No Bible-believing Christian should believe that, but our resident Judaizer apparently believes it.
It's frightening to see him warning others here when, according to Paul, he is accursed for preaching another gospel which is no gospel at all.
Do you observe the Sabbath?
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It's frightening to see him warning others here when, according to Paul, he is accursed for preaching another gospel which is no gospel at all.
Again, the 613 does not all apply to one single man or woman. Are you a Levite priest? Are you a farmer? Are you of both sexes, there are rules that apply to women but not to men and vice a versa? There are commandments for marriage and divorce. Do those apply to you? It seems to me , IMHO, that some are kicking at the pricks as hard as they can in hopes that those pricks doesnt hit them back. Just be wise about all of the WORD. It really does make people's fruit show of whether or not they are reading the WORD and how they apply the WORD in their walk.
I know you are wondering what do I obey and don't obey? It's a learning process...I study a lot and pray a lot. I was a denominational church going Christian baptized at the age of 6, who celebrated Valentine's Day, Halloween, Christmas and Easter (Saturday sports events for the children) in all the traditional trappings of these non-biblical holidays. I am free and the commandments are not greivous/burdensome.
Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
I never said that a Christian need to be circumcised in the foreskin of their flesh, unless they want to participate in Passover according the the Torah.
What is sin?
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Deu 6:1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
Deu 6:2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
Deu 6:3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deu 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Deu 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
Deu 6:9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
You may not have realized it yet, but Jesus is the God of the Old Testament. He is not separate from the Old Testament. In order to be a sinless, perfect lamb for our sacrifice He had to not sin and we are expected to walk as He walked. When you put the beginning bofore then ending, you get the whole truth and nothing but the truth because there is no contradictions in the WORD and Paul understood the correct understanding that the circumcision party were all about the ORAL Traditions and making void and nullifying God's WORD with their traditions.
Deu 6:1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
Deu 6:2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
Deu 6:3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deu 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Deu 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
Deu 6:9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
You may not have realized it yet, but Jesus is the God of the Old Testament. He is not separate from the Old Testament. In order to be a sinless, perfect lamb for our sacrifice He had to not sin and we are expected to walk as He walked. When you put the beginning bofore then ending, you get the whole truth and nothing but the truth because there is no contradictions in the WORD and Paul understood the correct understanding that the circumcision party were all about the ORAL Traditions and making void and nullifying God's WORD with their traditions.
I know what you said:
In reality, however, YOU ARE DOUBLY CURSED.
Yes, you're CURSED for putting yourself under the law, and you're CURSED for preaching "another gospel".
Now, are you going to repent, or should I tighten the screws a little bit more before you wind up in hell as a DOUBLY CURSED individual?
Again, you said:
You said that "Jesus was circumcised" and that if we don't "walk, even as he walked", then we're "disobedient" and "heading down the broad path that leads to destruction". You also said that we're "vipers and rebellious ones" and that we're "blind and deaf".
In reality, however, YOU ARE DOUBLY CURSED.
Yes, you're CURSED for putting yourself under the law, and you're CURSED for preaching "another gospel".
Now, are you going to repent, or should I tighten the screws a little bit more before you wind up in hell as a DOUBLY CURSED individual?
I told YOU the other day that I'm well aware that Jesus was "the Rock" that followed the children of Israel in their wilderness journeys and that they were tempting or provoking him with their sins, so why are you telling me that I might not have realized this yet?
Do you even read people's responses when you ask them a direct question and they take the time to answer you?
Let's try this again, and try to give straightforward answers this time around.
Do you believe that Christians need to keep the Feasts outlined in the Old Testament?
Yes or no?
If "yes", then how do they keep them?
Do you believe that Christians need to be circumcised in the foreskin of their flesh?
Yes or no?
No double-talk and no back-pedaling.
Thanks.
I think that is between you and the LORD, whether you/Christians keep the Feasts oulined in the OT. I'm not going to tell you that you have to do something or anything. The WORD is quite clear.
You certainly are an evasive one. That alone speaks volumes.
Please do condescend for a moment, and tell us "deaf and blind" ones what the WORD clearly says in relation to my questions.
If you're going to evade my questions again, then just continue down your path to hell without even wasting any more of my time.
Mat_5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat_5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
I understand, I have the same problem on how to keep the sabbath, but i do honor the sabbath as much as i can (saturday not sunday), i do rest, and read the bible on that day as much as possible. I am not Jewish so I do not follow all their rules, I keep it simple, rest, no work (unless in an emergency) and meditate/pray! the work Jesus did on the sabbath was very holy, it does not count as ""work"" the pharisees blamed Jesus but they were so wrong to do so. GOD knows mens hearts all we need to do is do his will and follow the moral law, the 10 commandments.
Blessings be upon you brother.
JF
You're DOUBLY CURSED, and not "blessed", and that's no one's fault but your own.
Galatians chapter 1
[6] I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
[7] Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
[8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
[9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Again:
Galatians chapter 3
[10] For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Runningman, one thing I learned as I read the Word, is that Jesus could not be our living sacrifice if he was blemished or a sinner. So when the "haters" accused Jesus of working on the Sabbath, Jesus was not sinning, it was the "haters" who were sinning with their oral traditions and many fences added to the WORD so as to make it so difficult that even they couldn't abide by their own rules they made up. Jesus was not going along with the good old boys, but because Jesus is God of the OT, Jesus dictated to Moses the commandments and they are not just for the Jews but was intended for all nations. The House of Judah kept both the oral and written commandments, but because of their oral traditions they have voided the WORD/made it nullified. Jesus/Rabbi/teacher/master has the authority to elevate the WORD for a clearer and better understanding. For example, when Jesus said
Mat_5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat_5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
This is Jesus clarifying the instruction Thou shalt not commit adultery.
When Jesus and the disciples were walking through the corn field on the Sabbath, and were hungry, they plucked and then ate right then. This is not harvesting, which would be considered work that could be done on the other 6 days of the week.
If a man has an ox in the ditch, should he not pull the ox out of the ditch? The life is elevated above the day.
These are just samples of ways to observe and not observe the Sabbath, in order to keep it Holy and aligned with the WORD.
Psa_119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.
The Sabbath was given at creation. Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:
It was written on stone with the other 9 commandments. Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Jesus kept it perfectly. Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
And it was kept after Jesus's Death and resurrection. Act 13:14 .....and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down
Act 13:42 .....the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
It is clear that we do not earn salvation by keeping the law, but it is also clear that those that love Jesus will keep the law.
The law is kept not to be saved but because you are saved. The Sabbath is part of that law.
Psa_40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
Rom_7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
It was written on stone with the other 9 commandments. Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Jesus kept it perfectly. Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
And it was kept after Jesus's Death and resurrection. Act 13:14 .....and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down
Act 13:42 .....the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
It is clear that we do not earn salvation by keeping the law, but it is also clear that those that love Jesus will keep the law.
The law is kept not to be saved but because you are saved. The Sabbath is part of that law.
Psa_40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
Rom_7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
You said it to plain and without biblical authority.
Who would expect God to issue commandments and then issue a dictum not requiring compliance?
I don't think you meant to say that...?
Here we go again...new age religion ...speaks.
What is wrong with circumcision now?
Yes....many do.
In addition to the biblical aspect ..... ask the doctor...cleanliness issue.
there are two laws (which you will not see)
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Laws were given after sin happened, Laws that do not define sin but help to prevent and help to understand the solution for sin.
"circumcission is a good exanmple".
The Jews were under these laws for many years as a nation and they were to be practised until the seed should come (Jesus).
You put thre moral laws as part of the cerimonial laws, this results in confussion about which laws remain and which laws are abolished at the cross and which laws are a curse.
Do you steal, or murder, or transgress any of the other 9 commandments?
For the same moral motive that i choose not to Steal, i choose to remmember the Sabbath. Am i cursed?
The fact that we can not be saved by the law ment Jesus had to die.
If we could have been saved by keeping the law then Jesus died for no reason.
This tells me that the law is set fast and unchanging.
If God could have changed the law and made it void even for a short time then we would not need a saviour and we would be free from sin. But because the moral law is unchangable ment that we needed salvation from sin.
Sin is the transgression of the law.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
If we could have been saved by keeping the law then Jesus died for no reason.
This tells me that the law is set fast and unchanging.
If God could have changed the law and made it void even for a short time then we would not need a saviour and we would be free from sin. But because the moral law is unchangable ment that we needed salvation from sin.
Sin is the transgression of the law.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Jesus sacrificed on the cross because God knew you and I would be challenged to keep the law ...but, where is the effort? That's His interest.
We notice in Job...God doesn't say Job was perfect but, that Job was a perfect servant. If we model after Job with righteous effort...God will be pleased because we will be a perfect servant.
Not hard at all.