Does Deuteronomy 4:19 teach God gave the nations false gods?

[Hakawaka]

Deuteronomy 4:19
And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.


My honest answer is: it looks like it, but say it aint so? Does someone have a better explanation for this?

 

[Hakawaka]

EDIT: Googled and I have a better explanation. Admins feel free to remove the thread. The better explanation is God has given the host of heaven for ALL NATIONS, not to be worshiped, but in general, as in, we all see the sun and enjoy it.

 

[HopeinHim98]

It also says in Acts that God winked at the ignorance in times past but NOW is calling all men everywhere to repent. In the old covenant God had His own special people separate from the gentiles. But now it's all about evangelism. Not sure if that has any bearing on your first question but that's what I thought of.

 

[Magenta]

It also says in Acts that God winked at the ignorance in times past but NOW is calling all men everywhere to repent. In the old covenant God had His own special people separate from the gentiles. But now it's all about evangelism. Not sure if that has any bearing on your first question but that's what I thought of.

Acts 17 verse 30 ~ Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all people everywhere to repent.

 

[studier]

The heavenly council is a fascinating read. There are some good books on it. Here's some notes from the NET Bible team re: Deut4:19

28 tn Or "heavens." The Hebrew term שָׁמַיִם (shamayim) may be translated "heaven(s)" or "sky" depending on the context.
29 tn Heb "all the host of heaven."
30 tn In the Hebrew text the verbal sequence in v. 19 is "lest you look up…and see…and be seduced…and worship them…and serve them." However, the first two actions are not prohibited in and of themselves. The prohibition pertains to the final three actions. The first two verbs describe actions that are logically subordinate to the following actions and can be treated as temporal or circumstantial: "lest, looking up…and seeing…, you are seduced." See Joüon 2:635 §168.h.
31 tn Or "allotted."
32 tn Or "nations."
33 tn Heb "under all the heaven."
sn The OT views the heavenly host as God's council, which surrounds his royal throne ready to do his bidding (see 1 Kgs 22:19). God has given this group, sometimes called the "sons of God" (cf. Job 1:6; 38:7; Ps 89:6), jurisdiction over the nations. See Deut 32:8 (LXX). Some also see this assembly as the addressee in Ps 82. While God delegated his council to rule over the nations, he established a theocratic government over Israel and ruled directly over his chosen people via the Mosaic covenant. See v. 20, as well as Deut 32:9.

 

[Gideon300]

Deuteronomy 4:19
And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.


My honest answer is: it looks like it, but say it aint so? Does someone have a better explanation for this?

God gave all those things for the reasons given in Genesis at creation. That does not include worshiping them.

 

[ocean]

Deuteronomy 4:19
And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.


My honest answer is: it looks like it, but say it aint so? Does someone have a better explanation for this?

I don't think so. Since these were created and in existence, it would seem the tendency to worship that which is not God but created by Him, is the tendency of humankind to fill in the hollow spaces in their being (s) however they can and that which is above and beyond, lends itself to 'worship.'

 

[homwardbound]

Acts 17 verse 30 ~ Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all people everywhere to repent.

I love the verses with Acts 17:30 especially verse 28 of Chapter 17

We move and have our being by God, not self as poets related


Living Bible
Acts 17:28
28 For in him we live and move and are! As one of your own poets says it, ‘We are the sons of God.’

Authorized (King James) Version
Acts 17:28
28 for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

I see continue to stand in belief it is finished of run to see being given new life of love to all, without stress over it at all, thanks

 

[homwardbound]

Deuteronomy 4:19
And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.


My honest answer is: it looks like it, but say it aint so? Does someone have a better explanation for this?

Reading the entire Chapter as a whole
I see to not love anything, self, others, materials, even the moon or Sun nothing but God
the Father of the risen Son today
Jesus was asked what is the greatest Command of the Law

To love Father above it all, why? because Father loves us all first, did that in Son going to that cross willingly first, without asking anyone, God did that out of Love for us to first reconcile us all as if we never have sinned ever. Col 1:21-23
Take that perplexity to God in prayer and see God just loves you, when you do, then change will happen in you too
Taking away the command to not sin, makes it not for me at least care to sin. No fun, when I am told I am freed from under Law, where Paul tries to tell us all about it. When he was under Law. Please read all the epistles of Paul, not just the verses the whole story and trust Daddy, PaPa, Father to reveal this truth to you too, thank you

 

[Magenta]

I love the verses with Acts 17:30 especially verse 28 of Chapter 17

We move and have our being by God, not self as poets related

Living Bible
Acts 17:28
28 For in him we live and move and are! As one of your own poets says it, ‘We are the sons of God.’

Authorized (King James) Version
Acts 17:28
28 for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

I see continue to stand in belief it is finished of run to see being given new life of love to all, without stress over it at all, thanks

It is a wonderful verse to be sure...

From Acts 17 verses 26-28

I have another one with that verse added at the bottom but I cannot find it, as it is a much older one...

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Deuteronomy 4:19
And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.


My honest answer is: it looks like it, but say it aint so? Does someone have a better explanation for this?

“to whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt, saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices By the space of forty years in the wilderness?

Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, And the star of your god Remphan, Figures which ye made to worship them: And I will carry you away beyond Babylon.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭7:39-43‬ ‭

Man rejected God and made themselves false dieties to worship God chose israel as his own oeiple but even they rejected him and built idols to worship and praise from thier own minds and in response , God gave them over to those imaginations to worship the host of heaven

If we choose against God he’ll let us have our way we saw the lords image and we created idols of animals and other things to worship and so he lets mans dominion run it’s course

“because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Like when they made Aaron build then a golden calf and gave it the glory for saving them from Egypt. They made gods image into that of a four footed calf to worship and then there was a change to n the disposition of the law

“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭23:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Israel rejected God early on breaking the first commandment of having no other gods they did this as Moses was upon the Mount receiving the law for them at that point he turned them over to the worship of angels and thier disposition because they built the calf

 

[Pilgrimshope]

See what you quoted came as part of a statement and warnin about having false gods

“Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female, the likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air, the likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth: and lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭4:15-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we create idols and alter his image he will let us have our willful way and the result will be we are worshipping false dieties. People do that even today with Jesus taking the Jesus oreeented in the gospel and what he said and making it into something from thoer own mind to worship a better version of Jesus for them ….

The result is they are worshipping a fallacy rather than truth

 

[Soyeong]

Deuteronomy 4:19
And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.


My honest answer is: it looks like it, but say it aint so? Does someone have a better explanation for this?

Even the concept of false gods was created by God so that we would have a choice.

 

[ConfirmByDoing]

Deuteronomy 4:19
And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.


My honest answer is: it looks like it, but say it aint so? Does someone have a better explanation for this?

Deut 4:19 may not be saying that, but I believe Deut 32:8, 9 is hinting at such. Deut 32 overview explains...

"Deuteronomy 32, often called the "Song of Moses," is a powerful poetic lament and warning, highlighting God's faithfulness and Israel's unfaithfulness, culminating in a prediction of future judgment and eventual restoration."(Isreal's unfaithfulness was serving other gods)

Deuteronomy 32:8 speaks about the Tower of Babel where the "Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God". I believe the ESV got this right. Along with Isreal not being a nation yet at the time of the Tower of Babel.

This passage is referring to angels, the fallen sons of God(Gen 6:1-4). The Dead Seas Scrolls and Septuagint reads "sons of God" meaning a direct creation of God Himself Jesus(Col 1:16). The Jewish people are descendants of Abraham who himself isn't a direct creation of God. The angels and Adam&Eve were direct creations. All the rest are descendants from the direct creation.

Deut 32:9 is however speaking about God's very own Isreal, ".. Jacob is the allotment of His inheritance". This separation, though of His people, would later be seen in custom practices of circumcision, Sabbath observance, dietary laws, festivals/celebrations. This went hand in hand with not worshiping other gods in the form of Lev 18:1-30. Us Christians also go through a separation known as sanctification or to be set apart from the ways/rulers of this world(John 12:31; II Cor 4:3, 4; Eph 6:12)

Deut 32:10-14 speaks about God watching over His people, with v12 reminding us "... there was no foreign god with him"... yet.(him being Jacob/Isreal)

Deut 32:15-18 foretells of when Isreal would reach the promised land, turn their backs to our God Yahweh, and choose to worship other gods. By the way... the followers of these other gods should look familiar.(Number 13:25-33)

Deut 32:19-28 speaks about God's judgement on His people for turning their backs on Him to worship these other gods

Deut 32:32 mentions Sodom and Gomorrah as similar evil practices as the Canaanite inhabitants serving these other gods.

Deut 32:34-43 speaks to God Most High seeking vengeance upon those who follow these other gods and mocking those gods whom He knew before creating the foundations of the Earth(Job 38:4-7)

Further proof of fallen angels ruling nations is found in Ezekiel 28:1-19. In verses 1-10 the Lord our God is speaking through His prophet only to the human king of Tyre. But in verses 11-19 our God Most High is now shifting His focus and speaking through His prophet to the spiritual ruler of Tyre... that is Satan himself

 

[homwardbound]

It is a wonderful verse to be sure...

From Acts 17 verses 26-28

I have another one with that verse added at the bottom but I cannot find it, as it is a much older one...

Thank you, for sharing in care given you to do that willingly

 

[DavidLamb]

Deuteronomy 4:19
And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.


My honest answer is: it looks like it, but say it aint so? Does someone have a better explanation for this?

I don't believe that God gave the nations false gods.

“"And take heed, lest you lift your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun, the moon, and the stars, all the host of heaven, you feel driven to worship them and serve them, which the LORD your God has given to all the peoples under the whole heaven as a heritage.” (De 4:19 NKJV)

I believe Deuteronomy 4:19 means that God has given the sun, moon and stars to all the peoples, not that He has given the false gods which people have made the sun, moon and stars into.

 

[Magenta]

Thank you, for sharing in care given you to do that willingly

I finally found the other older one... .

Love Believes - One John Four verses Nine to Ten

 

[homwardbound]

I finally found the other older one... .

Love Believes - One John Four verses Nine to Ten

thank you, so much truth, that only father I see can and does reveal to all that are sincere in belief to this love given us all by Son first. Woe is me.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Even the concept of false gods was created by God so that we would have a choice.

He’s talking about he gave the sun moon and stars to all the nations not false gods . He’s warning isreal
Not to make images of things created and worship them or eventually they would look up to the moon and sun and stars and begin naming them gods and they knew the result of that from the laws first commandment

“Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female, the likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air, the likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth: and lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven,

shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them,

which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭4:15-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the heavens and heavenly bodies are given to all nations under the heaven he’s warning them against idol worship sayong “ don’t have idols or you’ll end up worshipping the things I gave you “

 

[ocean]

Even the concept of false gods was created by God so that we would have a choice.

Where does it say that in the Bible? What the Bible actually does say, is that God gives or allows to happen, a strong delusion to those who do not love the truth.

At the same time, we are told in Romans that there is no excuse for people to question the reality of God or worship false things, when the fact and truth of God, has been instilled in humankind by God Himself.

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Romans 1