Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?
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So you think you know the mind of God and can counsel Him? Of course you can’t, no one can.
That sorta blows a hole in your theory about who the natural man is and those who are discerned by the Spirit doesn’t it?
I like to interpret John 1 in light of Genesis 1 because they're parallels.
As for 1 Cor. 2:14, I'm on the fence about it only applying to spiritually dead people. I mean, haven't you ever met a Christian who is supposed to be spiritually alive, but seemed incapable of discerning things through God's Spirit? This is probably talking less about theology and doctrine and more about what is morally/spiritually righteous and what is sinful.
John 1:5 is saying fallen man is darkness, which agrees with Pauls statement of the natural unregenerate man Eph 5:8
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
And so left remaining in that state, its declared there is no comprehension of the Light, even the light of the Gospel,
and 1 Cor 2:14 is basically saying the same thing just using different terminology, the natural man has no spiritual apprehension of divine things, because he is darkness.
You need to buy a new record. Clearly the needle is stuck in the groove, repeating the same sheep doctrine over and over and over and over ... ad nauseum. John 10:16, "I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
This clearly disproves your monotonous repetition of the same Scripture over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ... ad nauseum. Please stop!!! You sound just like a sheep!!!
Jesus is speaking of Gentile Sheep of His not connected with Jewish Sheep of National Israel. Still all His Sheep
This is Christ talking. If the Father condemns all, He would be merciless. If He saves all, then there would be no justice and no consequence for sin. To show His justice and and mercy, the Father saves a few who He chooses and gives to His Son to fill His spiritual body through the Holy Spirit.
It is Christ who died for the whole world and wishes that all be saved, but the Father displays His justice and mercy by saving a select few and perfecting them through His Holy Spirit.
“God demonstrates His own love toward us in that, while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5.8
Us = everyone. God loves everyone.
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kaylagrl
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How is that fair?! He created a whole people knowing they would have no choice but to perish? That they cannot be saved? That is not the God I serve. That is a cruel god.
Romans 5.1 pertains to believers in Christ but nowhere does it state anyone is prohibited from ever becoming a believer, hence justified.
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kaylagrl
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God's invitation is to ALL.
Look to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. Isaiah 45:22
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 1 Timothy 2:3-6
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9
And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely. Revelation 22:17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. Romans 1:16
That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For "whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:9-13
Most false doctrines teach that God choose his elect people, by his foreknowledge of those that would seek him.
This is actually what God saw, by his foreknowledge.
Psalms 53:3 - Everyone of them is gone back, they are altogether become filthy, there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Who are we, to question God?
I will need scripture proof of all mankind being justified.
The natural man, before he has been quickened ( born again ) to the new spiritual life, is prohibited from believing in the things of the Spirit, thinking them to be foolishness (1 Cor 2:14).
This is error, The Father, Son, and Spirit are all in agreement on the redeemed.
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kaylagrl
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Matt 11- Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Come to me... no not you lot!! You can't come. Just those over there. Is that what that verse is saying to you?!
Romans 10:13
For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Oh again, not all of you, just you few over there. Rest of you are doomed. Can't be saved no matter what you try.
No, the Bible does not teach that. Why would Jesus make the offer to come, drink, try me and then refuse those who come. No, utterly false doctrine. Whosoever will may come. Bible is 100% clear about that.
K