its a benefit given in Salvation.
 
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What does make me chuckle is even though the LAW was personally handed to Moshe by God, the LAW accounts and applies to [(all human beings that have ever existed)]. So whether by natural birth one is a Jew or Gentile they [(ALL)] are still held accountable to the LAW. And God even instructed Moshe that if anyone wanted to join to accept them and they must live according to the LAW.

But somehow, with a God that [[((NEVER CHANGES))]] people have taken the words of Paul and now have turned them from God's view towards ALL HUMANS to just a select few. But they want anyone who can understand that God never changes to believe that He did change. It's the only way that doctrine can exist.
Yes, God never changes, but human understanding of GW varies.
The Mosaic Law that Paul understood to apply to all including Gentiles eternally is the moral law of love (Gal. 5:6, 16 & 22).
 

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is not speaking of believing unto salvation. Philippians 1:29 is speaking of the unceasing grace which God bestows upon the born again one so that he or she is enabled to continue on in faith in the Lord Jesus Christ as he or she faces the suffering for His sake.
Faith/Believing on Christ is not a condition, its a Gracious bestowal given in Salvation. You guys pervert Faith from being a grace given and making it a mans condition to get saved.