Does God can change His mind?
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I will say three things....
Was God being deceptive when he sent Isaiah to Hezekiah and told him he was going to die?
And concerning the 144,000.....if you will list every fact alongside a few OT scriptures you will see there is agroup in history that fits the bill.....
Can someone shorten their life by particular sins?
QUOTE=Jason0047;1662527]Dear DC:
As for Hezekiah: Well, first, some Open Theists might think that God would be lying from our perspective or belief. However, God did not lie when he said Hezekiah was going to die. This was based on the the conditions of God's Word that if you choose life you will be blessed and if you choose evil you will be cursed (Deuteronomy 30:17, 18, 19). Hezekaiah or his kingdom had done something wrong towards Assyria and he wrongfully tried to make it up to them by giving them gold out of the Temple of the Lord (2 Kings 18:14, 15, 16). Which obviously did not please the Lord. Therefore, Hezekiah was going to pay the price for his wronging the house of the Lord. Yet, God also sets a condition that if you turn from your evil and pray to the Lord for His mercy, then you can be spared Judgment. God was merely responding to Hezekiah from a linear perspective because Hezekiah cannot see the future like he could and he wanted to use him as an example for others to pray and change their ways (2 Chronicles 7:14).
Second, God did not say, "You will not recover." either. For this does not appear in the King James translation. You might find it in a more modern translation based on a more corrupt manuscript if you like. However, I am trusting in Jesus words in Matthew 24:35 that His words have not passed away, though.
Third, God adding 15 years to Hezekiah's life is not an Open Theistic type of a thing. It is a pre-determined "Classic Theism" type action that states that God is sovereign over His creation, including time itself. For God is so confident that Hezekiah's future deserves to have 15 more years. Not two, not four, not 20. Fifteen specifically. Why 15 and not these other numbers? Does God do things at random or does He take shots in the dark? No, most certainly not.
For Hezekiah's situation was not about God changing His mind, it is about getting Hezekiah to change his mind. For if a child refuses to clean their room against their parent's wishes, that parent can threaten their child with a spanking (that is a very real threat if they do not obey). In fact, that parent can even make it sound like it is a sure thing that is going to happen soon if they do not cooperate. However, if the child changes the conditions of the scenario by obeying, then that child will not be spanked (if that parent is honorable).
Besides, the Open Theist is being inconsistent with their thinking, too.
For if God knew Peter well enough that he would deny him three times, then how did God not know Hezekiah well enough that he was going to give him mercy if he prayed??? Was not God just being consistent with His own Word???
For there was a reason God knew Hezekiah would repent and have 15 more years. For God knew Hezekiah was not going to die because Hezekiah was chosen to be within the line of Christ.
Furthermore, if Open Theism is true, then how do you explain the 144,000? In fact, I believe this is the nail in the coffin for Open Theism. No way can God force to create 144,000 Jewish believers that have not been born yet. The only way God could know this is if either He created man without a free will or if He could clearly see all details in the future. Also, was it a coincidence that God created Abraham's succeeding generations as believers so that he could fulfill his own promise? What about God saying he loved Jacob but hated Esau before they were born?
Also, God has already set a limit for the days of every man, too (Job 14:5) (Psalm 39:4). So the Lord adding to Hezekiah's days could not go beyond the set number He already had pre-determined for Hezekiah. For God knew what Hezekiah's response was going to be. For he did know him just as much as he knew Peter, right? So things only appeared to have changed or had been added from Hezekiah's perspective. For Hezekiah's story is obviously not written from God's eternal perspective, but from man's linear perspective.
I mean, think about it.
What about the Scripture that says that God does not change His mind (Numbers 23:19)?
What about the passages in Scripture that talks about God's Omni-Temporality (Isaiah 46:9-10) (Isaiah 57:15) (Psalm 90:2) (Psalm 102:24)?
For our destiny was planned “before the beginning of time” (2 Timothy 1:9) (Titus 1:2) and“before the creation of the world” (Ephesians 1:4) (1 Peter 1:20).
See, all these things have to be ignored if a person wants to make Open Theism work so they can put God in a box in order to limit the Lord as if He was a man.
Anyways, I hope this helps.
May the Lord's love, blessings, and peace be unto you, dear sir.
And please be well.
With loving kindness to you in Christ:
Sincerely,
~Jason.
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Was God being deceptive when he sent Isaiah to Hezekiah and told him he was going to die?
And concerning the 144,000.....if you will list every fact alongside a few OT scriptures you will see there is agroup in history that fits the bill.....
Can someone shorten their life by particular sins?
QUOTE=Jason0047;1662527]Dear DC:
As for Hezekiah: Well, first, some Open Theists might think that God would be lying from our perspective or belief. However, God did not lie when he said Hezekiah was going to die. This was based on the the conditions of God's Word that if you choose life you will be blessed and if you choose evil you will be cursed (Deuteronomy 30:17, 18, 19). Hezekaiah or his kingdom had done something wrong towards Assyria and he wrongfully tried to make it up to them by giving them gold out of the Temple of the Lord (2 Kings 18:14, 15, 16). Which obviously did not please the Lord. Therefore, Hezekiah was going to pay the price for his wronging the house of the Lord. Yet, God also sets a condition that if you turn from your evil and pray to the Lord for His mercy, then you can be spared Judgment. God was merely responding to Hezekiah from a linear perspective because Hezekiah cannot see the future like he could and he wanted to use him as an example for others to pray and change their ways (2 Chronicles 7:14).
Second, God did not say, "You will not recover." either. For this does not appear in the King James translation. You might find it in a more modern translation based on a more corrupt manuscript if you like. However, I am trusting in Jesus words in Matthew 24:35 that His words have not passed away, though.
Third, God adding 15 years to Hezekiah's life is not an Open Theistic type of a thing. It is a pre-determined "Classic Theism" type action that states that God is sovereign over His creation, including time itself. For God is so confident that Hezekiah's future deserves to have 15 more years. Not two, not four, not 20. Fifteen specifically. Why 15 and not these other numbers? Does God do things at random or does He take shots in the dark? No, most certainly not.
For Hezekiah's situation was not about God changing His mind, it is about getting Hezekiah to change his mind. For if a child refuses to clean their room against their parent's wishes, that parent can threaten their child with a spanking (that is a very real threat if they do not obey). In fact, that parent can even make it sound like it is a sure thing that is going to happen soon if they do not cooperate. However, if the child changes the conditions of the scenario by obeying, then that child will not be spanked (if that parent is honorable).
Besides, the Open Theist is being inconsistent with their thinking, too.
For if God knew Peter well enough that he would deny him three times, then how did God not know Hezekiah well enough that he was going to give him mercy if he prayed??? Was not God just being consistent with His own Word???
For there was a reason God knew Hezekiah would repent and have 15 more years. For God knew Hezekiah was not going to die because Hezekiah was chosen to be within the line of Christ.
Furthermore, if Open Theism is true, then how do you explain the 144,000? In fact, I believe this is the nail in the coffin for Open Theism. No way can God force to create 144,000 Jewish believers that have not been born yet. The only way God could know this is if either He created man without a free will or if He could clearly see all details in the future. Also, was it a coincidence that God created Abraham's succeeding generations as believers so that he could fulfill his own promise? What about God saying he loved Jacob but hated Esau before they were born?
Also, God has already set a limit for the days of every man, too (Job 14:5) (Psalm 39:4). So the Lord adding to Hezekiah's days could not go beyond the set number He already had pre-determined for Hezekiah. For God knew what Hezekiah's response was going to be. For he did know him just as much as he knew Peter, right? So things only appeared to have changed or had been added from Hezekiah's perspective. For Hezekiah's story is obviously not written from God's eternal perspective, but from man's linear perspective.
I mean, think about it.
What about the Scripture that says that God does not change His mind (Numbers 23:19)?
What about the passages in Scripture that talks about God's Omni-Temporality (Isaiah 46:9-10) (Isaiah 57:15) (Psalm 90:2) (Psalm 102:24)?
For our destiny was planned “before the beginning of time” (2 Timothy 1:9) (Titus 1:2) and“before the creation of the world” (Ephesians 1:4) (1 Peter 1:20).
See, all these things have to be ignored if a person wants to make Open Theism work so they can put God in a box in order to limit the Lord as if He was a man.
Anyways, I hope this helps.
May the Lord's love, blessings, and peace be unto you, dear sir.
And please be well.
With loving kindness to you in Christ:
Sincerely,
~Jason.
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Please, please read this article if you want to know what God has revealed to me concerning this very topic
Does God Know Everything?
Know you not there is a Judgement Day? What need would there be for a Judgment Day if all the Judgments were already known. We are Judged. If God already knows all the choices we would make in our entire life, then what need would there be for a Judgement Day to Judge us according to our Faith and works. People hearken to me and understand. we are ALL here being tested. Why tested, because God wants to know what we will choose to do. An example of this is.
An Example is when God told Abraham to sacrifice his son. When he was about to do it, God said
Genesis 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for NOW I KNOW that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Do you believe the Word of God and what it plainly says and teaches, or will you try to CHANGE this verse to mean something other than what it plainly says? The Word of God is True, the interpretations of men are faulty. Think about this example the Word of God gives us. If God already Knew what the outcome would be, if He already Knew that Abraham would do it if He were to ask him to do it. then what need would there have been to ask him to do it? And if He Truly already KNEW what he would do, why does the Word of God plainly states that God said "NOW I KNOW" What He didn't prior to that point? No He did not know, that is why Abraham was being tested, it was a test that God did not know the what choice Abraham would make, it was a test, and He passed with flying colors. and when he was about to sacrifice his son as God asked him to do, it was at that point right before he was going to actually do it, that GOD KNEW.
We are all here being tested to see what we will do. If God already knew the fate of every single person on this planet there would be no need for us to even be here. There would be no need to even create the human race in order to be tested. If God knew everything, He would never have allowed a WAR in Heaven to begin with, He would have KNOWN that His Angel Lucifer would sin against Him and turn evil. Please i am asking you for all those who want to know the Truth concerning this topic to read:
Does God Know Everything?
and then read the article why we are all here on this Earth.
The Meaning of Life.
Does God Know Everything?
Know you not there is a Judgement Day? What need would there be for a Judgment Day if all the Judgments were already known. We are Judged. If God already knows all the choices we would make in our entire life, then what need would there be for a Judgement Day to Judge us according to our Faith and works. People hearken to me and understand. we are ALL here being tested. Why tested, because God wants to know what we will choose to do. An example of this is.
An Example is when God told Abraham to sacrifice his son. When he was about to do it, God said
Genesis 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for NOW I KNOW that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Do you believe the Word of God and what it plainly says and teaches, or will you try to CHANGE this verse to mean something other than what it plainly says? The Word of God is True, the interpretations of men are faulty. Think about this example the Word of God gives us. If God already Knew what the outcome would be, if He already Knew that Abraham would do it if He were to ask him to do it. then what need would there have been to ask him to do it? And if He Truly already KNEW what he would do, why does the Word of God plainly states that God said "NOW I KNOW" What He didn't prior to that point? No He did not know, that is why Abraham was being tested, it was a test that God did not know the what choice Abraham would make, it was a test, and He passed with flying colors. and when he was about to sacrifice his son as God asked him to do, it was at that point right before he was going to actually do it, that GOD KNEW.
We are all here being tested to see what we will do. If God already knew the fate of every single person on this planet there would be no need for us to even be here. There would be no need to even create the human race in order to be tested. If God knew everything, He would never have allowed a WAR in Heaven to begin with, He would have KNOWN that His Angel Lucifer would sin against Him and turn evil. Please i am asking you for all those who want to know the Truth concerning this topic to read:
Does God Know Everything?
and then read the article why we are all here on this Earth.
The Meaning of Life.
J
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Not at all certain this is true of God, as God has demonstrated the knowledge of fine details of human behavior, thousands of years in advance, and have my own private ideas on this that reach into scientific theory I'd not discuss in an anonymous theological forum, which point to complete knowledge. Yet it's also true we indeed have free will God created us with, which He appeals to, by His Holy Spirit, that the choice comes down to how we respond to His calling. Anything else is quicksand of Calvinism I know I've always rejected, for such very clear verses as John 3:16-17 and others. But I also believe God must know much, much more, such that anthropomorphising Him, as if He has our blind spots, is most shaky ground, human arguments projected on to scripture the substance of which cults "prove" their views. Without having the mind and knowledge of God, a number of human "if this," then "why that" arguments lack the foundation of knowledge of things eternal required for an authoritative answer.
Another question to ask, one that relates and answers the original question, is a question of if God is eternal or not. If God is eternal, then the principles and attributes of God never change at all.
In these posts are examples given of God changing His mind, but not one of them shows a change in God, only in His response to an action of man. Always God's long suffering, mercy, and love for us enters in, the examples just show that there are a limit to these things in God.
Some say God changed His mind about the commandments, about whether God accepts work we do as a basis for salvation, etc. I see scripture evidence that these principles were established and shown at creation and remain constant.
In these posts are examples given of God changing His mind, but not one of them shows a change in God, only in His response to an action of man. Always God's long suffering, mercy, and love for us enters in, the examples just show that there are a limit to these things in God.
Some say God changed His mind about the commandments, about whether God accepts work we do as a basis for salvation, etc. I see scripture evidence that these principles were established and shown at creation and remain constant.