Do we decide to be saved?
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it's basically a result of brutally honest self evaluation.
if it is up to me, chances of me messing it up are astronomical.
Yeah, and that's not eternal security. Therefore calvinism (and hobbesism) does NOT teach eternal security
SG, I have been raised with several Baptist and several Pentecostal and some dispensational teachings. The differences in all Christian denominations differ in some aspects...but through them all there is a common tie...Jesus Christ and Grace. The Bible says that under the blood of Christ we are one body. I have a personal relationship and call Jesus friend. I believe we still speak in tongue and prophesy in part. It is a very personal belief because I believe and have knowledge it is truth written on my heart. He uses me. I have had visions very much to do with my calling so I would understand what that good work is that He's made me for. I do not ask to believe. That may not be their walk or calling. There are others who share the same visions. That is why I disagreed.
I love ya brother.
Ok but we have to define what does it mean to endure to the end and what are we enduring. Likewise eternal security what does that mean also.
Well, all I can say is that eternal security is NOT a licesen to sin. God bless.
Enduring to the end... if you read Matthew 24 and Mark 13 in context, you will find out to which time that applies
One is not saved, i.e. born again of the Spirit, until one believes as evidenced in the context of John 3. Also as evidenced by Ephesians 1:14 - hear, believe, receive, i.e. sealed.
But we have had this conversation many times!
I believe you may be mistaken in the fact that they do not believe eternal security is a license to sin.
I understand the definition of enduring to the end.
Regardless of all afflictions, trials, tribulations, vicissitudes, and martyrdoms, trust in the grace of God through Christ and His finished work of redemption must remain and prevail in every believer's life. If it was genuine faith to begin with. As Scripture says we are KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD.
Eternal security is very simple -- Christ in you the hope of glory. And you in Christ.
One is not saved, i.e. born again of the Spirit, until one believes as evidenced in the context of John 3. Also as evidenced by Ephesians 1:14 - hear, believe, receive, i.e. sealed.
But we have had this conversation many times!
And yet the ability to believe comes from God.[John 6:29]
So - Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” means "the work of God is to give you the ability to believe"? "Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval. Then they asked him, What must we do to do the works God requires? Jesus answered, "The work of God (the work that God requires - work for food that endures to eternal life) is this: to believe in the one he has sent.
Sirs, what must I do to be saved? (eternal life) Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved . . . .
In my case, I believe that the Lord brought me to the end of myself so that when he drew me by His spirit, I could and would respond.
The spiritual world that God lives in operates differently than our world of the body. For instance, in God's world there is no time, everything simply is for God is eternal. We choose our way minute by minute, we live differently. Space and measurements are different for God, for God does not have a physical body. For us, we can choose what we think and do, but God knows our choices in a way we can not understand for we do not experience things is the way God does.
God has given us His grace, it is over and done with. It was His to give and was in His hands.
Now we have other things to think about for we are made aware of tremendous power for us to use. Being saved was the first step, it is over, now we have an entire walk with God. We have to learn how to accept and use this power we have been given. That!!! is where the essence of life is at.
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So you believe a non believer can chose to be saved, His destiny is not pre-determined? when did you change?
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enduring to the end is not about spiritual salvation, It is about the end of tribulation, and speaks of having ones physical life saved.
it has nothign to do with eternal security or lack of. Because it is not talking about eternal salvation.
It is NOT "over and done with". If that were true we would not have this exhortation:
King James Bible (2 Pet 2:18)
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
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saved from what tribulation ?? And I suppose you do not believe that Mt. 24:24 is talking about our day say verses the day back then ??