Its through his blood not through ' submitting our will ' .I don't work. You assume I do. I submitted my will a long time ago. I just let God lead me.
Its through his blood not through ' submitting our will ' .I don't work. You assume I do. I submitted my will a long time ago. I just let God lead me.
You are discussing just becoming saved, i am discussing way beyond that point where it's a lifestyle in God. That's why i know you don't understand. I can see where you are in your walk in God.Its through his blood not our ' submitting our will ' .
Besides all of the outdated dogma and ignorance that's appearing on this thread now, I'm more concerned about the health of the person who started this thread.
Well, ever stop to consider that maybe he knows someone who is considering this? Or that perhaps has lost a loved one to such actions?Besides all of the outdated dogma and ignorance that's appearing on this thread now, I'm more concerned about the health of the person who started this thread.
Exactly why I'm not following other members efforts to start an off-topic debate.Well, ever stop to consider that maybe he knows someone who is considering this? Or that perhaps has lost a loved one to such actions?
It's called mental illness.I think no..unless you are able to repent before dying.
Isn’t that the ultimate lack of faith in the Lord that you despair of your life so much that you don’t even think that God can help you? It’s sinful behavior for sure.
It's called mental illness.
I for one have suffered from severe depression and tried to end my life on more than one occasion.
Backward logic and outdated dogma such as this doesn't help.
I hope this kind of dogma doesn't reach the ear of somebody currently going through clinical depression.
As an aside, I didn't think I'd be having to discuss this on my first day on a christian forum.
Do you think I don’t know about suicide? I was suicidal for most of my life. I wanted to end my life for as long as I can remember...so I do know about this subject. And btw when you describe it as a mental illness you give it power over you....It's called mental illness.
I for one have suffered from severe depression and tried to end my life on more than one occasion.
Backward logic and outdated dogma such as this doesn't help.
I hope this kind of dogma doesn't reach the ear of somebody currently going through clinical depression.
As an aside, I didn't think I'd be having to discuss this on my first day on a christian forum.
I stopped reading when you questioned whether mental illness is caused by a lack of faith.Do you think I don’t know about suicide? I was suicidal for most of my life. I wanted to end my life for as long as I can remember...so I do know about this subject. And btw when you describe it as a mental illness you give it power over you....
Is it mental illness or lack of faith? I don‘t know exactly when I was saved...I think I first heard the gospel when I was a child and rode a bus to a church. I don’t know how long I went but they gave me a pink NT on one of those times..but I didn’t go for long. I think I must have believed what they said but I didn’t go to a church again. My mom’s a catholic whatever that means...she never ‘practiced’ it from what I ever saw and I thought my dad was an atheist. Anyway, from the 7th grade on I was severely depressed and by the time I reached high school I wanted to kill myself. I even had a dagger that I got and was going to slit my wrists somewhere at some point..that was my desire.
It wasn’t until I got married that I really sought out Jesus and thought He could help me with wanting to kill myself...though that wasn’t something that God took care of in my life right away...it took years and years of God working in me and one day, I was driving along and thought about driving my car off the bridge into the traffic below and God saying what about the people driving below..and that was that..I decided to really trust God and haven’t wanted to kill myself since.
So, I’ve thought about this a lot....that it is indeed a sin to get so depressed about your life that you won’t even trust God. God is good and He cares for you...to deny that and think suicide is your only option is a sin and wrong.
Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the plans that I have for you,’ declares the LORD, ‘plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope.
Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the LORD with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He will make your paths straight.
Welcome to CCAs an aside, I didn't think I'd be having to discuss this on my first day on a christian forum.
Then you just want your sin and to blame something for it so you think its not you...sin within you. You might have learned something had you read on.I stopped reading when you questioned whether mental illness is caused by a lack of faith.
That kind of thinking is why some christians do not seek treatment for things like cancer....or mental illness.
You are now on ignore too.
Do you think I don’t know about suicide? I was suicidal for most of my life. I wanted to end my life for as long as I can remember...so I do know about this subject. And btw when you describe it as a mental illness you give it power over you....
Is it mental illness or lack of faith? I don‘t know exactly when I was saved...I think I first heard the gospel when I was a child and rode a bus to a church. I don’t know how long I went but they gave me a pink NT on one of those times..but I didn’t go for long. I think I must have believed what they said but I didn’t go to a church again. My mom’s a catholic whatever that means...she never ‘practiced’ it from what I ever saw and I thought my dad was an atheist. Anyway, from the 7th grade on I was severely depressed and by the time I reached high school I wanted to kill myself. I even had a dagger that I got and was going to slit my wrists somewhere at some point..that was my desire.
It wasn’t until I got married that I really sought out Jesus and thought He could help me with wanting to kill myself...though that wasn’t something that God took care of in my life right away...it took years and years of God working in me and one day, I was driving along and thought about driving my car off the bridge into the traffic below and God saying what about the people driving below..and that was that..I decided to really trust God and haven’t wanted to kill myself since.
So, I’ve thought about this a lot....that it is indeed a sin to get so depressed about your life that you won’t even trust God. God is good and He cares for you...to deny that and think suicide is your only option is a sin and wrong.
Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the plans that I have for you,’ declares the LORD, ‘plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope.
Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the LORD with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He will make your paths straight.
I would like to know why you are unsure about your Spiritual condition.As an aside, I didn't think I'd be having to discuss this on my first day on a christian forum.
Hi RogerI would like to know why you are unsure about your Spiritual condition.
Suicide cannot send one to hell unless they are unsaved when they die. It's not a matter of suicide its a matter of not having forgiveness of sin before death.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
WelcomeHi Roger
I'm keeping that personal for now. Maybe as I get to know people I may share it via private message.