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“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father,
the Word,
and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
1 John 5:7 KJV
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:24 KJV
“And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.”
Luke 23:46 KJV
“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
Galatians 4:6
“Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
2 Corinthians 3:17-18
“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.”
Romans 8:14-17 KJV
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”
Romans 8:9
“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”
1 Corinthians 3:16 KJV
“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
Galatians 4:6
Notice even though it says the spirit of God , the spirit of Christ , the spirit of Gods son , the holy ghost it’s always talking about the one spirit of God that is the n all of his children including the only begotten son
“For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”
1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV
jesus the son is one with the Father and the Holy Ghost is his spirit
the Holy Ghost is Gods living spirit it is Christs spirit the spirit of the father is in the sons of God .
Jesus spirit is God the fathers spirit what we read titled the Holy Ghost that’s Gods spirit Christs spirit there’s just the one God who has just the one Holy Spirit he had made us to be partakers of that one spirit who ere in Christ
the Word,
and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
1 John 5:7 KJV
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:24 KJV
“And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.”
Luke 23:46 KJV
“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
Galatians 4:6
“Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
2 Corinthians 3:17-18
“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.”
Romans 8:14-17 KJV
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”
Romans 8:9
“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”
1 Corinthians 3:16 KJV
“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
Galatians 4:6
Notice even though it says the spirit of God , the spirit of Christ , the spirit of Gods son , the holy ghost it’s always talking about the one spirit of God that is the n all of his children including the only begotten son
“For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”
1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV
jesus the son is one with the Father and the Holy Ghost is his spirit
the Holy Ghost is Gods living spirit it is Christs spirit the spirit of the father is in the sons of God .
Jesus spirit is God the fathers spirit what we read titled the Holy Ghost that’s Gods spirit Christs spirit there’s just the one God who has just the one Holy Spirit he had made us to be partakers of that one spirit who ere in Christ
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well brother I truly am a fool is the thing always have been but at the point I realized I was , I began to hear and learn what Jesus had to say to me
“Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.”
1 Corinthians 3:18 KJV
knowing what im truly a fool has opened me up to getting to know Jesus who came to save the fools like myself who would desperately believe in him
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I don't agree your a fool, far from it, blessed I would say..
It concerns me more about your feelings on the matter,
I believe your more focused on the meaning than the actual practice.
I found it interesting you talked about baptism with the last supper it made me think.
I thought you where tying the two together.
I was wondering if you thought you should participate in communion of the last supper befor getting baptized.
Or whether you where saying the two should be honoured the same way.
It concerns me more about your feelings on the matter,
I believe your more focused on the meaning than the actual practice.
I found it interesting you talked about baptism with the last supper it made me think.
I thought you where tying the two together.
I was wondering if you thought you should participate in communion of the last supper befor getting baptized.
Or whether you where saying the two should be honoured the same way.
Yes we have to look at the big picture. over time with the knowledge or insight given to us trough the Holy Spirit, we understand more as long as we let ourselves open to knowledge and are not stubborn we can move forward and grow in love and spirit and knowledge as God wills it. All is from the Lord, our Salvation from Yeshua the messiah, son of God. I love Yeshua with all my heart.
When I read the epistles of John, Matthew Luke and Mark, I stepped into a new world full of possibilities. What a revelation I had! Everything I did not understand then came into focus. At last, I had peace! The words of Jesus are of the utmost importance for me also, I cherish them.
We are like babes learning to walk. We have much more to learn, many things still a mistery but all will be revealed in time when we are ready. One day the true beleivers will see GOD.
Blessings.
When I read the epistles of John, Matthew Luke and Mark, I stepped into a new world full of possibilities. What a revelation I had! Everything I did not understand then came into focus. At last, I had peace! The words of Jesus are of the utmost importance for me also, I cherish them.
We are like babes learning to walk. We have much more to learn, many things still a mistery but all will be revealed in time when we are ready. One day the true beleivers will see GOD.
Blessings.
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of interest:
both unleavened and leavened bread are required for a peace offering of thanksgiving -
Leviticus 7:11-14
This [is] the law of the sacrifice of peace offerings which he shall offer to the LORD:
If he offers it for a thanksgiving, then he shall offer, with the sacrifice of thanksgiving, unleavened cakes mixed with oil, unleavened wafers anointed with oil, or cakes of blended flour mixed with oil.
Besides the cakes, [as] his offering he shall offer leavened bread with the sacrifice of thanksgiving of his peace offering. And from it he shall offer one cake from each offering [as] a heave offering to the LORD.
It shall belong to the priest who sprinkles the blood of the peace offering.
both unleavened and leavened bread are required for a peace offering of thanksgiving -
Leviticus 7:11-14
This [is] the law of the sacrifice of peace offerings which he shall offer to the LORD:
If he offers it for a thanksgiving, then he shall offer, with the sacrifice of thanksgiving, unleavened cakes mixed with oil, unleavened wafers anointed with oil, or cakes of blended flour mixed with oil.
Besides the cakes, [as] his offering he shall offer leavened bread with the sacrifice of thanksgiving of his peace offering. And from it he shall offer one cake from each offering [as] a heave offering to the LORD.
It shall belong to the priest who sprinkles the blood of the peace offering.
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“The Lord's Supper is indeed important.”
yeah I agree with this , people would realize that more if we shared scripture more than our thoughts because scriptire makes it clear that it’s important and it even explains that it has real tangible impact on groups of believers
Like that chapter there the whole chi pater is making a really strong point in the end of it we see how it’s actually tangible important matter we should look more into so we can better understand it
“Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
( that’s really plain and strong language by Paul and he then begins to show its impact on them tangibly )
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. ( do it as a group together reflecting upon the lords body and blood wait for everyone to donut together don’t eat individually because your hungry ) And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.”
1 Corinthians 11:27-34 KJV
really Paul’s addressing an important matter here for the church he began by scolding them for coming together and eating from hunger and getting drunk treating communion in an unworthy manner as if it’s just a common party of feast not done on reverence and faith reflecting on Christs sacrifice for each of us and all of us together also
He began here scolding them
“For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.”
1 Corinthians 11:18-22 KJV
He ends teaching then how to properly take communion and explains a lot about what it means and why we take it and it does have real impact on groups of Christian’s even thier health can be affected if they take communion the wrong way ,
By not judging themselves , examining thier own lives confessing thier sins , recognizing Jesus died for hen gave his flesh and blood to save them , arguing and condemning each other divisions and strife always , coming together getting drunk on wine and eating normal dinner from hunger not recognizing Jesus sacrifice ect
aid the group is like that there’s no point eating of bread and sipping of the cup of communion it’s actually drinking and eating condemnation on ourselves like Paul says there
my point is we learn alot when we let Paul say what he’s saying and teach what he’s teaching , sharing and ddiscussing the scriptures and what they actually say is what opens up our mind and heart to faith things like communion are actions based on faith based on what Jesus said and did
yeah I agree with this , people would realize that more if we shared scripture more than our thoughts because scriptire makes it clear that it’s important and it even explains that it has real tangible impact on groups of believers
Like that chapter there the whole chi pater is making a really strong point in the end of it we see how it’s actually tangible important matter we should look more into so we can better understand it
“Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
( that’s really plain and strong language by Paul and he then begins to show its impact on them tangibly )
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. ( do it as a group together reflecting upon the lords body and blood wait for everyone to donut together don’t eat individually because your hungry ) And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.”
1 Corinthians 11:27-34 KJV
really Paul’s addressing an important matter here for the church he began by scolding them for coming together and eating from hunger and getting drunk treating communion in an unworthy manner as if it’s just a common party of feast not done on reverence and faith reflecting on Christs sacrifice for each of us and all of us together also
He began here scolding them
“For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.”
1 Corinthians 11:18-22 KJV
He ends teaching then how to properly take communion and explains a lot about what it means and why we take it and it does have real impact on groups of Christian’s even thier health can be affected if they take communion the wrong way ,
By not judging themselves , examining thier own lives confessing thier sins , recognizing Jesus died for hen gave his flesh and blood to save them , arguing and condemning each other divisions and strife always , coming together getting drunk on wine and eating normal dinner from hunger not recognizing Jesus sacrifice ect
aid the group is like that there’s no point eating of bread and sipping of the cup of communion it’s actually drinking and eating condemnation on ourselves like Paul says there
my point is we learn alot when we let Paul say what he’s saying and teach what he’s teaching , sharing and ddiscussing the scriptures and what they actually say is what opens up our mind and heart to faith things like communion are actions based on faith based on what Jesus said and did
Your example is not the same commeration as the Passover. Leavened bread, which is bread containing yeast, is forbidden during Passover because God gave Moses instructions to avoid yeast during the first Passover in Egypt and remove all yeast while celebrating Passover in the future.
God specifically commanded that only unleavened bread would be eaten during the Passover commeration. Exodus 12:
This day will be a day of remembrance for you, which your future generations will celebrate with pilgrimage to the LORD; you will celebrate it as a statute forever. For seven days you must eat unleavened bread. From the very first day you will have your houses clear of all leaven. For whoever eats leavened bread from the first day to the seventh will be cut off* from Israel.
Pottersclay, your post is totally incorrect.
Leavened bread, which is bread containing yeast, is forbidden during Passover because God gave Moses instructions to avoid yeast during the first Passover in Egypt and remove all yeast while celebrating Passover in the future.
God specifically commanded that only unleavened bread would be eaten during the Passover commeration. Exodus 12:
This day will be a day of remembrance for you, which your future generations will celebrate with pilgrimage to the LORD; you will celebrate it as a statute forever. For seven days you must eat unleavened bread. From the very first day you will have your houses clear of all leaven. For whoever eats leavened bread from the first day to the seventh will be cut off* from Israel.
Yes brother that’s a physical pattern leaven isn’t really leaven Jesus spoke spiritual things the law is about physical
Pattern of those things
“And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.”
Mark 8:15
“therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.”
1 Corinthians 5:8 KJV
remember the shewbread ? That is a physical pattern of the New Testament
“Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.”
Hebrews 9:1-2 KJV
the New Testament uses those physical patterns to make spiritual points like this Moses received physical bread from heaven “manna “
jesus addresses this pattern like this to give us a spiritual understanding
“Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.”
John 6:32-33
See when israel needed food God rained bread from heaven and they gathered it and ate and lived.
And when they needed water God caused water to flow from a rock and they all drank and lived
That’s a physical Pattern of Jesus he uses those patterns to express truths about himself the whole entire law is the same it’s a physical pattern given to Moses on the mountain of the true covenant of God and the things in heaven
those new things are revealed in the gospel that are the reality of those patterns like leavened bread and unleavened bread those have spirituAl meaning in the New Testament
“who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.”
Hebrews 8:5 KJV
moses tabernacle he built was a copy of the one in heaven the law is a pattern in every way like that
“For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.”
Hebrews 10:1 KJV
“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.”
Colossians 2:16-17
leaven represents sinfulness in man wickedness wrath revenge anger malice ect this is nt leaven
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:19-21 KJV
In summary we see this how it’s really not about bread or celebrating Passover with a lamb that was a pattern
“Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. ( we’re the bread in the example )
For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.”
1 Corinthians 5:7-8 KJV
Leaven is in us and we need to prove it out and become a new lump of dough without that leaven of malice and wickedness
the ot is like this
“And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.”
Numbers 21:9 KJV
that’s only a physical pattern for this reality which was to come then but has come now
“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness,( pattern given to Moses ) even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.( the reality)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
John 3:14-16 KJV
The serpents biting and killing everyone because of thier rebellion against God is a pattern they would have all died but they pleaded with God and he gave Moses a pattern of a brazen serpent on a high pole and anyone bitten could look at the serpent and they wouldn’t die but they would live because they looked to the serpent held up high
a that’s just a pattern for us now though to help us understand Jesus dying on the cross for our sins so we don’t perish but can live the whole ot law of Moses from genesis to Deuteronomy is like that to the nt it’s an earthly physical pattern of the eternal spiritual things in the nt
Pattern of those things
“And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.”
Mark 8:15
“therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.”
1 Corinthians 5:8 KJV
remember the shewbread ? That is a physical pattern of the New Testament
“Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.”
Hebrews 9:1-2 KJV
the New Testament uses those physical patterns to make spiritual points like this Moses received physical bread from heaven “manna “
jesus addresses this pattern like this to give us a spiritual understanding
“Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.”
John 6:32-33
See when israel needed food God rained bread from heaven and they gathered it and ate and lived.
And when they needed water God caused water to flow from a rock and they all drank and lived
That’s a physical Pattern of Jesus he uses those patterns to express truths about himself the whole entire law is the same it’s a physical pattern given to Moses on the mountain of the true covenant of God and the things in heaven
those new things are revealed in the gospel that are the reality of those patterns like leavened bread and unleavened bread those have spirituAl meaning in the New Testament
“who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.”
Hebrews 8:5 KJV
moses tabernacle he built was a copy of the one in heaven the law is a pattern in every way like that
“For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.”
Hebrews 10:1 KJV
“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.”
Colossians 2:16-17
leaven represents sinfulness in man wickedness wrath revenge anger malice ect this is nt leaven
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:19-21 KJV
In summary we see this how it’s really not about bread or celebrating Passover with a lamb that was a pattern
“Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. ( we’re the bread in the example )
For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.”
1 Corinthians 5:7-8 KJV
Leaven is in us and we need to prove it out and become a new lump of dough without that leaven of malice and wickedness
the ot is like this
“And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.”
Numbers 21:9 KJV
that’s only a physical pattern for this reality which was to come then but has come now
“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness,( pattern given to Moses ) even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.( the reality)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
John 3:14-16 KJV
The serpents biting and killing everyone because of thier rebellion against God is a pattern they would have all died but they pleaded with God and he gave Moses a pattern of a brazen serpent on a high pole and anyone bitten could look at the serpent and they wouldn’t die but they would live because they looked to the serpent held up high
a that’s just a pattern for us now though to help us understand Jesus dying on the cross for our sins so we don’t perish but can live the whole ot law of Moses from genesis to Deuteronomy is like that to the nt it’s an earthly physical pattern of the eternal spiritual things in the nt
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