Sorry, I don't see how you are getting that out of this passage. It's not addressing or referring to parents having or not having children, or whether contraception is a sin. That's a different subject. It's literally about faith being God-given and granted, which doesn't come through our will or decision. I understand how it might sound similar, but maybe give it another read through. Have a great night!
Do u use contraception ?
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Sorry, I don't see how you are getting that out of this passage. It's not addressing or referring to parents having or not having children, or whether contraception is a sin. That's a different subject. It's literally about faith being God-given and granted, which doesn't come through our will or decision. I understand how it might sound similar, but maybe give it another read through. Have a great night!
I think you are really listening to what you are saying. IN your mind you say:
"that if masturbation is satisfying the lust of the flesh , then what is intercourse with contraception ?"
There are many reasons why one uses contraception. However, if one doesn't become pregnant because of inabilities to have children is having sex only self-gratification or are they still trying to have children? God opened the womb of many baren women FYI they were having sex long before God opened it. The fact that the context of Self-gratification means you are the only one doing it. That is not the case with those who have sexual relations and use contraceptive is it?
Here is the verse:
"children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God." (John 1:13)
I am "getting" this from the chosen verbiage in the verse.
The verse is contrasting two types of people, physical and spiritual.
God choses the spiritual birth and humans (husband) decide the physical birth i.e. contraception.
The words are there (human decision/husband's will), you seem to just gloss over them.
I do understand that the verse is not speaking of contraception but the image is there.
But you keep leaving out the context, which is key. The bible often uses the terms birth and born to indicate salvation, and it's nothing to do with physical childbirth or a parent's decision to have/not have children. Same here. It's simply God making clear it's He who chooses and saves. We become children of God through His decision. I'm not seeing the double meaning you are applying -
John 1:6 A man came, one sent from God, and his name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light. 9 This was the true Light that, coming into the world, enlightens every person. 10 He was in the world, and the world came into being through Him, and yet the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own people did not accept Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a man, but of God.
No worries, though. It's all good. We'll just have to agree that we disagree. Take good care and have a blessed day!
I think a lot of mammals have sex for pleasure. If you visit the monkey or ape section at the zoo at the wrong time... I don't know if these creatures are necessarily thinking intellectually about having babies. They are likely driven by a desire for pleasure and release.
If you aren't thinking about making babies and have no intention to make one if you have sex with your own spouse is that 'having sex just to satisfy your fleshly lusts.'
It's an acceptable way to satisfy a bodily desire that doesn't have to involve any coveting, i.e. lust.
i never have used contraceptives. your question doesn't make sense. a wife & husband engaged in sex without the meaning of love in lovemaking is sex & not lovemaking. we all know the terms involved here. sometimes the quick version may decrease love's true meaning a bit but love is never expunged totally. true romantic love making, although that's the #1 act of lovemaking, isn't the only type. yes, there is funny, "fooling around" type of lovemaking. remember, the Bible teaches: "do not defraud ye one another except it be a time of consent......". i support married couples, especially younger ones, using contraceptives if they don't want kids yet. if the money isn't there in the present state & in the future bank account, wait til your ready, that simple.
If having sex with a condom is masturbating, what would you say to this conversation.
Wife: You committed adultery with her!
Husband: Well, no not physically. I did send some texts, and there was some physical contact.
Wife: Well, if you didn't go all the way, I think I can forgive that and stay with you... but you have to stop talking to her. Tell me now. What did you do?
Husband: Well, we didn't go all the way. It was just shy of physical adultery. We kind of... masturbated together.
Wife: What! That's awful. But, since I said I could take you back if you didn't go all the way, we can stay together. What exactly did you do.
Husband: We had intercourse with a condom, but since it was with a condom, it wasn't real intercourse. It was just masturbation.
Wife: You have a point there. With a condom? That wasn't real sex. I guess it wasn't the real deal. Okay.... well... you'd better behave yourself.
Not realistic at all.
Can you imagine on the day of judgment, the fellow defending himself.
"Well, technically, we didn't have sex. You see, we used a condom."
Or the politician in Congress.
"I said I did not have sexual relations with that woman before. I did not perjure myself. I know you have pictures, but it wasn't sexual relations, because we used a condom."
Then of course Congress lets him off, of course.
If you can't tell, I find the reasoning in the OP to be flawed.
Wife: You committed adultery with her!
Husband: Well, no not physically. I did send some texts, and there was some physical contact.
Wife: Well, if you didn't go all the way, I think I can forgive that and stay with you... but you have to stop talking to her. Tell me now. What did you do?
Husband: Well, we didn't go all the way. It was just shy of physical adultery. We kind of... masturbated together.
Wife: What! That's awful. But, since I said I could take you back if you didn't go all the way, we can stay together. What exactly did you do.
Husband: We had intercourse with a condom, but since it was with a condom, it wasn't real intercourse. It was just masturbation.
Wife: You have a point there. With a condom? That wasn't real sex. I guess it wasn't the real deal. Okay.... well... you'd better behave yourself.
Not realistic at all.
Can you imagine on the day of judgment, the fellow defending himself.
"Well, technically, we didn't have sex. You see, we used a condom."
Or the politician in Congress.
"I said I did not have sexual relations with that woman before. I did not perjure myself. I know you have pictures, but it wasn't sexual relations, because we used a condom."
Then of course Congress lets him off, of course.
If you can't tell, I find the reasoning in the OP to be flawed.
I'm with you on the above. Marriage definitely serves other purposes than having children. Children can obviously be the result of marriage but I don't see the Bible saying it's the whole goal and only purpose of marriage. You raise an excellent observation of the potential hypocrisy of using modern technology to avoid pain in childbirth.
It does seem to me that I'm unable to get my point across in this matter . I've stated what it is a couple of times now but I'm obviously not making myself clear , so I'm giving up on this thread . U may all continue without me of course . May God bless u all .
It's 10-30pm on Tuesday , I'm not leaving the siteHope you come back.
King David was referred to by our Creator as a man of "my own heart", and that was after Bathsheba as I get it, and before a Savior.
Contraceptive do or don't doesn't seem a concern.
Suze- are you up late of early?
blessings
I'm just a bit tired of trying to explain my point in this thread 
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It's 10-30pm on Tuesday , I'm not leaving the site
you were told the answer was no to your question.
what else do you want LOL.
Listen I think anyone who has purposed in their heart to do this act will do it.
No matter what is said, but if one feel guilty and ashamed or in doubt it is right to do this act. Yet will constantly seek approval from other over seeking God and asking Him if this is right. fully knows the answer.
