Does man have a freewill ?
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Given that all creation displays God's qualities, you would have to take man out of creation for him to NOT be subject to the "activity of God".
"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."
So, to be precise, all men born into the world are within the activity of God. This is why none have an excuse.
Because this is true, this is why the Romans passage goes quickly into the exchange of "the truth about God for a lie" and the subsequent condition derived from that choice.
Creation is the "activity of God" that He asserts upon all men. Most resist Him.
"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."
So, to be precise, all men born into the world are within the activity of God. This is why none have an excuse.
Because this is true, this is why the Romans passage goes quickly into the exchange of "the truth about God for a lie" and the subsequent condition derived from that choice.
Creation is the "activity of God" that He asserts upon all men. Most resist Him.
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this is horrific this is why I HATE and despise fatlistic thinking, it thinks God takes pleasure in sendint people to hell
Psalm 5:4
For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness, Nor shall evil dwell with You.
Ezekiel 18:21-23
21 “But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22 None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; because of the righteousness which he has done, he shall live. 23 Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?
Ezekiel 18:32
For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies,” says the Lord God. “Therefore turn and live!”
Ezekiel 33:11
Say to them: ‘As I live,’ says the Lord God, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?’
scripture does not agree with you
why do you bare false wiotness. It is not about man, it is about God and his will. and his pleasure.
then God is evil
sorry bro. But you just said it Evil is Gods fault. we have no fault of our own, we did what God wanted us to do.
ps. Then if God is a Just God. he will send no one to hell. because they did what he desired.
Psalm 5:4
For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness, Nor shall evil dwell with You.
Ezekiel 18:21-23
21 “But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22 None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; because of the righteousness which he has done, he shall live. 23 Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?
Ezekiel 18:32
For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies,” says the Lord God. “Therefore turn and live!”
Ezekiel 33:11
Say to them: ‘As I live,’ says the Lord God, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?’
scripture does not agree with you
why do you bare false wiotness. It is not about man, it is about God and his will. and his pleasure.
then God is evil
sorry bro. But you just said it Evil is Gods fault. we have no fault of our own, we did what God wanted us to do.
ps. Then if God is a Just God. he will send no one to hell. because they did what he desired.
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It was only one question, its on post 183.
Here it is:
Are the people that God called to respond aware that God is doing this (such as yourself) or can they be under the impression that they had something to do with the decision to respond such as in the Matrix movies?
I look forward to answering your question of post 186.
Here it is:
Are the people that God called to respond aware that God is doing this (such as yourself) or can they be under the impression that they had something to do with the decision to respond such as in the Matrix movies?
I look forward to answering your question of post 186.
No it was not.
God continued to call people to chose..
if they have no free will. they can not chose.
[/quote]Man became slave to his sinful nature.
This is what God does in salvation. Jesus sets us free.[/QUOTE]
this does not mean God can not show them the truth (actually romans 1 says they know the truth, and God does not hide it from them,. they hide it themselves. making for themselves new God. who will not judge them
sorry brother. But your thinking is flawed. your worried about faith. I do not know why. My faith is in God. not self..
My faith can not save me, Only God can,
but he will not force me to recieve his love
God continued to call people to chose..
if they have no free will. they can not chose.
[/quote]Man became slave to his sinful nature.
This is what God does in salvation. Jesus sets us free.[/QUOTE]
this does not mean God can not show them the truth (actually romans 1 says they know the truth, and God does not hide it from them,. they hide it themselves. making for themselves new God. who will not judge them
sorry brother. But your thinking is flawed. your worried about faith. I do not know why. My faith is in God. not self..
My faith can not save me, Only God can,
but he will not force me to recieve his love
If you wish to ask something, at least quote the entire sentence that you are asking about!
I posted the following question: How can we have an entirely freewill, yet God prevent us from doing something?
This seems like a reasonable question to me.
I realize that we will to do something based on the desires of our heart. But when God steps in and changes the desire of our heart, then our will to take a certain action is also modified.
That was my point!
I posted the following question: How can we have an entirely freewill, yet God prevent us from doing something?
This seems like a reasonable question to me.
I realize that we will to do something based on the desires of our heart. But when God steps in and changes the desire of our heart, then our will to take a certain action is also modified.
That was my point!
There were 6 others Scriptural truths listed after being a slave to sin and there are others as well... verses which routinely get ignored, contradicted, and outright denied. The will to choose God is the crux of the issue. The natural man possesses no such will ... only the spiritual man, but people mistakenly ascribe to the former what only the latter is capable of doing. And that is why it gets discussed ad infinitem... Plus we have those who say such things as God enabling people makes God an unjust tyrannical monster kidnapping people against their will. Don't ask me where they get off saying such things because honestly it's kind of ridiculous the things that people say.
Gods choosey like that.
"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."
"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."