Do You Want To Be Well?

[JohnDB]

Boy howdy is this thread title a loaded question.

What is the honest answer?

It seems everyone is throwing out medical advice these days.
Everyone gives out mental health advice too.

But what price are people willing to pay for health?

Just as an EXAMPLE ONLY....knee surgery. Knee replacement is fairly straightforward and easy these days. 9 months of healing, rehab and lots of money, you are back at it.
Nowhere near the risk and low success rates of ankle replacement surgery.

But some people would rather endure the injections and pain....
The cost of being down for 9 months is too much.

Junkies and alcoholics also face something similar...the cure for them is worse that the disease

 

[p_rehbein]

But what price are people willing to pay for health?

Billions of dollars just here in the U.S.

The Health Industry is huge here, and it has more than a fair share of "kooks" selling snake oil too!

 

[JohnDB]

Billions of dollars just here in the U.S.

The Health Industry is huge here, and it has more than a fair share of "kooks" selling snake oil too!

Specially down there in Bama....

The number of functionally mentally ill is tremendous.

CIP: I know a man who, because of childhood neglect, has now a habit/addiction of controlling others....to the point of philandering.

IOW he must "make people like him". That way he is in control of the situation.
Very hard worker and high attention to detail in everything he does.

But at the same time he wears a mask. He has worn this false persona for so long he believes it to be the truth of who he really is. He struggled with this and tried to be better for a while...which caught my attention. And I happen to like and admire those who take up such inner battles. (My weird twink) The battle within is always the most brutal battle we will ever fight.

But, can he be well?
Does he really want to be well?
What price are people willing to pay to be well? Especially when the sickness of sin is pleasurable albeit fleeting.
He is going to have a "come apart" if he really takes up the challenge. I'm not sure if he will be whole emotionally if he decides for health.

Huge price...

But he could lose his family if he doesn't...
Another huge price for keeping the illness.


This is but one of a million people who keep the sickness instead of choosing health. Financially, health is devastating to overcome serious illnesses like cancer.

Emotionally isn't much different...except the price is more substantial going right to the core of our identity. Who is willing to pay that price?


I'm sure that there were many Pharisees who knew as well as Peter did that Jesus was the Messiah but refused to give up their lives....so they refused to admit that they too believed. And so they eventually got the "rewards " of their actions....they are burning to this day with horrible reputations and legacies.

 

[Lynx]

"Everybody says we're all so different
But everybody knows we're all the same
We're all looking for a pill
To numb the pain"

Two things:

1 - Everybody's just doing what it takes to make it through life, or what they think it takes. The crabby old goat at work didn't wake up one morning and think, "I want to be a grumpy jerk to everyone for the rest of my life." He tried being rude to someone one time and found it made people leave him alone, so he kept using that to keep people at bay, until it became who he is. The alcoholic didn't make a conscious decision to become addicted to alcohol. He tried it and found it pushed the world away and gave him some peace for a while, so he kept using it when he needed a break from life until it became who he is.

We're all just doing the things we think will work.

2 - Nobody is willing to let go of what works, even if they know it is killing them. A lot of people know what they are doing is not sustainable indefinitely, but it's working for them for the time and they can't let go of it because it's something they have found that actually works for them. It's like being sucked into a whirlpool and holding onto a thorny briar. It's cutting you up, but it's better than letting go. Sure people are hollering at you about some rope they call Jesus, but you can't see it yourself and it would mean letting go of the only thing keeping you from being sucked under, so you're not about to make that leap.

That's why so many people don't try Jesus until they have reached the bottom. They can't force themselve to let go of what is working until it has cut them so deeply they just can't keep a grip anymore.

 

[Lynx]

Short version: Some people don't want to be well because their illness is the only thing keeping them from going crazy, and they can't see any better way to keep life from sucking them down. So they hold onto their illness because at least it's working for them, for now.

 

[shittim]

Those who are truly His Own walk in divine health.
Just as the Pharisees, we live in a world that does not recognize Him nor accept Him and the very nature of relationship with Him, wholeness, restoration, health, healing, prosperity, sound mind.
Jesus never sent anyone to the Dr.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Specially down there in Bama....

The number of functionally mentally ill is tremendous.

CIP: I know a man who, because of childhood neglect, has now a habit/addiction of controlling others....to the point of philandering.

IOW he must "make people like him". That way he is in control of the situation.
Very hard worker and high attention to detail in everything he does.

But at the same time he wears a mask. He has worn this false persona for so long he believes it to be the truth of who he really is. He struggled with this and tried to be better for a while...which caught my attention. And I happen to like and admire those who take up such inner battles. (My weird twink) The battle within is always the most brutal battle we will ever fight.

But, can he be well?
Does he really want to be well?
What price are people willing to pay to be well? Especially when the sickness of sin is pleasurable albeit fleeting.
He is going to have a "come apart" if he really takes up the challenge. I'm not sure if he will be whole emotionally if he decides for health.

Huge price...

But he could lose his family if he doesn't...
Another huge price for keeping the illness.


This is but one of a million people who keep the sickness instead of choosing health. Financially, health is devastating to overcome serious illnesses like cancer.

Emotionally isn't much different...except the price is more substantial going right to the core of our identity. Who is willing to pay that price?


I'm sure that there were many Pharisees who knew as well as Peter did that Jesus was the Messiah but refused to give up their lives....so they refused to admit that they too believed. And so they eventually got the "rewards " of their actions....they are burning to this day with horrible reputations and legacies.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin

 

[G00WZ]

Billions of dollars just here in the U.S.

The Health Industry is huge here, and it has more than a fair share of "kooks" selling snake oil too!

Doctors and thieves wear masks.
You wanna talk snakes check out the medical/pharmacy symbol with the serpents twisting up the pole called caduceus, it's the same thing the Greek god Hermes had. Hermes was the Greek god of trade, wealth, luck, fertility, animal husbandry, sleep, language, thieves, and travel.

 

[Jocund]

Doctors and thieves wear masks.
You wanna talk snakes check out the medical/pharmacy symbol with the serpents twisting up the pole called caduceus, it's the same thing the Greek god Hermes had. Hermes was the Greek god of trade, wealth, luck, fertility, animal husbandry, sleep, language, thieves, and travel.

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Yes, but the single snake on a rod seen on ambulances is from the OT and was for healing.

The moral of the story is basically the same because that healing snake rod eventually turned into an idol.

 

[shittim]

Jesus was clear that ALL things are new in Him.
His command to His own was to heal, cleanse, cast out, etc.
He never sent anyone to the Dr.

 

[Jocund]

Jesus was clear that ALL things are new in Him.
His command to His own was to heal, cleanse, cast out, etc.
He never sent anyone to the Dr.

Yes, but God can work through the hands of doctors just like he worked miracles through the hands of Paul.

"And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul" - Acts 19:11 KJV

Not to say that this would be the case for every doctor of course. But if someone feels it's right for them to go to the doctor, there might be more to it than meets the eye.

 

[shittim]

Holy Spirit brought healing through Paul, just as He did through Jesus and the 12, and them through the 70, unto today for any and all who have received Holy Spirit anointing as Jesus modeled, and He modeled how the Father wants us all to live in his power and anointing. Drs most often hold to an outward form believing sickness is organic, not Spiritual.

 

[TheNarrowPath]

My Dad used to always say prevention is better than cure.
I think most people will weigh their pain threshold v recovery time.
Great question - Do I want to be well? I hardly go to the doctor, unless something happened where it is a huge disruption to my life. But more and more these days I have started to look at natural remedies over modern medicine because of covid, you have to look into what is going in your body.

 

[shittim]

Holy Spirit guides in ALL truth and will communicate with us in ALL areas of our lives.

 

[Lynx]

JohnDB I do hope you're not surprised. You had to know this thread would draw the "Doctors are eeeeeeeevil!" people out of the woodwork.

Or... Was that the whole plan? Are you working with the government to draw them out so they can take them down?

*Lynx puts on his special metal hat and goes to hide in his bunker.

 

[JohnDB]

My Dad used to always say prevention is better than cure.
I think most people will weigh their pain threshold v recovery time.
Great question - Do I want to be well? I hardly go to the doctor, unless something happened where it is a huge disruption to my life. But more and more these days I have started to look at natural remedies over modern medicine because of covid, you have to look into what is going in your body.

Well with covid about....
It is more about who you hang out with and why....

Because today so many are embracing their illness and would rather be ill than healthy. As if it's a prize to be had.

Currently I do qualify for SS Disability. I have more than enough calendar quarters paid in. Worked my whole life since teens. Now that one knee and one ankle are bad I qualify....
But I'd rather work...I'd rather still matter to the world at large...I'd rather have a bakery than sit every day. I'd rather mentor kids on a regular basis.
But not everyone has the same attitude.

"If someone forces you to go a mile with them go two"

When God placed Adam in the garden it wasn't to just lounge about....it was to garden/farm it. Then God gave Adam a helper with all the work....Eve.

Work is good....we may whine about it....but work is a blessing. Been that way since the very beginning. The sick don't work.

And safety is always an issue....tripping hazards and slipping hazards. Safety glasses and aprons. So we can go back again tomorrow after going home tonight instead of the hospital.

I like modern medicine....I can keep working even though my chronic conditions would otherwise make me ill.
Colonoscopies may not be pleasant....even the idea of them are horrendous. But if they prevent cancer....

John 5 Jesus asked a lame man that question. "Do you want to be well" When I was young it struck me as an odd thing to ask. Now today, I finally get why Jesus asked. Some people's whole lives are wrapped up in sickness....they don't know how to live being healthy.
What are they going to do in heaven when they are healthy? What will they bring with them for works? No chairs in heaven except for God's throne. If you can run and not grow weary....chairs are pointless.

 

[JohnDB]

JohnDB I do hope you're not surprised. You had to know this thread would draw the "Doctors are eeeeeeeevil!" people out of the woodwork.

Or... Was that the whole plan? Are you working with the government to draw them out so they can take them down?

*Lynx puts on his special metal hat and goes to hide in his bunker.

Well there is that mentality that everyone we know that died was under a doctor's care....

 

[Lynx]

John 5 Jesus asked a lame man that question. "Do you want to be well" When I was young it struck me as an odd thing to ask. Now today, I finally get why Jesus asked. Some people's whole lives are wrapped up in sickness....they don't know how to live being healthy.
What are they going to do in heaven when they are healthy? What will they bring with them for works? No chairs in heaven except for God's throne. If you can run and not grow weary....chairs are pointless.

Interesting observation...

I know of one man who came into church in a wheelchair. Prayer was made, he was healed, he got up and ran around the church... Then sat back down in his wheelchair.

When asked why he returned to the wheelchair, he replied, "If they find out I'm healed I'll lose my disability check."

No I'm not making this up. I wish I was. smh...

 

[TheNarrowPath]

Well with covid about....
It is more about who you hang out with and why....

Because today so many are embracing their illness and would rather be ill than healthy. As if it's a prize to be had.

Currently I do qualify for SS Disability. I have more than enough calendar quarters paid in. Worked my whole life since teens. Now that one knee and one ankle are bad I qualify....
But I'd rather work...I'd rather still matter to the world at large...I'd rather have a bakery than sit every day. I'd rather mentor kids on a regular basis.
But not everyone has the same attitude.

"If someone forces you to go a mile with them go two"

When God placed Adam in the garden it wasn't to just lounge about....it was to garden/farm it. Then God gave Adam a helper with all the work....Eve.

Work is good....we may whine about it....but work is a blessing. Been that way since the very beginning. The sick don't work.

And safety is always an issue....tripping hazards and slipping hazards. Safety glasses and aprons. So we can go back again tomorrow after going home tonight instead of the hospital.

I like modern medicine....I can keep working even though my chronic conditions would otherwise make me ill.
Colonoscopies may not be pleasant....even the idea of them are horrendous. But if they prevent cancer....

John 5 Jesus asked a lame man that question. "Do you want to be well" When I was young it struck me as an odd thing to ask. Now today, I finally get why Jesus asked. Some people's whole lives are wrapped up in sickness....they don't know how to live being healthy.
What are they going to do in heaven when they are healthy? What will they bring with them for works? No chairs in heaven except for God's throne. If you can run and not grow weary....chairs are pointless.

Covid spread in my family just like last time. But we are okay and just like the first time I wasnt worried about covid I was worried about the "cure"
So many people are sick, I would say more are unwell because of covid. Possibly it is the mental side that stays long after they are up and moving about. Some people are sick...of working. They lost their purpose.
I had a colonosocpy a few years ago. I had to because a family member had it cancer. Wasnt pleasant being awake for the procedure but then I needed to drive home, I didnt have time to wait lol.
Its amazing what going outside and having the sun or wind on your face does to your wellbeing. Then you can look at the world and thank the Lord you are alive to see it.
Slip mats are good or those grip pads. Tripping hazards is why Im home and a month later Im sick of it. Im ready to return to work tho. I was with a guy who I believe he was overwhelmed with his disabilties (mostly mental) and everyday this crushed his attempts to get healthy. In the end he seemed to give up and let it rule him.
Hope your knee and ankle arent affecting your mobility too much.