Just to be real clear, duck, Jesus said it in very plain words, which you have chosen to reject.
Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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It doesn't matter what you say. It's all irrelevant since you have chosen to reject very clear Scripture, and the very words of Jesus.
You've made your choice. Now, go lay in it.
Why don't you quote the Scriptures. It's not that difficult. I do it all the time.
"Partakers of the Holy Spirit" are saved Christians! "whose end is to be burned".
What insults did I hurl? I guess OSASers can lie like the Devil and NEVER lose their salvation.
FreeGrace2 said:
If you've read John 5:24, John 10:28, and 1 Cor 3:12-15 and STILL believe the heretical false doctrine that salvation can be lost, then you have just admitted that you can't read so well.
As I said, after sharing the above verses with you, you had a choice to make. And it is clear you have made your choice. You reject the truth of what Jesus said, and continue to cling to your heretical false doctrine that salvation can be lost.
And, you have demonstrated that you are not teachable.
I never said you were unsaved. I said you cling to a heretical false doctrine. Many believers do that.
If you have placed your full trust in the work of Jesus Christ ALONE, and NO trust in yourself to "help" Jesus save you, you are saved.
But if when you were presented the gospel and some idiot included the fact that you can lose what Jesus gives you based on how you live, then you are including your own lifestyle in what you think is salvation.
So, if that is true, then you were led astray and aren't saved, because grace goes alone. When someone thinks that their efforts or lifestyle is a requirement for salvation, they are basically saying that Jesus didn't do enough and I'm responsible for some of it.
Whoever says they trust or believe in Jesus but also believes their own lifestyle determines whether they are saved or not, isn't saved.
It is Jesus alone, or your own works are involved. And the Bible refutes that clearly.
Rom 4:4,5
4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation.
5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.
And Eph 2:8,9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Here is another choice: either believe these verses or reject them.
But nothing you do saves you, and nothing you do unsaves you.
And Jesus promised that those who have received eternal life SHALL NEVER PERISH.
If you've read John 5:24, John 10:28, and 1 Cor 3:12-15 and STILL believe the heretical false doctrine that salvation can be lost, then you have just admitted that you can't read so well.
As I said, after sharing the above verses with you, you had a choice to make. And it is clear you have made your choice. You reject the truth of what Jesus said, and continue to cling to your heretical false doctrine that salvation can be lost.
And, you have demonstrated that you are not teachable.
Apparently you don't read so well, duck.
I never said you were unsaved. I said you cling to a heretical false doctrine. Many believers do that.
If you have placed your full trust in the work of Jesus Christ ALONE, and NO trust in yourself to "help" Jesus save you, you are saved.
But if when you were presented the gospel and some idiot included the fact that you can lose what Jesus gives you based on how you live, then you are including your own lifestyle in what you think is salvation.
So, if that is true, then you were led astray and aren't saved, because grace goes alone. When someone thinks that their efforts or lifestyle is a requirement for salvation, they are basically saying that Jesus didn't do enough and I'm responsible for some of it.
Whoever says they trust or believe in Jesus but also believes their own lifestyle determines whether they are saved or not, isn't saved.
It is Jesus alone, or your own works are involved. And the Bible refutes that clearly.
Rom 4:4,5
4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation.
5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.
And Eph 2:8,9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Here is another choice: either believe these verses or reject them.
But nothing you do saves you, and nothing you do unsaves you.
And Jesus promised that those who have received eternal life SHALL NEVER PERISH.
Then you are a different breed of OSAS. I don't hurl personal insults. I just receive them from OSASers.
FreeGrace2 said:
What a lie! I gave you John 5;24 and 10:28 which are the clearest verses about eternal security.
But since you have clearly demonstrated that you are not teachable, you lie about what others post. There was no personal attack in my post. I asked a question. And you always don't answer my questions. So just quit lying, ok?
I showed you clear verses on eternal security. And you showed your rejection of Jesus' own words. You have been fully exposed.
Or, are you so confused, deceived, etc that you don't consider either John 5:24 or John 10:28 as Scripture?
Those He gave eternal life to SHALL NEVER PERISH. But you don't believe that since you believe that salvation can be lost.
Can't have it both ways. Jesus taught eternal security, and you teach heretical and blasphemous false doctrine.
What a lie! I gave you John 5;24 and 10:28 which are the clearest verses about eternal security.
But since you have clearly demonstrated that you are not teachable, you lie about what others post. There was no personal attack in my post. I asked a question. And you always don't answer my questions. So just quit lying, ok?
I showed you clear verses on eternal security. And you showed your rejection of Jesus' own words. You have been fully exposed.
The better question is: why do YOU lie like the plague?
Or, are you so confused, deceived, etc that you don't consider either John 5:24 or John 10:28 as Scripture?
Well, another verse you completely fail to understand. To be cut off CANNOT mean loss of salvation, or Jesus lied. I know that you lie, but I also know that Jesus NEVER lied.
Those He gave eternal life to SHALL NEVER PERISH. But you don't believe that since you believe that salvation can be lost.
Can't have it both ways. Jesus taught eternal security, and you teach heretical and blasphemous false doctrine.
You really need to stop lying. Since you believe that salvation can be lost, and you directly insult our Lord Jesus by rejecting His very clear words, you should be concerned about your own future.
I have quoted Scripture and you know it. But it seems lying is your style. Satan does that too.
If you could read better, you would have realized what "is to be burned". It's NOT believers or any person. It's their works. Which I have already explained to you and even showed the parallel between Heb 6:4-8 and 1 Cor 3:12-15.
But, as I've already said, you have shown that you are unteachable.
i've already told you a believer CAN forsake God.
In FACT, you have repeatedly done that on this thread. By rejecting the very words of Jesus, who said those who have been given eternal life SHALL NEVER PERISH.
To reject the clear teaching of Jesus is the same as FORSAKING God.
So, from your own theology, your own future is at stake.
FreeGrace2 said:
If you cannot specifically point to a poster who does that here, you are just making up more false stuff.
If you do point out a poster, you also need to provide the evidence from their posts.
If you cannot specifically point to a poster who does that here, you are just making up more false stuff.
If you do point out a poster, you also need to provide the evidence from their posts.
Just more untruths from you. You can't show any verse that shows that any believer who forsakes God will lose salvation, so why should anyone believe anything you say?
Why don't you quote those? It's because you know they don't say we can't forsake God!
The OSAS Twist!
OSAS says I can NEVER be unsaved. Isn't that wonderful!
Who does the going after?
Luk 15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
Luk 15:5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
Luk 15:6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
Luk 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
Luk 15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
Luk 15:5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
Luk 15:6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
Luk 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.