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Please provide scripture that confirms that water baptism is required as a public display.
For me no rituals, ordinances or anything other than faith saves us.
Jesus said
John 16:7-9
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me;
Romans 10:8-13
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
The answer is, there are no scriptures that state water baptism is to be done as a public display. This in itself should prompt further study.To You ----------Please provide Scripture that states that Water baptism takes away your sins -----
Scripture clearly states this ---
Hebrews 9:22
Amplified Bible
In fact under the Law almost everything is cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness [neither release from sin and its guilt, nor cancellation of the merited punishment].
Context
Redemption through His Blood
…21In the same way, he sprinkled with blood the tabernacle and all the vessels used in worship.
22According to the law, in fact, nearly everything must be purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
23So it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.…
I say
No mention of water Baptism here ----Just the Blood of Jesus for the remission of sins ------without your sins being forgiven ---your DOOMED ------
Please accept the following as intended; shared out of love.
Being buried with Jesus into His death requires a conscience decision and total immersion. And all NT water baptism was consistently administered in the name of the Lord Jesus as confirmed from scripture. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16) God's commands have specific purpose that is sometimes overlooked. The purpose intended many times is realized with greater clarity after obedience. (Acts 2:38, 22:16)
According to the New Catholic Encyclopedia infant baptism is a long-standing practice of the Church. And states as well that there is no specific mention of infant baptism in the Word of God. This alone is a problem since the Word itself states that truth is established by at least 2-3 scriptures that state the same thing.
Luke 3:3
And he (John the Baptist) came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
Matt 3:7-8
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Acts 26:20
But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Matt 3:16
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
John 3:23
And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
Acts 8:38-39
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Jesus shed His blood for forgiveness of the sins of all humanity. And faith is what appropriates this, God's grace, to individual's. Belief in and yielding to God's water baptism command results in one's personal sin being washed away in accordance with Jesus' sacrifice. (Acts 22:16, 2:2-40)Wansvic, do you believe that through baptism our sins are forgiven?
Belief in and yielding to God's water baptism command results in one's personal sin being washed away in accordance with Jesus' sacrifice. (Acts 22:16, 2:2-40)
The reason I am firm in my stance is because of what is actually stated in the bible. I know common belief differs, but Jesus said everyone is going to be judged by the bible not denominational beliefs. (John 12:48) And it is my sincere desire to share what is stated in the bible in an effort to help others not hinder them.Thank you for sharing scripture, and advice.
Here is a thing though. Even though I agree with you mostly, your insistence that new believers must be baptised in water, I have found to be incorrect. I know what the Bible says about it, but I also know the reality of what happened in my own life.
I was born again when given the gift of faith to believe, in my own home whist reading the New Testament of the Christian Bible for the first time. God opened my mind, took the shutters of it, to believe that Jesus is the Christ, and that I ought follow and obey Him., There was no one there to baptise me, and I knew of nowhere I could go. As I continued to read on through the Bible, I realised that Jesus did not institute denominations as they go against His will that there be no divisions in His church. I therefore concluded it would be likely that I will go through life without being water baptised, since it would be hard for me to find a servant of God that could do it for me, and so I gave up thinking about. That was about 39 years ago.
I have concluded that it would be wrong for me to claim that water baptism is essential to salvation, but I did realise that an alive spirit and a heart dedicated to serving Jesus, are!
Thanks again for sharing. Shalom.
Literal since Jesus told the apostles: "Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained." John 20:23Is this washing away literal or figurative?
Literal since Jesus told the apostles: "Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained." John 20:23
This indicates that God brings about a spiritual reality when the gospel message is preached, believed, and acted upon.
Precious friend, thanks So Much for sharing. I was beginning to wonder ifI was born again when given the gift of faith to believe, in my own home whilst reading the New Testament of the Christian Bible for the first time. God opened my mind, took the shutters of it, to believe that Jesus is the Christ, and that I ought follow and obey Him., There was no one there to baptise me, and I knew of nowhere I could go.
As I continued to read on through the Bible, I realised that Jesus did not institute denominations as they go against His will that there be no divisions in His church.
I therefore concluded it would be likely that I will go through life without being water baptised, since it would be hard for me to find a servant of God that could do it for me, and so I gave up thinking about. That was about 39 years ago.
Belief in and yielding to God's water baptism command results in one's personal sin being washed away in accordance with Jesus' sacrifice. (Acts 22:16, 2:2-40)
That's a pretty wild interpretation of John. Since the Bible did not exist during the lifetime of Jesus, it's hard to believe that is what he meant.but Jesus said everyone is going to be judged by the bible not denominational beliefs. (John 12:48)
Please explain why Jesus and the apostles explicitly taught that baptism is for the remission of sins. If that is not true, why did they say it?but it will not take sins away and should never be told to do so
Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome to Chat.That's a pretty wild interpretation of John. Since the Bible did not exist during the lifetime of Jesus, it's hard to believe that is what he meant.
Please explain why Jesus and the apostles explicitly taught that baptism is for the remission of sins. If that is not true, why did they say it?