Do you believe everything the Bible says?

[notonmywatch]

The "ANGLES" of God worship Him? Which angles? Right angles, acute angles, obtuse angles, straight angles, reflex angles, or complete angles? For someone who is such a stickler for "correct" English, why are you so careless? Or does your KJV actually say "HE SAITH, AND LET ALL THE ANGLES OF GOD WORSHIP HIM." Or perhaps you meant "anglos", as in anglo-saxon?

There is no "mythical Greek Septuagint". It was the Koine Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures and was the Bible used throughout the Greco-Roman world at the time of Christ and the Apostles.

Finally, the KJV is NOT the holy, pure preserved words of God in the English language. It is a translation of the source documents available at the time and the revision of earlier translations to conform to a secular king's personal brand of Protestantism. There have been four major revisions of the KJV, as well as many other minor revisions. I sincerely doubt that you would be able to understand the actual 1611 version.

WHY DO YOU WORSHIP A BOOK???

He certainly does seek to support his erroneous view from many different "angles", but none of them hold up under scrutiny.

Let's see if he humbles himself and admits his error.

Personally, I hope that he does, but I doubt that he will. Whatever he decides to do, I'm not trying to rub his nose in his own stink that he made here. Instead, I'm genuinely trying to help him, and I've already put in quite a bit of time and effort towards that desired end, but some humility will be required at his end if he's truly to be helped by anybody.

This is a bit of a weird discussion for me because I LOVE the KJV. However, I don't worship it, and I know that it is not a perfect translation.

 

[John146]

Claiming that "the new versions do not want you to study the word of truth, nor rightly divide it" is total nonsense. Can you show me anywhere that one of the modern versions does not want you to study God's word? You can't!!!

Can you show me where in the new versions you are commanded to study? Rightly divide?

 

[John146]

The "ANGLES" of God worship Him? Which angles? Right angles, acute angles, obtuse angles, straight angles, reflex angles, or complete angles? For someone who is such a stickler for "correct" English, why are you so careless? Or does your KJV actually say "HE SAITH, AND LET ALL THE ANGLES OF GOD WORSHIP HIM." Or perhaps you meant "anglos", as in anglo-saxon?

There is no "mythical Greek Septuagint". It was the Koine Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures and was the Bible used throughout the Greco-Roman world at the time of Christ and the Apostles.

Finally, the KJV is NOT the holy, pure preserved words of God in the English language. It is a translation of the source documents available at the time and the revision of earlier translations to conform to a secular king's personal brand of Protestantism. There have been four major revisions of the KJV, as well as many other minor revisions. I sincerely doubt that you would be able to understand the actual 1611 version.

WHY DO YOU WORSHIP A BOOK???

Because I exalt the word of God, you claim I worship a book? How does God feel about his word?

 

[Dino246]

Can you show me where in the new versions you are commanded to study? Rightly divide?

Can you show us where in the KJV you are commanded to handle the word of God correctly and accurately? Can you show us where in the KJV you are commanded to be diligent and eager to present yourself to God as one approved?

Don't be ridiculous.

 

[Dino246]

I believe that those like yourself who criticize the King James Bible and question it's sources

It's unfortunate that, in your case, devotion to the KJV has not resulted in right understanding of English grammar and usage.

The word is "its".

You might praise and exalt the "undiluted" English of the late 16th century, but you have no moral ground on which to stand when criticizing today's English when you don't use correct English yourself.

 

[NilsForChrist]

Yes, but I may not teach everything, lest we get into debates...

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Yes, but I may not teach everything, lest we get into debates...

Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome To Chat.

Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II).

Grace, Peace, And JOY!...

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Bibliolatry? Yes, I am GUILTY, as charged!:

The Living 'Word Of God' = The LORD Jesus Christ!
+
The Written 'Word Of God' = The Preserved Scriptures Of God!!

1) God's Word Is MAGNIFIED Above All of HIS Holy Name, Yes?:
Yes!!:

Psa 138:2 "I will worship toward Thy holy temple, and ​

praise Thy Name for Thy Lovingkindness and for Thy Truth: ​

for Thou Hast Magnified Thy Word Above All Thy Name."​

​

 

[Runningman]

It’s kinda worrisome that so much of the Bible is open to the interpretation of the translators. It’s like whatever they thought/felt the Biblical author was talking about influenced them as they translated with a bias.

Something I’ve noticed is they often capitalized words subjectively or added commas; moving the comma around a bit may actually change the meaning of the verse.

I think, at least partially, that translation has caused a lot of division and misunderstanding about the Bible.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Bibliolatry? Yes, I am GUILTY, as charged!:

The Living 'Word Of God' = The LORD Jesus Christ!
+
The Written 'Word Of God' = The Preserved Scriptures Of God!!

1) God's Word Is MAGNIFIED Above All of HIS Holy Name, Yes?:
Yes!!:

Psa 138:2 "I will worship toward Thy holy temple, and ​

praise Thy Name for Thy Lovingkindness and for Thy Truth: ​

for Thou Hast Magnified Thy Word Above All Thy Name."​

​

ok, wasn't aware I hit 'Post reply' but there is much more... maybe later...

 

[jaybo]

It’s kinda worrisome that so much of the Bible is open to the interpretation of the translators. It’s like whatever they thought/felt the Biblical author was talking about influenced them as they translated with a bias.

Something I’ve noticed is they often capitalized words subjectively or added commas; moving the comma around a bit may actually change the meaning of the verse.

I think, at least partially, that translation has caused a lot of division and misunderstanding about the Bible.

As I am sure you're aware, the Bible that we have today is a collection of ancient writings, originally in three different languages: ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek. The originals were written over a very long period of time to different audiences. Thi is important, as the words are interpreted through the lens of culture, and therefore mean different things to different audiences.

Good translators try to convey the meaning of the source documents, as the vocabulary, syntax, verb tenses, idioms, etc. are very different. Translations that claim to be "word-for-word" are simply not. The translators do their best to keep bias to a minimum, which is why the best translations are created by committees of people from different faiths.

"Something I’ve noticed is they often capitalized words subjectively or added commas; moving the comma around a bit may actually change the meaning of the verse" is meaningless. Can you give an example?

 

[Runningman]

As I am sure you're aware, the Bible that we have today is a collection of ancient writings, originally in three different languages: ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek. The originals were written over a very long period of time to different audiences. Thi is important, as the words are interpreted through the lens of culture, and therefore mean different things to different audiences.

Good translators try to convey the meaning of the source documents, as the vocabulary, syntax, verb tenses, idioms, etc. are very different. Translations that claim to be "word-for-word" are simply not. The translators do their best to keep bias to a minimum, which is why the best translations are created by committees of people from different faiths.

"Something I’ve noticed is they often capitalized words subjectively or added commas; moving the comma around a bit may actually change the meaning of the verse" is meaningless. Can you give an example?

When/if I remember where the example I saw with a comma was I’ll put it here.

but most recently I was reading Hebrews 1 and saw this verse:

9You have loved righteousness
and hated wickedness;
therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
above Your companions with the oil of joy.”

They capitalized the word “God” twice, inferring that Lord God Almighty has a God over Him. That’s further evidenced by the part that says “You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore… above your companions”

God doesn’t have a God nor does God have companions to be anointed above. That’s an example of where the translators tried to determine when the word theos refers to God or a lesser god, when God or god (theos) use the same words in Greek.

Sometimes god with a small g is used to refer to lesser beings.

However, in doing so, I think they failed to capture the intended meaning since it doesn’t make sense or enhance the understanding of Psalm 45 from which it was quoted. Obviously a translation bias in my opinion.

 

[Runningman]

Actually Hebrews 1:9 would make more sense if it had a comma after “therefore.”

Try this:

Original:
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You above Your companions with the oil of joy.”

My proposed change:
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore, God, Your God, has anointed You above Your companions with the oil of joy.”

 

[jaybo]

Actually Hebrews 1:9 would make more sense if it had a comma after “therefore.”

Try this:

Original:
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You above Your companions with the oil of joy.”

My proposed change:
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore, God, Your God, has anointed You above Your companions with the oil of joy.”

Are you serious? How does the inclusion of a comma affect the meaning? And BTW, "the original" was in Koine Greek, not English.

Hebrews 1:9 in the NRSVue, copyright 2022, ...

"You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions."

And it is a quote from the Old Testament, which was in Hebrew...

Psalm 45:6-7...

Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever.
Your royal scepter is a scepter of equity;
you love righteousness and hate wickedness.
Therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions"

 

[Dino246]

Actually Hebrews 1:9 would make more sense if it had a comma after “therefore.”

Try this:

Original:
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You above Your companions with the oil of joy.”

My proposed change:
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore, God, Your God, has anointed You above Your companions with the oil of joy.”

The comma after "therefore" is not necessary and neither adds to nor changes the meaning of the sentence.

 

[jaybo]

Actually Hebrews 1:9 would make more sense if it had a comma after “therefore.”

Try this:

Original:
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You above Your companions with the oil of joy.”

My proposed change:
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore, God, Your God, has anointed You above Your companions with the oil of joy.”

Are you serious? What difference does the addition of the comma make?

 

[tourist]

Are you serious? What difference does the addition of the comma make?

Doesn't seem to make a difference to me either.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

op: "Do you believe EVERYTHING The Bible Says?"

Bibliolatry? Yes, I am GUILTY, as charged!:

The Living 'Word Of God' = The LORD Jesus Christ!
+
The Written 'Word Of God' = The Preserved Scriptures Of God!!

1) God's Word Is MAGNIFIED Above All of HIS Holy Name, Yes?:
Yes!!:

Psa 138:2 "I will worship toward Thy holy temple, and ​

praise Thy Name for Thy Lovingkindness and for Thy Truth: ​

for Thou Hast Magnified Thy Word Above All Thy Name."​

​

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