Do we know how Yeshua lived his life?

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I am going to give this disclaimer before we open on John 14. There may be things said, in the Word that some will find they simply can't live with, and wish to nullify if they can. However as the words are from the one we Call Our Savior, doing so would show you have no understanding of Him, His teachings, His life, or His faith. After all, if one wishes to remove the truth, or replace it only 1/2 the truth, they show many things about their faith. None of them are good.
We will open John 14 this evening, so I wanted to let every one know before hand it may be for you.
 

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I am going to give this disclaimer before we open on John 14. There may be things said, in the Word that some will find they simply can't live with, and wish to nullify if they can. However as the words are from the one we Call Our Savior, doing so would show you have no understanding of Him, His teachings, His life, or His faith. After all, if one wishes to remove the truth, or replace it only 1/2 the truth, they show many things about their faith. None of them are good.
We will open John 14 this evening, so I wanted to let every one know before hand it may be for you.
Bearing with you< thank you
 

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Jhn 14:1"Don't let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God, and trust also in me.

Now if you follow logic, and understand John chapter 1, then you know that Yeshua and HaShem are 1 not 2. However you should think about the fact that HaShem is Spirit not human. So when we place our turst in HaShem, are we not also placing our trust in Yeshua? For some that is true, however, when one places more trust in Paul, their pastor, or whoever than they do the teachings of Yeshua, that simply can't hold true.

Jhn 14:2There is more than enough room in my Father's home. If this were not so, would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you?

I am not going to try to look it up, or say this 100% accurate. However, if you have ever looked at the size of the New Jerusalem as giving in the word, then think that we will not have the physical bodies we now have. You can fit ever person in the world, or that has ever been in the world in there.

Jhn 14:3When everything is ready, I will come and get you, so that you will always be with me where I am.
Jhn 14:4And you know the way to where I am going."

2 things here. First we all understand the concept of being the bride of Yeshua. We all know that He said not even He knows when He will return. So let me fill you on some thing most people may never hear any other place.
In Yeshua's time, it was a well known and followed tradition, that when a man finds his bride to be he had to build a house for them. That house had to meet his dads approval. No one know when the house would do this, and so no one know when the groom would come for his bride. She was ready at all times, day and night. So this does sever as the best way to let your people know what is coming. Give them something they know and understand. It is up to all of us to be ready, and to know and understand His teachings. Just as it up to everyone of us to do our best to live by them. I say our best, because we are human, we are a live, and so we do come up short at times.
Second. We know how to get to where He is, becuase He told us we must do. Now we understand the whole by grace alone. However as we are about to see, Yeshua does tell us there is more than knowing Him. After all even Satin knows him, most likely better than any of use. Yet I don't think you will find his name in the book of life.

Jhn 14:5"No, we don't know, Lord," Thomas said. "We have no idea where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
Jhn 14:6Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.
Jhn 14:7If you had really known me, you would know who my Father is. From now on, you do know him and have seen him!"

As we have said many times in this one thread, Yeshua here tells us that He is HaShem. As we work our way through this study of Yeshua we will see many times that things point to that fact. Not just John chapter 1, as been seen already.

Jhn 14:8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied."
Jhn 14:9Jesus replied, "Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don't know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you?

Can it any more clear?

Jhn 14:10Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I speak are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work through me.
Jhn 14:11Just believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or at least believe because of the work you have seen me do.
Jhn 14:12"I tell you the truth, anyone who believes in me will do the same works I have done, and even greater works, because I am going to be with the Father.
Jhn 14:13You can ask for anything in my name, and I will do it, so that the Son can bring glory to the Father.
Jhn 14:14Yes, ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it!

Here is a passage I have seen misused many times. Just as it has been used to try to discredit one that believes. You see if you can say that we have the power to heal the blind, yet not do so your self. Does that show that Yeshua lied to us here? No, it means our faith is week, and we need to work on that.

Jhn 14:15"If you love me, obey my commandments.
Jhn 14:16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you.

Now I understand that some wish to walk in faith and faith alone. For some reason they simply don't like the idea that Yeshua said to keep the commandments. Yet as one can see, doing so is a requirement. Note that He said, keep them, and I will do my part. The thing is, if we don't do our part, He has no reason to speak on our behalf. As we have broken the covenant He gave His life to seal with His blood.
I am going to stop here, even though I really want to keep going. I just have this feeling that their might some question coming.
 

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Now if you follow logic, and understand John chapter 1, then you know that Yeshua and HaShem are 1 not 2. However you should think about the fact that HaShem is Spirit not human. So when we place our turst in HaShem, are we not also placing our trust in Yeshua? For some that is true, however, when one places more trust in Paul, their pastor, or whoever than they do the teachings of Yeshua, that simply can't hold true.
Truth, thank you
 

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Jhn 14:10Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I speak are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work through me.
The mystery of marriage revealed in ?Father and Son as Won (One) to me at least, thanks
 

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Jhn 14:10Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I speak are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work through me.
Might be time to believe he is risen and we do the same, the Father to do the work through us, not us figuring out how. hearing directly from Hashem, thanks for this post from you brother in Christ
 

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Here is a passage I have seen misused many times. Just as it has been used to try to discredit one that believes. You see if you can say that we have the power to heal the blind, yet not do so your self. Does that show that Yeshua lied to us here? No, it means our faith is week, and we need to work on that.
Actually, I see there, I bet there is "Unbelief in me, somewhere, and if I do or try to do of me, then it is not of God is it, if God does not get all the credit in it? Just saying
Ask to receive and be new without any credit to self or anyone else but God, Has-hem thank you
 

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Now I understand that some wish to walk in faith and faith alone. For some reason they simply don't like the idea that Yeshua said to keep the commandments. Yet as one can see, doing so is a requirement. Note that He said, keep them, and I will do my part. The thing is, if we don't do our part, He has no reason to speak on our behalf. As we have broken the covenant He gave His life to seal with His blood.
I am going to stop here, even though I really want to keep going. I just have this feeling that their might some question coming.
I am like a puppy, where I have a puppy. that puppy makes messes and I simply clean them up and help the puppy to learn new.
For me, I love God because God loves me and Son took away sin for me to learn new in. And that has been going on since age 12 for me. God never giving up on me ever. And I have not ever done perfect ever, being in this unredeemed body that fights the Spirit of God's lead through me and everyone else too
Entering God's Courts with Thanksgiving and praise (Ps 100:4) all sin, by Son taken away as far as the east is from the west (Ps 103:12)
Thanks for your postings
 

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Actually, I see there, I bet there is "Unbelief in me, somewhere, and if I do or try to do of me, then it is not of God is it, if God does not get all the credit in it? Just saying
Ask to receive and be new without any credit to self or anyone else but God, Has-hem thank you
So you did see what I did. Glad your paying attention. I said if you can't heal, and as you pointed out, it isn't us. On ones own, we have no power to do anything, HaShem does the work, we simply open our hearts and minds to Him, so He can work through us.
 

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Jhn 14:17He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth. The world cannot receive him, because it isn't looking for him and doesn't recognize him. But you know him, because he lives with you now and later will be in you.
Jhn 14:18No, I will not abandon you as orphans—I will come to you.

When one teaches on anything from the Word, they must be sure that what they say is 100% in line with the whole of the Word. As even one passage can change how we see what we think we know, if we are open to truth and not closed off to anything that stands in conflict with the church they attend. As I am know for saying, The name on the door has nothing to with salvation.
With that in mind I would like to ask one thing. We have debated this for years, and seem to always come to the same understanding, even when faced with a passage that may seem to conflict with that understanding. Do you see HaShem, Yeshua, and the Spirit of HaShem as 3 different people? I ask this now as the passage above seems to understood as they are by some. Yet some see it as confirmation that they Yeshua and the Spirit of HaShem are one.
How? Some have asked this in the past, so let us give your our insight. Keep in mind, we are human, and can be wrong. When we look at this we find that Yeshua has said, The Spirit lives with those He is speaking to. Then He makes the claim that once He has risen, the spirit will live with in them.

Jhn 14:19Soon the world will no longer see me, but you will see me. Since I live, you also will live.
Jhn 14:20When I am raised to life again, you will know that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
Jhn 14:21Those who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them."

Again we will use the analogy of a bride and groom. Now keep in mind, that many will say how wrong this is, yet never offer up anything to show I am wrong. At lest not anything Biblical.
As a man looks for a bride, they all have one thing they look for, a women that will stand by them, and work together to build a better life for them, and their kids. For some that means both work, and hope t put back enough for their kids to get a better start in life than they had. Others may think the women should be a stay at home mom. Trust me, both wll find what they seek. However in Yeshua's time, a women was expeccted to follow what her hubby said. That is unless his words were in violation of Torah. Again I remind you, that we all seem to understand the concept of Yeshua as the groom, and we are the bride. Also most understand that Yeshua can't speak against Torah, or salvation would be an idea based on SIN. So when He said we are to excet, and follow His commandments, does He really mean it? I say yes he does.


As we have asked a question in this post, we will stop here to wait for answers. Also there has been some things said that may bring rebuke. So we must give any that wish to do so, time and space to do so.
 

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Jhn 14:22Judas (not Judas Iscariot, but the other disciple with that name) said to him, "Lord, why are you going to reveal yourself only to us and not to the world at large?"
Jhn 14:23Jesus replied, "All who love me will do what I say. My Father will love them, and we will come and make our home with each of them.
Jhn 14:24Anyone who doesn't love me will not obey me. And remember, my words are not my own. What I am telling you is from the Father who sent me.

When one wishes to nullify the teachings of Yeshua, do they show their love for Yeshua? By this that answer is no. However should we then condemn them? Again no, we don't have that right. Still we do have the right to remove ourselves from their influence. As is made clear here by the teachings of Yeshua, we are to follow His teachings, and walk in His commandments. As we see when we get there, He teaches us from Torah, and shows us in His life how to walk i the Laws. More on that later.

Jhn 14:25I am telling you these things now while I am still with you.
Jhn 14:26But when the Father sends the Advocate as my representative—that is, the Holy Spirit—he will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have told you.

As we know the Holy Spirit is that advocate. What does He remind us about? How can he teach us when we don't hear His wisdom?

Jhn 14:27"I am leaving you with a gift—peace of mind and heart. And the peace I give is a gift the world cannot give. So don't be troubled or afraid.
Jhn 14:28Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am.
Jhn 14:29I have told you these things before they happen so that when they do happen, you will believe.

Prophecy has this way getting ones attention. We all know, or should, that every prophecy in the Word must be fulfilled. Just all prophecy that has been fulfilled to date, gives witness to the truth of the Word. This is why I find it sad that most threads on here dealing with prophecy never last, and seem to come to no conclusion at all. If we don't study His teachings as given in Rev. ,( we will here) how can we know what is coming, and see the truth of the Word?

Jhn 14:30"I don't have much more time to talk to you, because the ruler of this world approaches. He has no power over me,
Jhn 14:31but I will do what the Father requires of me, so that the world will know that I love the Father. Come, let's be going.

We have decided to take what some may see as an unorthodox approach from this point on. You see, when we look at Yeshua's life, we should celebrate it. So in the next post we will doing things differently. 2 reason for this.
1 all 4 gospels, hold the following in common. They cover His betrayal, Beating, or passion as some call it, His trial, Crucifixion, burial, and resurrection. As John is about to enter that part of Yeshua's life, we find that going back to the start, and looking at what the other 3 writers say about his life is a better way. After all when we look at a grave marker, we see this. Born 1900- died 1990. When we look at ones life, we look at that dash. Not the dates. I do hope you are enjoying this study.
 

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Yet He lived His life in the way that we should walk did He not? If so, then should we not live our life as He showed us?
Hi @Rainrider
Do you mean that we each one have to stub our toe at the age of 6 because he did?

Jesus has already told us 'what' it is about his life that we need to follow:

Love for our God in all of our being and loving others as oneself.

We don't have to mimic every breath that he took or drink water from a leather pouch as we walk everywhere that we need to go because Jesus didn't drive a car now did he?

God bless,
Ted
 

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Hi @Rainrider
Do you mean that we each one have to stub our toe at the age of 6 because he did?

Jesus has already told us 'what' it is about his life that we need to follow:

Love for our God in all of our being and loving others as oneself.

We don't have to mimic every breath that he took or drink water from a leather pouch as we walk everywhere that we need to go because Jesus didn't drive a car now did he?

God bless,
Ted
As you answered that in your own post, I see no reason to get into that. After all I am sure you have enough understanding to know the answer.
 

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As we move into the other 3 gospels, we are going to move a bit faster. As we will look at all 3 at the same time. We will not post every passage, so we hope you will at lest read what is being talked of.
As we know the first chapter of Mat. and Luke covers the linage of Yeshua. With one standing out from the rest. As Matthew looks at his genealogy from the mail perspective, Luke looks to Mary's.
From mat. and Mark we see that Yeshua came from the line of David, placing Him in the tribe of Judah. As we know, He had to come that line to fulfill prophecy. Yet there is a little something most over look. In Mat. 1:5 we find that Ruth, a gentile woman is named. For some this creates no issue at all, yet others use it say because of this Yeshua doesn't fulfill the prophecy as written. To make us of this in anyway to make a point that isn't there, it becomes more a matter of mans wishes than fact.
As we more on to look at what Luke had to say, it becomes a bit more problematic. As it isn't placed in a clear and direct line as with Mat. So we will slow down a bit to look at this.
We find that Luke opens by letting a man named Theophilus know that he is writing his account for him. Now we can go on and on about who we think this man is, or we can just except that we really can't say with any certainty at all who he is. I go with the later, as knowing this man seems to be of little interest to Luke. So why worry over things that the Word didn't see fit to explain?
Moving on, we come to what can be seen as a hint as to the blood line of Yeshua. Though as best we know, it is excepted as that, some may disagree. If you disagree, we do pray you will at lest think about what is said.
Zechariah, and Elizabeth are both said to be from the line of Aaron. Kachariah we know must have been, or he wouldn't be working in the Temple. (Luke 1:8) In the next passage we find he was chosen to enter the sanctuary to burn incense. As Torah makes clear only the blood line of Aaron is to do this, we can conclude Zachariah was of that line.
Also Elizabeth was from the line of Aaron as is told in Luke 1:5. This gives us the idea that Mary would also hold this blood line. Even if it was only 1/2, it shows us something we must understand. That being that Yeshua has the blood line of both David and Aaron. We ask that you keep this in mind as we move on. It does come into play later.
Now we Luke does tell us that Mary was ken to Elizabeth, (Luke 1:36).
 

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Mat. 2 is much in line with Luke 3. For that reason we will look at this as we did with Mat. 1.
Both name Herod, giving the time line of what came about. We will pick it up with Yeshua being taken to Egypt.

Mat 2:14That night Joseph left for Egypt with the child and Mary, his mother,
Mat 2:15and they stayed there until Herod's death. This fulfilled what the Lord had spoken through the prophet: "I called my Son out of Egypt."

Knowing that Herod died in or about 4 bc, and if we give that Yeshua was born in 5 bc, Yeshua would have spent little time in Egypt. Some say around a year, others say closer to 4 months. Though it isn't really a big deal on that time line, we wish to make now of Yeshua's life. We will find that in many regards, it mirrors that Israels history.

Mat 2:16Herod was furious when he realized that the wise men had outwitted him. He sent soldiers to kill all the boys in and around Bethlehem who were two years old and under, based on the wise men's report of the star's first appearance.
This passage has been used to say that Yeshua had to be in Egypt for no less that 2 years. However, when we truly look, it doesn't say that at all. In fact the passage makes it clear that Herod was more than a little mad, because he was never told the true time. So Herod killed all them kids for no reason. Yet was it really for no reason? After all it did fulfill prophecy. With that we have done a lot of looking. We find that Herod picked the age of 2 and under to make sure he killed Yeshua.
This as we all know is not a war of flesh and bone. It is a spiritual war. The actions of Herod were intended to end the sacrifice before it ever got there.

Mat 2:17Herod's brutal action fulfilled what God had spoken through the prophet Jeremiah:
Mat 2:18"A cry was heard in Ramah—weeping and great mourning. Rachel weeps for her children, refusing to be comforted,
for they are dead."

Luk 2:25At that time there was a man in Jerusalem named Simeon. He was righteous and devout and was eagerly waiting for the Messiah to come and rescue Israel. The Holy Spirit was upon him
Luk 2:26and had revealed to him that he would not die until he had seen the Lord's Messiah.
Luk 2:27That day the Spirit led him to the Temple. So when Mary and Joseph came to present the baby Jesus to the Lord as the law required,

I know some that would like to make big thing from this. However as anyone knows, a child isn't guilty until they come of age. For some that means they clearly understand the law, and can make their own choices. We do a little high light to bring to up some things many may never think of.
Like when Simeon says,

Luk 2:32He is a light to reveal God to the nations, and he is the glory of your people Israel!"

This reflects the place Israel holds, they are a light to the world. Don't think so? then ask yourself, where are all most all prophecy going to be fulfilled?

Luk 2:34Then Simeon blessed them, and he said to Mary, the baby's mother, "This child is destined to cause many in Israel to fall, but he will be a joy to many others. He has been sent as a sign from God, but many will oppose him.
Luk 2:35As a result, the deepest thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And a sword will pierce your very soul."

The idea that a sword will pierce your soul is intended to show that Yeshua will open your own heart to you, and show us what we need. Some will reject this, even some that attened church every time the doors are open. We will see this when we get the letters to the 7 churches. After all, the book of Revelation, is Yeshua's teachings. I my self can't wait to get there.

Mat 2:23So the family went and lived in a town called Nazareth. This fulfilled what the prophets had said: "He will be called a Nazarene."

It is from this passage that some wish to say Yeshua was under the vow of a Nazarite. This how ever isn't the case as will be seen over time. I bring this up now as there will be some things said when look at His resurrection. So just keep this in the back of your mind.

Now at 12 something happened. Yeshua stayed in Jerusalem after the feast. Pass over if anyone wants to know.

Luk 2:46Three days later they finally discovered him in the Temple, sitting among the religious teachers, listening to them and asking questions.
Luk 2:47All who heard him were amazed at his understanding and his answers.

For 3 days Yeshua at age 12, was already doing what He came to do. He was teaching, and giving insight that everyone around was shocked by. Don't misunderstand this, it was because of His age more than likely.

We will return to talk more. I know this all seems a bit basic, however we are looking something most people know.
 

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Mat. 2 is much in line with Luke 3. For that reason we will look at this as we did with Mat. 1.
Both name Herod, giving the time line of what came about. We will pick it up with Yeshua being taken to Egypt.

Mat 2:14That night Joseph left for Egypt with the child and Mary, his mother,
Mat 2:15and they stayed there until Herod's death. This fulfilled what the Lord had spoken through the prophet: "I called my Son out of Egypt."

Knowing that Herod died in or about 4 bc, and if we give that Yeshua was born in 5 bc, Yeshua would have spent little time in Egypt. Some say around a year, others say closer to 4 months. Though it isn't really a big deal on that time line, we wish to make now of Yeshua's life. We will find that in many regards, it mirrors that Israels history.

Mat 2:16Herod was furious when he realized that the wise men had outwitted him. He sent soldiers to kill all the boys in and around Bethlehem who were two years old and under, based on the wise men's report of the star's first appearance.
This passage has been used to say that Yeshua had to be in Egypt for no less that 2 years. However, when we truly look, it doesn't say that at all. In fact the passage makes it clear that Herod was more than a little mad, because he was never told the true time. So Herod killed all them kids for no reason. Yet was it really for no reason? After all it did fulfill prophecy. With that we have done a lot of looking. We find that Herod picked the age of 2 and under to make sure he killed Yeshua.
This as we all know is not a war of flesh and bone. It is a spiritual war. The actions of Herod were intended to end the sacrifice before it ever got there.

Mat 2:17Herod's brutal action fulfilled what God had spoken through the prophet Jeremiah:
Mat 2:18"A cry was heard in Ramah—weeping and great mourning. Rachel weeps for her children, refusing to be comforted,
for they are dead."

Luk 2:25At that time there was a man in Jerusalem named Simeon. He was righteous and devout and was eagerly waiting for the Messiah to come and rescue Israel. The Holy Spirit was upon him
Luk 2:26and had revealed to him that he would not die until he had seen the Lord's Messiah.
Luk 2:27That day the Spirit led him to the Temple. So when Mary and Joseph came to present the baby Jesus to the Lord as the law required,

I know some that would like to make big thing from this. However as anyone knows, a child isn't guilty until they come of age. For some that means they clearly understand the law, and can make their own choices. We do a little high light to bring to up some things many may never think of.
Like when Simeon says,

Luk 2:32He is a light to reveal God to the nations, and he is the glory of your people Israel!"

This reflects the place Israel holds, they are a light to the world. Don't think so? then ask yourself, where are all most all prophecy going to be fulfilled?

Luk 2:34Then Simeon blessed them, and he said to Mary, the baby's mother, "This child is destined to cause many in Israel to fall, but he will be a joy to many others. He has been sent as a sign from God, but many will oppose him.
Luk 2:35As a result, the deepest thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And a sword will pierce your very soul."

The idea that a sword will pierce your soul is intended to show that Yeshua will open your own heart to you, and show us what we need. Some will reject this, even some that attened church every time the doors are open. We will see this when we get the letters to the 7 churches. After all, the book of Revelation, is Yeshua's teachings. I my self can't wait to get there.

Mat 2:23So the family went and lived in a town called Nazareth. This fulfilled what the prophets had said: "He will be called a Nazarene."

It is from this passage that some wish to say Yeshua was under the vow of a Nazarite. This how ever isn't the case as will be seen over time. I bring this up now as there will be some things said when look at His resurrection. So just keep this in the back of your mind.

Now at 12 something happened. Yeshua stayed in Jerusalem after the feast. Pass over if anyone wants to know.

Luk 2:46Three days later they finally discovered him in the Temple, sitting among the religious teachers, listening to them and asking questions.
Luk 2:47All who heard him were amazed at his understanding and his answers.

For 3 days Yeshua at age 12, was already doing what He came to do. He was teaching, and giving insight that everyone around was shocked by. Don't misunderstand this, it was because of His age more than likely.

We will return to talk more. I know this all seems a bit basic, however we are looking something most people know.
Out of the mouth of babes. Me seeing to not think I know, or say I know, when only God Father of the risen Son knows, at least for me, thanks for the post, enlightening
 

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Mat. 3, Mark 1, and luke 3 all pick up with John the Baptiste. NOw some may see John as a small part of the Life of Yeshua. However when we think about it, if not for John doing his thing, prophecy would not have been fulfilled. Meaning that Yeshua would be in question as to Who He is. As we all know the story, we are going to look at some of the most over looked aspects of it.

Mat 3:3The prophet Isaiah was speaking about John when he said, "He is a voice shouting in the wilderness, 'Prepare the way for the LORD's coming! Clear the road for him!'
Also see Mark 1:2-3, and Luke 3:4.

We know everyone knows that John was foretold in Is. As I said above however, had John not done what he was sent to do, then we would have a major problem. You see once any part of the Word can be shown to be incorrect, the whole thing becomes nothing more than a tail of 2 cities. had HaShem said I will send a messenger to do something, and He doesn't, He makes Himself a lair. Salvation is based in truth, and backed by loving kindness. As we should know, lies hold nether of them. In fact a single lie can distrroy a person, family, and even a nation. This is why we as human as we are, must strive to seek out truth, and teach only the truth that one finds. More on that later trust us.

Luk 3:3Then John went from place to place on both sides of the Jordan River, preaching that people should be baptized to show that they had repented of their sins and turned to God to be forgiven.
Mark 1:4 repeats this sentiment, almost word for word.

Now we have seen this passage used to say that only HaShem can forgive sin. We also agree with this, and will always turn to John chapter 1 as our bases for this way of thinking. If you will recall in John chapter it is made clear that Yeshua, and HaShem are one is the same.

Mat 3:4John's clothes were woven from coarse camel hair, and he wore a leather belt around his waist. For food he ate locusts and wild honey.
Mark 1:6 and Luke however doesn't say a thing bout this.

Now I grow up thinking locusts meant he ate grass hoppers. However it was pointed out to me by a member of our study grope that there is also a locust fruit. Though I must still question this, it does leave room to think I can be wrong, so I leave it to you to decide for your selves. Just know that in the Torah, there are some locusts that are clean, and good for food. In the time of Yeshua, the poor often ate them, as they couldn't afford other foods.
As to the closes, camel hair was often used to make clothing by the poor. Wool was expensive, just as it is today. I would love a sheep skin coat, just can't afford one. I do however have 3 leather coats, made from cow hide. I love them all, and will never part with them. Even the one I have that is now 30+ years old. Yes it shows it's age.

Mat 3:7But when he saw many Pharisees and Sadducees coming to watch him baptize, he denounced them. "You brood of snakes!" he exclaimed. "Who warned you to flee God's coming wrath?

I opposed the history lesson that comes with this passage at first. As I seen little benefit from it. However, that has changed. So get ready, and I pray it finds a place in your mind.
After the Babylonian exile, and before the sacrifical system was reestablished. The people turned to Torah for an answer to their missing sacrifices. They found that the earliest students, developers, and upholders of the Torah seem to fit the preistly cast. So they turned to them.
After the Cohamin, (i.e. the Temple priest) were back in the temple. Some challenged the authority of the Cohamin, in favor of the Pharisees and Sadducees. They were called the Hasidim. The names means pious ones. They had gotten so much power they were not so willing to give it up. One may wish to not that the dead sea scrolls are thought by some to have been written by a people called the Essenes. It is also thought that they parted ways with the religious leaders of their time over disputes about the application of Torah.
We give this rather brief history so everyone can better understand the friction between them and Yeshua. I do hope it comes to mind every time we see their interactions.

Mat 3:8Prove by the way you live that you have repented of your sins and turned to God.
Mat 3:9Don't just say to each other, 'We're safe, for we are descendants of Abraham.' That means nothing, for I tell you, God can create children of Abraham from these very stones.
Luke 3:8 as well. Mark doesn't make of this.

many times people made the faults accusation that I look for salvation in works, and not faith. Sadly not once has that statement ever been backed by facts. Or should I say happily? I will stand with sadly, as had there been any facts to back it, they would have shown me I needed to change. Unlike this statement by John, that is backed in fact. You see at one time the Jewish people were told that their salvation was a given and could never be removed. This misleading info was pushed by some that simply wished to hold on to power at all cost. Yes it does reflect some of what we see in the world today, sadly here our own nation, it is no display for the world to see, now that we are in an election year.
The truth is, even today some teach once saved always saved. That however is not true, as we will see in time. Just as you will see us say, Salvation comes by faith followed by obedience. If one has faith, yet isn't obedient, they will not see heaven, and if one is obedient, yet has no faith, the same will happen. Be they Jew or Gentile.

We are going to stop here, so that any wishing to put a question out can.
 

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Mat 3:10Even now the ax of God's judgment is poised, ready to sever the roots of the trees. Yes, every tree that does not produce good fruit will be chopped down and thrown into the fire.
Also Luke 3:9.

As can be seen HaShem may not look at life as we do. In fact He looks to us to follow in all that He has said, not just the parts we like. To produce good fruit, one must be willing to leave their old life behind, and work to follow the way HaShem has put before us. Even if that means walking away from what we have followed all our lives. Not an easy thing to do, trust me.

Luk 3:10The crowds asked, "What should we do?"
Luk 3:11John replied, "If you have two shirts, give one to the poor. If you have food, share it with those who are hungry."

If you understand Torah, you know that anything one has more than they need should be given to the poor. It isn't that HaShem wants all of us to be poor, He wants us to help everyone. In that way, we place our trusting faithfulness in HaShem to meet our needs.

Luk 3:12Even corrupt tax collectors came to be baptized and asked, "Teacher, what should we do?"
Luk 3:13He replied, "Collect no more taxes than the government requires."

We should look at this reply in 2 ways. First, no government should ever take more from the people than it must have to do it's job. They should never try to take what the people have in order to give it back and say look how great we are. Unlike today, where government would gladly take everything you have to satisfy it's cravings.

Mat 3:11"I baptize with water those who repent of their sins and turn to God. But someone is coming soon who is greater than I am—so much greater that I'm not worthy even to be his slave and carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.
Also see Luke 3:14-17.

Well I can't speak for everyone, though if you try to push me into a fire, you will have a fight on your hands. So what is meant by that? Some say it is a fire that will remove the wicked from the Jewish people. Others say it is the test we face in life. Yet one that I think beast fits is that it speaks to the fire that any willing to look for truth, and teach the Word for what it truly says, come under fire for their faith. Being attacked, and lied about, having it said they are lost. It can drag down the weak, and make them give up. As a result, they produce no fruit at all.
Now when it comes to being baptized in the spirit, some follow the idea that it is somehow separate from excepting Yeshua. As we can see from the plain text, it seems to be one and the same. As we will see more on this in time, we will leave it at that for now.

Mat 3:12He is ready to separate the chaff from the wheat with his winnowing fork. Then he will clean up the threshing area, gathering the wheat into his barn but burning the chaff with never-ending fire."

Some may know this, for any that don't here is a short history, and explanation. A winnowing fork was used to separate the chafe from the wheat. This can be seen in 2 ways.
1- The chaff is a part of the plant that we don't eat. It has no real use, and is therefore removed and burned.
2- The chaff may be seen as a part of the body of Yeshua, that does nothing to bring truth into the minds of others. As we will see Yeshua teaches on this second idea more than once.

Mat 3:13Then Jesus went from Galilee to the Jordan River to be baptized by John.
Also Mark 1:9 And Luke 3:21.

It may help to give a short history on what we now call baptism. As we know this word comes from the Greek word for immersion. The idea was not a new thing, as even in the Torah it is used as a way to purify ones self before entering the Temple. I am sure some of you have seen the bath that looks like a cross, carved into the floors of some homes, and synagogues. If not, it may look a cross to many of us today. The shape however is to add in the immersion. You see in the time of their use, the one being cleansed was to spread their arms, then immerse them self, fingers spread, so the water can cover every part of their body. # times they go under, making sure that every part goes under, and the hair is pulled into the water.

Mat 3:14But John tried to talk him out of it. "I am the one who needs to be baptized by you," he said, "so why are you coming to me?"
Mat 3:15But Jesus said, "It should be done, for we must carry out all that God requires. " So John agreed to baptize him.

Why does it say that John baptized Yeshua? Even in the days when the priest would cleans themself, someone was there to make sure it was done properly. If even one hair didn't go under the water, they had to do it over. So in the minds of some, and yes we are among them, John was the witness to the immersion, and by his tstamony it is confirmed that every hair, and every article of clothing was immersed. If what we understand holds true, then all 3 times Yeshua went under, had to have every hair covered in water.

Luk 3:21One day when the crowds were being baptized, Jesus himself was baptized. As he was praying, the heavens opened,
One other thing that is done, is the one being immersed should be offering a pray for what hope HaShem will do with them. If you wish to teach, preach, or what ever you hope to do for Him. Yeshua's pray may well have been that HaShem be with Him in His work. Though some think it may have been a prayer of thanks. The intent and words we will only know when we can ask Him.

Mat 3:16After his baptism, as Jesus came up out of the water, the heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and settling on him.
Mark 1:10 and Luke 3:22

Mat 3:17And a voice from heaven said, "This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy."
Mark 1:11 and Luke 3:22

In all 3 accounts the phares, "My only begotten son" is not used. Though we have looked at some 17 or so translation, that phrase is not here in any of them. Though we can say, "if we are true believers and followers" that we are HaShem's childern, Yeshua is the only one that can say He was the begotten son of HaShem. Some say Adam was also, yet Adam was not born, he was formed. A marked difference in the way both came into being.
 

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Mat 4:1Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted there by the devil.
Mat 4:2For forty days and forty nights he fasted and became very hungry.
Luke 4 1-2

Though we see here that Yeshua once more shows the history of the Jewish people in His life. Israel was in the wilderness for 40 years, Yeshua was there 40 days, some may wish to say the 2 are not even close to the same. However, I never said they were the same, just that Yeshua in His life, does show us what Israel did, and went through. For the silly ones out there, I wouldn't say we must try to go 40 days with out food. Unless you wish to starve to death. Then hay don't let me stand in your way, though as I said, don't try it.

Mat 4:3During that time the devil came and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become loaves of bread."
Mat 4:4But Jesus told him, "No! The Scriptures say, 'People do not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.

Some may over look this, yet it does need to be seen. When Yeshua replied to Satan, He was not speaking souly of mortal life. As anyone that knows the teachings of Yeshua can attest, Yeshua spent His time teaching of what is to come, how to get there, and how to live in this world. So looking at this passage, one can understand that living by the words of HaShem becomes a way of life over time. At lest for believers. So does it not fit that Yeshua would be speaking of eternal life, rather than mortal life?
We do agree that the argument of both can be found in this passage, as well the rest of Yeshua's teaching.

Mat 4:5Then the devil took him to the holy city, Jerusalem, to the highest point of the Temple,
Mat 4:6and said, "If you are the Son of God, jump off! For the Scriptures say, 'He will order his angels to protect you. And they will hold you up with their hands so you won't even hurt your foot on a stone.
Mat 4:7Jesus responded, "The Scriptures also say, 'You must not test the LORD your God.
Luke 4:9-12

Mat 4:8Next the devil took him to the peak of a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
Mat 4:9"I will give it all to you," he said, "if you will kneel down and worship me."
Mat 4:10"Get out of here, Satan," Jesus told him. "For the Scriptures say, 'You must worship the LORD your God and serve only him.
Luke 4:5-8

Though some wish to make note that the account of Luke isn't in the same order, that holds little in the way of it teaches us about Yeshua. What we do find if really look at the human heart, is that Yeshua faced temptations we face every day. Though we are not offered greatness, or kingship, in the hearts of some the temptations are there. Some people would love to be great leaders. Worshiped, and adorned in the best of everything. Thankfully we don't think that way. Yet if we had a valid offer for that kind of thing, how many would take it?
I know there is a long way to go, yet I am going to stop here for now. You see, it seems as though intrest in this topic has faded, and I understand. Life does get in the way when we let it. So For now I am not going to stop, and get to my own study.
 

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One thing must be understood before we more on. when we see the word scripture used, we must understand this to be what most call the Old Testament. Like wise when we read, "It is written". You see they didn't have anything other than the Tanakh to turn to as scripture. Every writer we find in what is called the New testament, had only the Tanakh to back their teachings. So anytime we find anyone saying the Tanakh was replaced, it becomes clear they have no true understanding.