Do you observe the Sabbath?

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Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? Matthew 12:5

Do you think that could have been said of the other Nine? Do you think a priest could set up an idol, profane God's name, steal, lie or otherwise suspend any other commandment while in the temple, and be considered blameless?

What does that tell us about the object and scope of the Fourth one?
You misunderstand Matthew 12:5, and present an incorrect question, for you have removed it from the surrounding context. Let's see all three renditions in Matthew, Mark and Luke, in context.

Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.​
Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.​
Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;​
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?​
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?​
Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.​
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.​
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.​
Mar 2:23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.​
Mar 2:24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?​
Mar 2:25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?​
Mar 2:26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?​
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:​
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.​
Luk 6:1 And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.​
Luk 6:2 And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?​
Luk 6:3 And Jesus answering them said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungred, and they which were with him;​
Luk 6:4 How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?​
Luk 6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.​

[1] What day was it? It was the 7th day, the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1,2,8; Mark 2:23,24,27,28; Luke 6:1,2,5)

[2] Who was accusing whom? The Pharisees, since they didn't directly accuse Jesus, they accused His disciples (Matthew 12:2; Mark 2:24; Luke 6:2) by asking Jesus about their actions.

[3] What were the disciples doing, that the Pharisees accused them? They were walking out in nature, through a grain field, and became hungry and took some grain to eat (Matthew 12:1; Mark 2:23; Luke 6:1).

[4] Was it lawful, or unlawful to pluck grain on sabbath, in a field, and eat it? It was lawful (Deuteronomy 23:24-25).
Deu 23:24 When thou comest into thy neighbour's vineyard, then thou mayest eat grapes thy fill at thine own pleasure; but thou shalt not put any in thy vessel.​
Deu 23:25 When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbour, then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand; but thou shalt not move a sickle unto thy neighbour's standing corn.​

So the pharisees were not following 'the Law' (ie 'Moses') as it was written, but were accusing, based upon their own man-made regulations, and said what the disciples were doing was 'not lawful' (Matthew 12:2; Mark 2:24; Luke 6:2).

[5] How did Jesus respond to the Pharisees mistaken accusation? Jesus first provided the example of 'King' David (Matthew 12:3-4; Mark 2:25-26; Luke 6:3-4), followed by the 'priests' serving in the Temple to God (Matthew 12:5-6). This means Jesus spoke of the King-Priests, a holy royal nation of priests, which the disciples also were, who were serving Jesus (King, Priest, and greater Temple) in ministry on sabbath.

[6] Jesus is using their (pharisees) definition of 'unlawful' against them, and cites the scriptures in opposition to their oral tradition. God was merciful to David, his men and their need, when they were being persecuted for serving God by others, just as the Pharisees were doing to Jesus and the disciples right then. Additionally, Jesus is not saying that the priests in the Temple were actually desecrating the sabbath, but was using their (Pharisees) personal definition against them. The priests were actually "blameless". The Sabbath day, and command of God (Exodus 20:8-11) say that the sabbath is for Holy purpose ("to keep it holy", requires doing something, a holy work), and serving God in the temple, and keeping the body temple in service by eating on time when hungry is no sin, or violation of the actual command and Law of God (10 C).

[7] Jesus reiterates the innocence (non-sinful actions) of the disciples by saying, "But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless." (Matthew 12:7). Notice, Jesus states that the Pharisees had "condemned" the disciples who were "guiltless". In other words, the Pharisees were 'fault-finding', looking for any excuse to accuse the innocent. They were murderers breaking sabbath by accusing, as their father the devil does, and would rather the disciples suffer, simply to get at their LORD, MASTER - Jesus. He was their real target.

[8] The sabbath was made for the service of mankind (since the time of Adam the first, and especially for all in Adam the last, since the sabbath was really made for Jesus, and all in Him; Col 1:16; Mar. 2:27). There is nothing in the command of God (Exodus 20:8-11) that says a man (person of mankind) cannot eat from the field upon the sabbath day. The final phrase, and texts to follow, show that Jesus was not negating sabbath keeping, or justfying sinful actions, but was showing the Pharisees what actual sabbath keeping was like. He was giving rest back to the sabbath for them all, exemplifying how it ought to be kept by all. The Pharisees had loaded the sabbath down with a near endless list of man-made regulations, which in practice, actually caused people to transgress God's law (10 C).
 

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God isn't a God of lip service, false worship, or obstinate rejection of the things He said to do as revealed in the Bible.

My view is if your heart isn't right with God you can't serve Him in a way that is well-pleasing.
the only way to be saved is faith and trust in Christ,

He is the only way to the Father, there is no other way.

Command keeping will not work.

Sabbath keeping will not works.

doing good works will not work.

if one is not 100% trusting in Christ, they will miss the Kingdom.

no exceptions.
 

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Amen! If you’re not born again, adopted child of God through faith. Then you can keep the sabbath every day for the rest of your life. And it will not profit you one day in heaven
 
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You misunderstand Matthew 12:5, and present an incorrect question, for you have removed it from the surrounding context. Let's see all three renditions in Matthew, Mark and Luke, in context.

Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.​
Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.​
Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;​
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?​
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?​
Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.​
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.​
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.​
Mar 2:23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.​
Mar 2:24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?​
Mar 2:25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?​
Mar 2:26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?​
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:​
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.​
Luk 6:1 And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.​
Luk 6:2 And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?​
Luk 6:3 And Jesus answering them said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungred, and they which were with him;​
Luk 6:4 How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?​
Luk 6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.​

[1] What day was it? It was the 7th day, the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1,2,8; Mark 2:23,24,27,28; Luke 6:1,2,5)

[2] Who was accusing whom? The Pharisees, since they didn't directly accuse Jesus, they accused His disciples (Matthew 12:2; Mark 2:24; Luke 6:2) by asking Jesus about their actions.

[3] What were the disciples doing, that the Pharisees accused them? They were walking out in nature, through a grain field, and became hungry and took some grain to eat (Matthew 12:1; Mark 2:23; Luke 6:1).

[4] Was it lawful, or unlawful to pluck grain on sabbath, in a field, and eat it? It was lawful (Deuteronomy 23:24-25).
Deu 23:24 When thou comest into thy neighbour's vineyard, then thou mayest eat grapes thy fill at thine own pleasure; but thou shalt not put any in thy vessel.​
Deu 23:25 When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbour, then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand; but thou shalt not move a sickle unto thy neighbour's standing corn.​

So the pharisees were not following 'the Law' (ie 'Moses') as it was written, but were accusing, based upon their own man-made regulations, and said what the disciples were doing was 'not lawful' (Matthew 12:2; Mark 2:24; Luke 6:2).

[5] How did Jesus respond to the Pharisees mistaken accusation? Jesus first provided the example of 'King' David (Matthew 12:3-4; Mark 2:25-26; Luke 6:3-4), followed by the 'priests' serving in the Temple to God (Matthew 12:5-6). This means Jesus spoke of the King-Priests, a holy royal nation of priests, which the disciples also were, who were serving Jesus (King, Priest, and greater Temple) in ministry on sabbath.

[6] Jesus is using their (pharisees) definition of 'unlawful' against them, and cites the scriptures in opposition to their oral tradition. God was merciful to David, his men and their need, when they were being persecuted for serving God by others, just as the Pharisees were doing to Jesus and the disciples right then. Additionally, Jesus is not saying that the priests in the Temple were actually desecrating the sabbath, but was using their (Pharisees) personal definition against them. The priests were actually "blameless". The Sabbath day, and command of God (Exodus 20:8-11) say that the sabbath is for Holy purpose ("to keep it holy", requires doing something, a holy work), and serving God in the temple, and keeping the body temple in service by eating on time when hungry is no sin, or violation of the actual command and Law of God (10 C).

[7] Jesus reiterates the innocence (non-sinful actions) of the disciples by saying, "But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless." (Matthew 12:7). Notice, Jesus states that the Pharisees had "condemned" the disciples who were "guiltless". In other words, the Pharisees were 'fault-finding', looking for any excuse to accuse the innocent. They were murderers breaking sabbath by accusing, as their father the devil does, and would rather the disciples suffer, simply to get at their LORD, MASTER - Jesus. He was their real target.

[8] The sabbath was made for the service of mankind (since the time of Adam the first, and especially for all in Adam the last, since the sabbath was really made for Jesus, and all in Him; Col 1:16; Mar. 2:27). There is nothing in the command of God (Exodus 20:8-11) that says a man (person of mankind) cannot eat from the field upon the sabbath day. The final phrase, and texts to follow, show that Jesus was not negating sabbath keeping, or justfying sinful actions, but was showing the Pharisees what actual sabbath keeping was like. He was giving rest back to the sabbath for them all, exemplifying how it ought to be kept by all. The Pharisees had loaded the sabbath down with a near endless list of man-made regulations, which in practice, actually caused people to transgress God's law (10 C).
My question was about what Christ said of the priests, not of His disciples, or of the Pharisees. The priests were doing their regular work on the sabbath, and were blameless. And Christ did not say 'desecrate,' He said, 'profane,' which means to make common. The Temple was a seven-day operation, meaning the sabbath wasn't anything special for the priest. It was just like any other day of the week in the Temple.

So, to repeat my question: If a priest could not lie, steal, or raise an idol in the Temple, and be blameless, yet do their regular work in the Temple on the sabbath, what does that tell us of the nature of the Fourth Commandment?

You got a good start with this:

The Sabbath day, and command of God (Exodus 20:8-11) say that the sabbath is for Holy purpose ("to keep it holy", requires doing something, a holy work), and serving God in the temple, and keeping the body temple in service by eating on time when hungry is no sin, or violation of the actual command and Law of God
Do you care to expound further?
 
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Amen! If you’re not born again, adopted child of God through faith. Then you can keep the sabbath every day for the rest of your life. And it will not profit you one day in heaven
A person cannot keep the Sabbath of the LORD, the LORD's day, the 7th day, in truth, unless they are in Christ Jesus. The Pharisees weren't actually keeping the day, but were violating the commandment.
 
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It was just like any other day of the week in the Temple.
No. There are special requirements on sabbath for the priest, just like anyone else. It was not "just like any other day of the week".

Holy work ("keep it holy"), can be carried on during any day of the week, not just the 7th day, but especially on the 7th day. Common labour could not be carried on during the sabbath. The priests work was "holy", not common, labour. They wore "holy" garments. They, as they stood in God's presence, stood upon "holy" ground. So, no, nothing of it was "common". That is you simply citing 'you' rather than scripture.

Num 28:9 And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof:​
Num 28:10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.​
Exo_31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.​
Lev_2:10 And that which is left of the meat offering shall be Aaron's and his sons': it is a thing most holy of the offerings of the LORD made by fire.​
Lev_6:17 It shall not be baken with leaven. I have given it unto them for their portion of my offerings made by fire; it is most holy, as is the sin offering, and as the trespass offering.​
Lev_6:18 All the males among the children of Aaron shall eat of it. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations concerning the offerings of the LORD made by fire: every one that toucheth them shall be holy.​
Lev_6:25 Speak unto Aaron and to his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the LORD: it is most holy.​
Lev_6:27 Whatsoever shall touch the flesh thereof shall be holy: and when there is sprinkled of the blood thereof upon any garment, thou shalt wash that whereon it was sprinkled in the holy place.​
Lev_6:29 All the males among the priests shall eat thereof: it is most holy.​
Lev_7:1 Likewise this is the law of the trespass offering: it is most holy.​
Lev_7:6 Every male among the priests shall eat thereof: it shall be eaten in the holy place: it is most holy.​

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If a priest could not lie, steal, or raise an idol in the Temple, and be blameless, yet do their regular work in the Temple on the sabbath, what does that tell us of the nature of the Fourth Commandment?
Your question is flawed and carries an incorrect a priori bias (yours).

The priest's work in the Temple was never "regular work" (aka common), but always "holy". As I stated, you do not understand Matthew 12, nor Jesus' reasoning there.

If the Pharisees had for a moment thought Jesus was actually teaching to break the sabbath, or that He could simply command above it, they would have had reason then and there to arrest him and take him to trial before the Sanhedrin. Yet, in every instance, they could find nothing in his actions or words to condemn him, which is why they needed false witnesses later. Jesus even provided 2 scriptural examples which refuted their false understandings and man-made laws which violated God's words.
 
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You got a good start with this:

The Sabbath day, and command of God (Exodus 20:8-11) say that the sabbath is for Holy purpose ("to keep it holy", requires doing something, a holy work), and serving God in the temple, and keeping the body temple in service by eating on time when hungry is no sin, or violation of the actual command and Law of God
Luk_19:22 "And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, ..."
 

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..if one is not 100% trusting in Christ, they will miss the Kingdom.

no exceptions.
Amen! Either we are trusting 100% in Jesus Christ as the ALL-SUFFICIENT means of our salvation or else we are 100% lost. (John 3:18; 10:9; 14:6; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9 etc..).
 

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Just curious if anyone observes the Sabbath. It seems like some people do and some people don’t, citing a variety of reasons.

Are there any clear commands to observe a Sabbath rest on the seventh day of the week? Which verses? I ask because I see there are clear commands to observe some of the 10 commandments, but I can’t find anything about Jesus or one of the apostles commanding anyone to keep the Sabbath.

Personally I don’t observe Sabbath day of rest as of right now, but I’ve considered it and I’m not opposed to it.

Also, if you keep the Sabbath, what do you do and don’t do on your Sabbath day of rest?
On the Sabbath... If it rains, and your roof is leaking, you can't go on the roof and put up a tarp to keep it from leaking.
 

Esteban99

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Just curious if anyone observes the Sabbath. It seems like some people do and some people don’t, citing a variety of reasons.

Are there any clear commands to observe a Sabbath rest on the seventh day of the week? Which verses? I ask because I see there are clear commands to observe some of the 10 commandments, but I can’t find anything about Jesus or one of the apostles commanding anyone to keep the Sabbath.

Personally I don’t observe Sabbath day of rest as of right now, but I’ve considered it and I’m not opposed to it.

Also, if you keep the Sabbath, what do you do and don’t do on your Sabbath day of rest?
If you dog poops or barfs on the floor in your house on the sabbath, you can't clean it up on the Sabbath.
 
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If you dog poops or barfs on the floor in your house on the sabbath, you can't clean it up on the Sabbath.
I’m not sure if that’s a joke or not because I’m not sure what you’re like, but welcome to the forum anyway. :giggle:

Curious as to your reasoning. Where do you see Jesus forbade doing anything like cleaning your house on the Sabbath?
 

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I’m not sure if that’s a joke or not because I’m not sure what you’re like, but welcome to the forum anyway. :giggle:

Curious as to your reasoning. Where do you see Jesus forbade doing anything like cleaning your house on the Sabbath?
Don't take your Oxen out of the rain... you can't do any work on the Sabbath. If you are truly observing the Sabbath.
 
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Don't take your Oxen out of the rain... you can't do any work on the Sabbath. If you are truly observing the Sabbath.
Honestly no idea what you’re talking about. Jesus didn’t forbid working on the Sabbath.
 
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@Esteban99 , if I am understanding you correctly, you seem to think that the Sabbath is like what the Pharisees were teaching it to be.

They had basically turned into the Sabbath Police and if someone picked up something heavy they were in trouble.

Or if someone gathered food, performed healings, etc then they were law breakers.

Jesus came and expanded on many things, including anger, vows, adultery, among many other things; Jesus also expanded on the Sabbath.

What you need to know is that our lives are important. Therefore it’s fine to do things that are good for us on the Sabbath. Jesus said so himself.

Matthew 12
12How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
 
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the only way to be saved is faith and trust in Christ,

He is the only way to the Father, there is no other way.

Command keeping will not work.

Sabbath keeping will not works.

doing good works will not work.

if one is not 100% trusting in Christ, they will miss the Kingdom.

no exceptions.
Do you know what Jesus being Lord means? Do you call him Lord and don’t do the things he said to do? It seems you got the head knowledge part down, but you don’t seem to really believe any of it. If you really believed what Jesus had said to do then you wouldn’t oppose his Sabbath at every turn.

You really need to understand what it means for Jesus to be your Lord and what you need to do as a subordinate. It’s actually a critical part of the faith you lay claim to.

Like Romans 10:9 says, confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord. That doesn’t mean you just utter the words “Jesus is Lord.” This means you’re confessing Jesus is your master and you’re his obedient servant. It’s tied 100% to salvation.
 
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On the Sabbath... If it rains, and your roof is leaking, you can't go on the roof and put up a tarp to keep it from leaking.
That is nowhere in scripture.

A long while ago, on sabbath, at a church, which has several glass window doors, a child got over exicted and broke the main door window glass, and it was all over the entry way, and the child injured themselves (not too badly, but enough to need some medical care, in clean up and bandages). Children were still around, and plenty of adults. What should be done? Leave the child bleeding and injured and crying? Leave the broken glass all over the place, and allow someone else to be injured? Of course not. God desire mercy, not sacrifice, and it is lawful to do good (morally right) on the sabbath, and help the child, and clean up the dangerous materials, and sweep it up, and seal off the window, so lesser creatures cannot enter into the LORD's house.

Mat_12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.