Do the willingly ignorant go to hell by accident?

[Intersection]

Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Matthew 23:33
You serpents, generation of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of hell?

 

[DeplorableMenace]

Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Matthew 23:33
You serpents, generation of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of hell?

Is the judgement of hell the same thing as Hell itself?

 

[Intersection]

Is the judgement of hell the same thing as Hell itself?

Revelation 20:14
And hell and death were cast into the pool of fire. This is the second death.

 

[SomeDisciple]

When I think of a willfully ignorant person, I think of the people that are dismissive of God and the bible altogether. The ravenous wolves of Matt 7 are hardly ignorant people; they know the scriptures, but they don't believe them. Nobody goes on accident, though.

 

[DeplorableMenace]

Revelation 20:14
And hell and death were cast into the pool of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:14
And hell and death were cast into the pool of fire. This is the second death.

What happens to hell and death after they're cast into the pool?

 

[Intersection]

What happens to hell and death after they're cast into the pool?

1 After these things I heard as it were the voice of much people in heaven, saying: Alleluia. Salvation, and glory, and power is to our God. 2 For true and just are his judgments, who hath judged the great harlot which corrupted the earth with her fornication, and hath revenged the blood of his servants, at her hands. 3 And again they said: Alleluia. And her smoke ascendeth for ever and ever. 4 And the four and twenty ancients, and the four living creatures fell down and adored God that sitteth upon the throne, saying: Amen; Alleluia. 5 And a voice came out from the throne, saying: Give praise to our God, all ye his servants; and you that fear him, little and great.

 

[GWH]

Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Matthew 23:33
You serpents, generation of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of hell?

Probably not, but hell is the logical/just consequence of willfully ignoring GW,
and justice is good/righteous.

 

[lrs68]

Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Matthew 23:33
You serpents, generation of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of hell?

Romans 1 tells us that God has manifested Himself to them but they reject God.

Corinthians tells us that God has manifested Himself in their consciousness but they reject God.


But Matthew 7:23 is interesting because those few Verses show us people that have done works using the Name of Yeshua\Jesus [(cast out demons, miracles, etc)] but ultimately they were called Workers of Iniquity and didn't do the Will of God [which we read is to believe that Jesus is Who He claims to be].

So they didn't really believe Jesus was Who He said but at the same time they were able to use His Name to do great things.


To answer the question that can be read in the title of this Thread we do read in places that God made Himself known but they rejected God. I don't know if someone who has been made aware of something like God is real and then reject that is doing it by accident. It could be they don't fully understand, or do understand but too ignorant to do the correct thing. But let's say they plan on living for God some day but died before they lived for God....it could be classified as accidental, more like tragic accident.

Great Question!

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

willingly ignorant?
Or:

"For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are​

clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even​

His Eternal Power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"​

(Romans 1:20 AV)​

​

willingly Disobedient?

Amen.

 

[CS1]

No one goes to hell by accident. Sin sends one there. There is not one righteous, not one, all have sinned and fallen short

 

[Webers.Home]

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● Matt 7:22-23 . . Many will say to me on that day: Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform
many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly: I never knew you.

Several times during his ministry, Jesus urged folks to contact him.

● Matt 11:28-29 . . Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I
will give you rest.

● John 4:10-14 . .If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for
a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living
water.

● John 7:37 . . On the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and
said in a loud voice: If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink!

When Jesus says "come" and/or "ask" he expects his audiences to respond
with an RSVP.

● John 5:39 . . .You diligently study the scriptures because you think that by
them you possess eternal life. These are the scriptures that testify about
me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

Not only Jesus, but also his Father urges folks to connect with His son

● John 6:44-45 . . No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me
draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the
prophets: "They will all be taught by God." Everyone who listens to the
Father and learns from Him comes to me.

Prayer can be thought of as rapport: defined as a friendly relationship
marked by ready communication and mutual understanding; which is the
opposite of Matt 7:22-23 wherein a number of super saints somehow failed
to initiate an intimate, person-to-person, association with the one man in
Christianity that matters most.
_

 

[DeplorableMenace]

.
● Matt 7:22-23 . . Many will say to me on that day: Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform
many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly: I never knew you.

Several times during his ministry, Jesus urged folks to contact him.

● Matt 11:28-29 . . Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I
will give you rest.

● John 4:10-14 . .If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for
a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living
water.

● John 7:37 . . On the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and
said in a loud voice: If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink!

When Jesus says "come" and/or "ask" he expects his audiences to respond
with an RSVP.

● John 5:39 . . .You diligently study the scriptures because you think that by
them you possess eternal life. These are the scriptures that testify about
me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

Not only Jesus, but also his Father urges folks to connect with His son

● John 6:44-45 . . No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me
draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the
prophets: "They will all be taught by God." Everyone who listens to the
Father and learns from Him comes to me.

Prayer can be thought of as rapport: defined as a friendly relationship
marked by ready communication and mutual understanding; which is the
opposite of Matt 7:22-23 wherein a number of super saints somehow failed
to initiate an intimate, person-to-person, association with the one man in
Christianity that matters most.
_

"Many will say to me on that day: Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform
many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly: I never knew you."

I've always read this as this could be any of us? To be honest, I think I've seen more doers of the word from people outside a mainstream church, than in.
"This is true religion, pure and undefiled, that you visit the orphan, fatherless and widows."

 

[Karlon]

no. the operative word here is, "willingly". something willingly said or done is a cognizant choice made which is opposite from an accident. if someone is willingly, knowingly choosing to commit blasphemy, disbelief in God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit, you are going to hell.

 

[studentoftheword]

No one goes to hell by accident. Sin sends one there. There is not one righteous, not one, all have sinned and fallen short

All sin has been dealt with ---Sin now is Not the issue ---Jesus took all sin for ALL PEOPLE upon him ---once and for all ------Rejecting Jesus who took your Sin Sends you to Hell --------

And if you reject Jesus then you reject the Father as the 2 are one and therefore you have rejected the Holy Spirit as well ---as there is only ONE GOD --so Hell is your only option ------

 

[studentoftheword]

I think I've seen more doers of the word from people outside a mainstream church, than in.
"This is true religion, pure and undefiled, that you visit the orphan, fatherless and widows."

While Unbelievers can do good works ----that will not get them into Heaven ------Only receiving Jesus as your Lord and Saviour by and through the right Faith will get you into Heaven -----

God's Faith will propel you to do good works and it Gives God the Glory -----

When unbelievers do good works they glorify themselves not God ----as all unbeliever are separated from God --

 

[DeplorableMenace]

While Unbelievers can do good works ----that will not get them into Heaven ------Only receiving Jesus as your Lord and Saviour by and through the right Faith will get you into Heaven -----

God's Faith will propel you to do good works and it Gives God the Glory -----

When unbelievers do good works they glorify themselves not God ----as all unbeliever are separated from God --

What if they're a believer but the other church doesn't believe them? As much as Catholics practice their faith, I'm still not a Catholic. But, I don't condemn them as not believing. So, who decides? How else would one know? Shouldn't we know them by their fruit? What do you mean by right faith?

 

[studentoftheword]

What if they're a believer but the other church doesn't believe them?

Have no Idea what you mean here if your a True believer it doesn't matter who believes them God knows they are a True believer and if they do good works then they are Glorifying God ---and they will want to give God the Credit for their Good works -----

There are many False Christians roaming around today ----wolves in sheep's clothing

As much as Catholics practice their faith, I'm still not a Catholic

Denominational Religion has nothing to do with how much you practice your Faith ---the Holy Spirit who dwells in the True Believer encourages you to practice your True Faith -----

I don't condemn them as not believing. So, who decides? How else would one know? Shouldn't we know them by their fruit?

I hope you don't condemn them ----God knows everyone's heart and He knows all our motives in what we do ----you or I do not ----only God knows those things -----

Your Quote here
Shouldn't we know them by their fruit?

Question -----What fruit are you speaking about ???????

They should show the fruits of the Spirit ----and these fruits should be showing all the time no matter what comes against you -----

In Galatians 5:22-23, Paul describes the fruit we should bear: “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, ...

This love here is Agape --it is unconditional and only true believers can have it ------this love never fails

Unbelievers live in this world and cannot show these fruits consistently all the time as the cares of the world knock them off and the loose the composure and their emotions rule them ---their love is human love and is conditional and human love Fails most of the time -----their fruits are that of this world

What do you mean by right faith?

There are 3 kinds of Faith in Scripture ---they are described in James 2-----2 are non producing Faiths ----the right Faith is a Faith that produces God's Promises in our Lives -----and this is called saving Faith and it is the only Faith that will Save you -----it is Faith in the unseen -----It comes from Hearing God's word -----the right Faith is inbirthed in a person who's heart has been Changed from a Hardened heart to a soft heart By God the Father so they are receptive to the Hearing of God;s word ------
Unbelievers do not have Saving Faith ---their hearts are hardened to the message ----Just like the Pharisees hearts were hardened and they rejected what Jesus was saying ----


AI Overview

The Bible speaks of three kinds of faith: dead faith, demonic faith, and dynamic (or saving) faith. Dead faith is a belief that lacks action or works, demonic faith is an intellectual assent to the truth without trust or reliance on God, and dynamic faith is a living faith that expresses itself through obedience and good works.

 

[CS1]

All sin has been dealt with ---Sin now is Not the issue ---Jesus took all sin for ALL PEOPLE upon him ---once and for all ------Rejecting Jesus who took your Sin Sends you to Hell --------

And if you reject Jesus then you reject the Father as the 2 are one and therefore you have rejected the Holy Spirit as well ---as there is only ONE GOD --so Hell is your only option ------

Rejecting Jesus means one's sin is not forgiven, and one's sin brings judgment with eternal consequences. And to reject something you must have had something offered to you.

 

[studentoftheword]

Rejecting Jesus means one's sin is not forgiven

NO THAT IS FALSE ----Rejecting Jesus is rejecting the One who took your sins ---all your sins for all time -

All Sin has been dealt with -----so you go to Hell for Rejecting the person who took all your sins -----your sins are already forgiven by and through the shed blood of Jesus that covered all sin for all people for all time ---Rejecting Jesus does make your sin come back to you -----if that is true than God is a liar ---

SHOW me a Scripture that says rejecting Jesus brings back your sins -------

AI Overview

Yes, the Bible teaches that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was a one-time, sufficient atonement for the sins of all people, past, present, and future. Passages like 1 John 2:2 and Hebrews 10:10 emphasize that Christ's sacrifice was a complete and final payment for sin,

No post your scripture that counter acts that --------

 

[DeplorableMenace]

Rejecting Jesus means one's sin is not forgiven, and one's sin brings judgment with eternal consequences. And to reject something you must have had something offered to you.

The sin was forgiven on the Cross. It's a matter of repentance and acceptance of His grace, now.