Does God Sever Fellowship With Us When We Sin?

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JGIG said:
Guys, ignore it or report it.

The above poster is baiting.

This thread is a great topic and folks are discussing with civility.
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No, it's not baiting at all. It gets right to the heart of the issue. Ben responded to me, and I think I have a right to respond as I see it. I didn't seek him out to bait; he responded to me. I think you're trying to stir up trouble to shut down amicable discussion.
 
Budman said:
I've heard this repeated time and again. While we won't lose salvation when we sin, God will, however, break fellowship with us until we "repent" and stop sinning.

My question is this: How many times a day does God cease fellowship with us? Since we sin many times a day (if you're honest, you know this is true) does that mean we have fellowship, lose it, have it back, lose it again, get it back, all day long etc., ad nauseam?

And please don't bring up the old "pattern" of sin thing. As we indeed sin every day, day after day, week after week, etc. we all have such a pattern.

Do any believe we lose fellowship with God when we sin?

If so, why?
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We fellowship only when we walk in the light as Jesus walks in the light.

That is, that fellowship with God is based on faith in God. Sin casts down faith unless a man keeps faith. To keep faith a man is required to do as the Spirit leads. So, if a man’s conscience condemns him then he must deal with the condemnation by faithfulness to what is written of God.

Does this mean a man struggles continuously? I think that will be the case until a man becomes steadfast in their faith in Jesus. Until they become steadfast they are doomed to their faltering faith and all its consequences.

Nevertheless, a man is saved by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus. So, a man cast down by sin has trouble for sure. But all is not lost if he keep faith with Jesus.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
No, it's not baiting at all. It gets right to the heart of the issue. Ben responded to me, and I think I have a right to respond as I see it. I didn't seek him out to bait; he responded to me. I think you're trying to stir up trouble to shut down amicable discussion.
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Originally Posted by HeRoseFromTheDead
Believers are unrighteous by nature, but they do not live in sin. They live in the awareness that they are unrighteous, yet are clothed with righteousness, and repent and acknowledge sin when they commit it.​

I didn't say ignore ⬆. Discuss! Maybe use some contextual Scripture to support your assertions. Romans 5 and 1 Cor. 5 clearly contradict what you say above, and not one Scripture comes to mind that says that believers are unrighteous.




I said to ignore or report ⬇. What you say below IS baiting, and is an attempt to do what you accuse me of doing: stir up trouble to shut down amicable discussion.


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Originally Posted by HeRoseFromTheDead
It should sound completely backwards to those who've been indoctrinated in hyper-grace doctrine.​




-JGIG
 
joefizz said:
Well it's more accurate to say instead of either us leaving God or God leaving us,that we at times you might say "ignore" God temporarily to sin,because in my experience even when I have "willfully sinned" after accepting Jesus and his works,I feel "remorse" and sometimes I even feel "spirit charged" to speak God's word I suppose because when you get a sin "over with" you can focus on "him" without so much "stress".
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I look at it in light of James 1:14-15:

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.


When we sin, we are first "drawn away" ... we are lured away from the Lord.

Something grabs our attention ... then we turn our head ... then we step away.

We are tempted, then drawn away, then enticed.


Now if we could just learn to hold fast to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ when we are tempted. James 4:7-8 tells us to resist the devil, and he will flee from you ... draw nigh unto God and He will draw nigh unto you.
 
JGIG said:
I didn't say ignore ⬆. Discuss! Maybe use some contextual Scripture to support your assertions. Romans 5 and 1 Cor. 5 clearly contradict what you say above, and not one Scripture comes to mind that says that believers are unrighteous.

I said to ignore or report ⬇. What you say below IS baiting, and is an attempt to do what you accuse me of doing: stir up trouble to shut down amicable discussion.
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I think you need to mind your own business.
 
reneweddaybyday said:
I look at it in light of James 1:14-15:

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.


When we sin, we are first "drawn away" ... we are lured away from the Lord.

Something grabs our attention ... then we turn our head ... then we step away.

We are tempted, then drawn away, then enticed.


Now if we could just learn to hold fast to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ when we are tempted. James 4:7-8 tells us to resist the devil, and he will flee from you ... draw nigh unto God and He will draw nigh unto you.
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Yeah I was merely referring to the paradox of using the phrase "leaving God" because as it is told in the bible once you are his nothing can pluck you from his "hand".
 
JGIG said:

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Originally Posted by HeRoseFromTheDead
Believers are unrighteous by nature, but they do not live in sin. They live in the awareness that they are unrighteous, yet are clothed with righteousness, and repent and acknowledge sin when they commit it.​

I didn't say ignore ⬆. Discuss! Maybe use some contextual Scripture to support your assertions. Romans 5 and 1 Cor. 5 clearly contradict what you say above, and not one Scripture comes to mind that says that believers are unrighteous.




I said to ignore or report ⬇. What you say below IS baiting, and is an attempt to do what you accuse me of doing: stir up trouble to shut down amicable discussion.


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Originally Posted by HeRoseFromTheDead
It should sound completely backwards to those who've been indoctrinated in hyper-grace doctrine.​




-JGIG
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
I think you need to mind your own business.
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Thank you. You beautifully made my point.


-JGIG
 
In my first posts in this thread I didn't answer the OP's question -- I just said: "I feel distanced from God when I sin". I feel what I feel and it doesn't have to be biblically correct. My personal opinion is that this emotion (guilt) is in line with Psalm 111:10 (Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom). I can't imagine a true Christian feeling great after cheating on their spouse, for example.

As for the OP's question (Does God sever fellowship with us when we sin?), I think it depends on the type of sin involved, circumstances and recurrence. Committing adultery, for example, is very different from telling a white lie. Adulterers will not enter heaven, i.e., they are cut off from the fellowship with God.




 
joefizz said:
Yeah I was merely referring to the paradox of using the phrase "leaving God" because as it is told in the bible once you are his nothing can pluck you from his "hand".
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Yeah, I know. But sometimes we wander away from Him. He also tells us in Luke 15 that when we're lost, He comes after us, finds us, places us on His shoulder, and brings us back (Luke 15:4-7). :cool:
 
Marcelo said:
In my first posts in this thread I didn't answer the OP's question -- I just said: "I feel distanced from God when I sin". I feel what I feel and it doesn't have to be biblically correct. My personal opinion is that this emotion (guilt) is in line with Psalm 111:10 (Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom). I can't imagine a true Christian feeling great after cheating on their spouse, for example.

As for the OP's question (Does God sever fellowship with us when we sin?), I think it depends on the type of sin involved, circumstances and recurrence. Committing adultery, for example, is very different from telling a white lie. Adulterers will not enter heaven, i.e., they are cut off from the fellowship with God.
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So telling a lie is ok?

1 Timothy 1:3-11
No Other Doctrine
3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia—remain in Ephesus that you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith. 5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, 6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.
8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Believers are unrighteous by nature, but they do not live in sin. They live in the awareness that they are unrighteous, yet are clothed with righteousness, and repent and acknowledge sin when they commit it.
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nope, you are righteous in nature.

you are the righteousness of Christ that is your new nature. the old sin nature was broken(not dead still there but not dominant over you any more.)

your nature is now of the spirit, and that is righteous.
 
UnderGrace said:
This is a discussion board, we can all respond to each others posts.
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Yes, but not with false accusations. If she has a different opinion she's free to express it, but she doesn't have the right to bear false witness against me to try to stir up trouble. This is how it's done, in case you don't know.

  • Stir up trouble (e.g, that's bullying/baiting/etc!)
  • Blame it on someone else
  • Offer a solution
 
wanderer6059 said:
nope, you are righteous in nature.

you are the righteousness of Christ that is your new nature. the old sin nature was broken(not dead still there but not dominant over you any more.)

your nature is now of the spirit, and that is righteous.
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Where does it say that our nature is righteousness? We have been given a new spirit that is no longer enslaved to the flesh, but we still have an unrighteous nature, otherwise we would never sin.
 
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