Do SDA believe Michael is God?
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Yes, "SDA" believe "that Michael is indeed Jesus / God our Saviour". "SDA" believe that the name/designation Michael is just another of the Son's many names.
Use the same argument:
Isa 43:28: "Therefore I have profaned the princes of the sanctuary, and have given Jacob to the curse, and Israel to reproaches."
Is Jesus a "prince" of "the sanctuary"?
How is that proof that Michael is Jesus, when the Bible calls him "Michael the Archangel" (a created being)? Yes, the SDAs (and several cults) believe falsely that Michael is Jesus. This was one of Ellen G. White's false teachings. She even wrote that Jesus is NOT the Lord God Almighty,
Curious. You said that "Michael" is "a created being". How did you determine this? I do not read that in scripture.
"several cults"??? The whole of the Reformation believed and taught nearly identical to what "SDA" believe and in many cases identically.
If Michael is our Savior, why doesn't the NT say so. Michael is BARELY mentioned in the NT.
You seemed to have lost the part of the reply where "SDA" believe that Jesus and Michael are but two names/designations for the same Person/Being, that of the Son. Just like Immanuel, or David or Adam, or Word, etc.
You're being evasive. Where in the NT does it say Michael is our Savior? It doesn't! Jesus is my Savior. Michael is BARELY mentioned in the NT!
Actually, the "Bible students" got the doctrine from "Adventist" (who got it from the Reformation) but ended up twisting it half way back to Roman Catholicism.
All angels, archangels, cherubim and seraphim are CREATED beings. When the Bible speaks of "thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers" that is a reference to the hierarchies of angels (holy or evil). And the Lord Jesus Christ (the Creator) has created Michael and all these hierarchies of angels.
[Christ] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. (Colossians 1:15-17)
And lest we mistakenly assume that "the firstborn of every creature" means that Christ Himself is a creature, we have this statement in Hebrews 1:8-10: But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Then tell us where the NT says Michael is the Savior. It doesn't!
Acts 4:12 (NKJV)
12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
CARM and Matt Slick (whom I would be glad to openly debate/share with in this forum on the subject) mix two subjects in that article. (1) Michael and the terrible atrocity that is (2) CWP (so called Clear Word Paraphrase by J. Blanco). It would have been better to not attempt to mix the two subjects and instead address one at a time.
If any conflate the two in this thread, I will only be addressing (1). If any need to address the abomimation that is (2), would be happy do so in another thread as time allows.
Is the Word the Saviour?
Is Immanuel the Saviour?
Is the last Adam the Saviour?
Is the David of Ezekiel the Saviour?
If indeed that Michael is simply another name/designation for the Son of the Father, the question is simply answered, isn't it?
Yes
Yes
I think so.
No
IF? Thanks for admitting that Michael is your savior! Jesus is my Savior!
That is an assumption not supported by the definition of the words (mal'ak, aggelos, angel), neither by the text of scripture itself.
Malachi 3:1 HOT - הנני שלח מלאכי ופנה דרך לפני ופתאם יבוא אל היכלו האדון אשר אתם מבקשים ומלאך הברית אשר אתם חפצים הנה בא אמר יהוה צבאות׃
Malachi 3:1 HOT transliterated - 3:1 hin'niy sholëªch mal'äkhiy ûfiNäh-derekh' l'fänäy ûfit'om yävô el-hëykhälô häädôn ásher-aTem m'vaq'shiym ûmal'akh' haB'riyt ásher-aTem cháfëtziym hiNëh-vä ämar y'hwäh tz'väôt
Malachi 3:1 so called lxx - ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ ἐξαποστέλλω τὸν ἄγγελόν μου καὶ ἐπιβλέψεται ὁδὸν πρὸ προσώπου μου καὶ ἐξαίφνης ἥξει εἰς τὸν ναὸν ἑαυτοῦ κύριος ὃν ὑμεῗς ζητεῗτε καὶ ὁ ἄγγελος τῆς διαθήκης ὃν ὑμεῗς θέλετε ἰδοὺ ἔρχεται λέγει κύριος παντοκράτωρ
The Son of God is directly called "the angel of the covenant" (ûmal'akh' haB'riyt ; ὁ ἄγγελος τῆς διαθήκης). He is uncreated and eternal.
The words mal'ak or aggelos or even angel, simply means "messenger, ambassador, that which carries a message". Created or Uncreated have nothing to do with the meaning of the words.
All 4 Gospels cite Malachi.
You are saying that the following is not a reference to the Son of the Father?
Ezek 34:24: "And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it."
Ezek 34:23: "And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd."
Ezek 37:24: "And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them."
Ezek 37:25: "And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever."