If you know your church history, the Council of Trent was in response to the Reformation. The Lutherans wrote the Book of Concord and the RCC responded with the decrees from the Council of Trent. As so often happens, what was written was in response to what other people were saying. It then becomes a case of interpreting what was written. Opponents will, of course, interpret the written word in the least offensive way so as to show how terrible the writing is and how good their words are. Supporters will interpret the same words in a gracious fashion but see all kinds of errors in the writings of their opponents. It is the way humans, Christian or not, tend to address disputes (especially if the disputes are among an "in group", need to keep the "in group" as small as possible, just be certain to include yourself). The history of such behavior in Christianity goes back to at least the 50's CE, or roughly two decades after the resurrection.
Do you know what your protesting
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If you know your church history, the Council of Trent was in response to the Reformation. The Lutherans wrote the Book of Concord and the RCC responded with the decrees from the Council of Trent. As so often happens, what was written was in response to what other people were saying. It then becomes a case of interpreting what was written. Opponents will, of course, interpret the written word in the least offensive way so as to show how terrible the writing is and how good their words are. Supporters will interpret the same words in a gracious fashion but see all kinds of errors in the writings of their opponents. It is the way humans, Christian or not, tend to address disputes (especially if the disputes are among an "in group", need to keep the "in group" as small as possible, just be certain to include yourself). The history of such behavior in Christianity goes back to at least the 50's CE, or roughly two decades after the resurrection.
the council of Trent happend in the mid 1500s when at the time through out the 1400s and 1500s the Catholic church lost a lot of confidence from people, they where guilty of many bad acts in that period, which I would rather not bring to light, such as inquisition. Amongst many more, and many of its cardinals broke away.
So the council of Trent was about addressing many bad internal affairs to, and not just the opposing views of those questioning there views on salvation and justification, which one of the big reasons, was a person can't have full belief in full that jesus has washed away there sins, with the Catholic view point on salvation and justification, has to be earned.
But today from our reformed church fathers of people in the know, it's about fighting to have the council of Trent and a lot of it's dogmas removed, that came about in a dark period, but they won't.
Makes you think there a dictatorship, but that's further proof when we see people dictating with there views here everyday,
Which is not what Christianity is all about.
To be honest even if somebody is aware there supporting the RCC church im not concerned, I'm more concerned by people not telling us they are,
Not on grounds I know they are, but on the grounds do you know what your supporting when you support radical roman Catholic doctrine. Concerning free will justification faith alone forgiveness of sins, there interpretation of reformed faith, all there classic lies about our church fathers like Augustine Luther John Calvin.
Hence the title of the thread, do you know what your protecting and protesting, I wouldn't be concerned one bit if you said I'm a Roman Catholic, and started telling me your beliefs.
What I would be concerned about is your understandings. And even then I won't dislike what you're saying to much unless you start getting aggressive.
What I'm concerned by mostly tho is coming to a full understanding of faith and faiths by sharing faith, i would be more appreciative if people just openly shared there belief. I even feel I can learn from the Catholic faith,
People can tell me something and l, generally I can tell if they know it to be true with all conviction, by asking questions in a way that isn't making them look daft, I even overlook mistakes all time knowing people are believing something out of believing a understanding about dogma incorrectly.
And if you get enough people saying the same dogma you will eventually get more and more people believing the dogma.
It soon becomes a virus, you eat the fly and become the fly.
The "IN" that I am referring to is "... faith IN the son of God" ... rather than the " I live NOW in the flesh, by the FAITH OF the Son of God"
I'm certain you do know the difference between Of & In .. I'm referring to why the Roman Anti-Christ Church would change the wording of most modern English Bible translations, from what they should read, as in Galatians 2:20, Romans 3:22, Revelation 14:14, ( they should read the Faith OF, not IN)
Romans 3:22 (NIV)
This righteousness is given through faith IN Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile.
Romans 3:22 KJV:
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith OF Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Galatians 3:22 (NIV)
But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith IN Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
Galatians 3:22 (KJV)
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith OF Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Jordan, ... I pray that you will understand, the importance of these corruptions of scripture, fomented by the anti-Christ Church, to deceive us all... to lead us into perdition.
... as I and many others believe, the reason the RCC changed ( corrupted) the understandings of Christ's Righteousness by Faith, to a self-righteousness by faith, was to teach us a works based religion, ( NOT taught in the Bible) where we are saved by our works, our merit (self-righteousness) rather than Christ's merit, Jesus' work on the Cross, by His Faith (His-Righteousness), in the Father.
And you can be very certain, that we can NOT be saved, by our own righteousness, because it is "as filthy rags". Isaiah 64:6
Satan has us, just where he likes ... replacing Jesus' Righteousness, with our own ... Which is where I see in the religious world today.
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Yes ! I'm very concerned about how people are believing and relying on their own Righteousness for salvation, rather than the Righteousness of Christ.
Many very intelligent people have been deceived by Satan, and have become STUPID ! This is not "stupid" as in ignorance, but stupid as in being indoctrinated into a certain belief system that has us, not believing Jesus and everything He has said in scripture, as Truth.
This short video explains how this works;
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All knowledge about things about God and what He does is based on faith. Faith is not
I see my post got truncated. All knowledge about God is ultimately based on faith, even if you reference the Bible, you are accepting what the Bible says on faith. Faith is not certain knowledge, ir it was it would not be faith.
What is encountered in the clash with the RCC over salvation is a difference in emphasis. The RCC follows James not Paul and emphasizes "faith without works is dead". The Reformers follow Paul and emphasize grace by faith" rather than works. Both positions miss the mark with over emphasis on one side of the equation.
What is encountered in the clash with the RCC over salvation is a difference in emphasis. The RCC follows James not Paul and emphasizes "faith without works is dead". The Reformers follow Paul and emphasize grace by faith" rather than works. Both positions miss the mark with over emphasis on one side of the equation.
I understand that to live of the faith Jesus Christ is to live by the gift of his faith internally.
To live in the faith of Jesus Christ is to live without the gift of faith internally.
Is this better
there's a lot more to it than this.
The Romans catholics declaration of Trent ultimately means romans 2 means a person born again can't believe they're sins have been washed clean even before they die.
But yet the Roman Catholics leave this out, which as you know is just shortly after Romans 2
James 4:15
New International Version
15 Instead, you ought to say, “If it is the Lord’s will, we will live and do this or that.”
so he was a good theologian then in one sense, but also questionable in another,
Is it best to live in solitude, I suppose I need to ask, what happens if I took that approach my whole life, could i miss something, like not Having my own stupidly answered, for instance being stupid is not stupid, but a lack of ability to surrender to intelligence.
Could I be stupid by surrendering to my own solitude, that by not being made to come out of own comfort zone by someone else's theology, I will listen to my own first.
We justify are own stupidity because we want personal identify, and we want a belonging, so we don't surrender to intelligence that brings us out of our own identity and feelings of belonging.
On that bases could I not be surrendering to solitude for a wrong reason.
Under Christ, being a catholic or a protestant is virtually no different than being a U.S. or russian citizen.
Faith in his name and observing his commandments are all that matters.
Romans 13:8—
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Don't be carried away by various and strange teachings, for it is good that the heart be established by grace, not by foods, through those who were so occupied were not benefited.
Faith in his name and observing his commandments are all that matters.
Romans 13:8—
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Don't be carried away by various and strange teachings, for it is good that the heart be established by grace, not by foods, through those who were so occupied were not benefited.
protestant is also what a Catholic can be.
The word protestant Basically means to question ceph
It's been a while how's things going ? Hope you've met your burning bush by now,
I've been going good, but not in the sense I immediately feel. I used to be less pure before, and now I'm more pure, but there's still a heaviness on my heart.protestant is also what a Catholic can be.
The word protestant Basically means to question ceph
It's been a while how's things going ? Hope you've met your burning bush by now,
As for my burning bush, I've been standing before it for a while now. Sometimes I run from the rod in my hand. Sonetimes I bargain with doubts, and ask to send someone else.
a burning bush mean meeting a soul mate like a wife being referred to as your burning bush.
Burning bush also means,
who was your burning bush that led you to to Christ. Would it be your would be wife or family members or a friend,
But it's interesting you brought up your conscience being made more pure over time, the speaker of opening post speaks of that all the time.
And it is important to this whole discussion of how where Justified and can gain assurance
Ah, I don't know if I'll ever get over the last few ladies I've met. I still think about the one I met when I was 18, and I still mope about the one I met over a year ago. Then there's my ni**a who's name was the iraqi word for 'sun'. where u at?
I'm really don't think my heart can take another attatchment & loss, especially since these girls were my only freinds, so I haven't much struggled to find any new one; I've moreso hoped for some miraculous reconciliation with the old ones.
I can't say anyone in particular led me to Christ, except Christ himself. My earliest 'big' memory with God was shouting at him that he was stupid and dumb, trying to get him to send a tidal wave on the beach I was on when I was about 4 years old. My parents were christian, and had me baptized as a baby, so the seed of God was always sown in me. I considered myself athiest when I was 12, and when I was 14, I by chance saw a political thing which included Christ, drawing me back to him.
(I come by the way of 4chan. If you know you know, but please don't visit that site if you don't. It's mostly NSFW and wicked.)
That being said, It's an entirely supernatural force that's made me how I am. If it was left up to the people around me alone, I more than likely wouldn't be saved.
I had those issues at first, i actually decided to spilt up with a someone before she split up with me, because I said I was leaving and she wouldnt come with, I decided she was going to be like my first teenage sweet heart, who split with me,
So I decided to split with before i got splitted, it broke her heart for months coz she didn't know what she had done wrong,
It's case of being rejected of the heart that cause the most pain, I thought I'm not going through that again,
To my suprise she found me 1 year later, and we have been together since, but because of the hurt we had a turbulent relationship, because I had caused her insecurity, she was always scared I would leave her again, it hit her pretty hard,
But she did eventually get over it but it took her years.
That's beautiful.
I never stop calculating and presuming the ways I could reboot or settle things with as little abrasion as possible.
As old as it makes me feel, it never gets old enough to my heart for it to want to quit.