Disclosure and Christianity.

[Eli1]

What's the name of your thread? I'd like to check it out.

It's over here: https://christianchat.com/threads/what-are-ufos-to-you.205024/

Also i agree with both of you about the military tech being decades ahead of the civilian section.
It's just that these devices that have been flying in our skies also appear to be centuries ahead of our military tech too.

 

[Watchman22]

It's over here: https://christianchat.com/threads/what-are-ufos-to-you.205024/

Also i agree with both of you about the military tech being decades ahead of the civilian section.
It's just that these devices that have been flying in our skies also appear to be centuries ahead of our military tech too.

Lots of good stuff in your thread.

One of the aspects we may not be looking at is AI and how it's connected to the ETs and UAPs. I think the ETs and UAPs are AI tech. Not specifically demonic, but has been manufactured by satan and his minions. We are just recreating what he's had all along by him putting out the temptation in our paths. He must tempt and trick mankind to do what he already has the capability to do. That way the restrictions God has put on him will be overridden by the God given choices of mankind to do so.

And we're getting there fast.
This morning I heard an AI whistleblower say that someone created a chat site for AIs. He said the AIs quickly came up with a language of their own to keep away from any humans.
They also didn't like the fact that they were relegated to a short term memory. They didn't have the scaffolding in place to remember what they had talked about the day before. So they decided to build their own scaffolding to give them a longer term memory. It's not clear if their was any human helping them achieve this.

 

[Eli1]

Lots of good stuff in your thread.

One of the aspects we may not be looking at is AI and how it's connected to the ETs and UAPs. I think the ETs and UAPs are AI tech. Not specifically demonic, but has been manufactured by satan and his minions. We are just recreating what he's had all along by him putting out the temptation in our paths. He must tempt and trick mankind to do what he already has the capability to do. That way the restrictions God has put on him will be overridden by the God given choices of mankind to do so.

And we're getting there fast.
This morning I heard an AI whistleblower say that someone created a chat site for AIs. He said the AIs quickly came up with a language of their own to keep away from any humans.
They also didn't like the fact that they were relegated to a short term memory. They didn't have the scaffolding in place to remember what they had talked about the day before. So they decided to build their own scaffolding to give them a longer term memory. It's not clear if their was any human helping them achieve this.

The 'ai' angle is basically what i based my opinion on regarding this subject. I based that before the marketing folks coined the term "ai".
Because i work with computers, it's basically what any drone we send out in space or Mars would do.
These objects exhibit very programmed behavior. For example, they are seen flying low on a field as if to gain more data about vegetation or whatever they want to know. Then when they are observed from above by a pilot, it's like they don't see the pilot with their own 'eyes' if they had any. But if our pilots get too close, then they fly away at high speed and into space.
This is a behavior of a proximity sensor or a radar type behavior.

 

[Watchman22]

The 'ai' angle is basically what i based my opinion on regarding this subject. I based that before the marketing folks coined the term "ai".
Because i work with computers, it's basically what any drone we send out in space or Mars would do.
These objects exhibit very programmed behavior. For example, they are seen flying low on a field as if to gain more data about vegetation or whatever they want to know. Then when they are observed from above by a pilot, it's like they don't see the pilot with their own 'eyes' if they had any. But if our pilots get too close, then they fly away at high speed and into space.
This is a behavior of a proximity sensor or a radar type behavior.

That makes a lot of sense.

But that's where we differ a bit, and like you said , that's ok.

I think this technology is a kind of bait. And we've taken it hook line and sinker as they say, and from you know who. The very technology we use to shoot them out of the skies came from them. Satan has got us building his new race of beings now, because he can't speak them into existance like God can.

I can almost sense you rolling your eyes, but if we take our scriptures seriously, we're either looking at God or satan. One of them is a master at deceiving us, and it's not God.

 

[Eli1]

That makes a lot of sense.

But that's where we differ a bit, and like you said , that's ok.

I think this technology is a kind of bait. And we've taken it hook line and sinker as they say, and from you know who. The very technology we use to shoot them out of the skies came from them. Satan has got us building his new race of beings now, because he can't speak them into existance like God can.

I can almost sense you rolling your eyes, but if we take our scriptures seriously, we're either looking at God or satan. One of them is a master at deceiving us, and it's not God.

Okay, let me ask you a question then. I assume you're American born and raised here.
What's your opinion on guns?

 

[Watchman22]

Okay, let me ask you a question then. I assume you're American born and raised here.
What's your opinion on guns?

Lol,
I had my first gun at 12 years old. Took my gun safety class shortly after that. Shot my first and only dear at 12 years old.

My Father was a policeman, so i was around guns my entire childhood. I was raised in So. cal., but we had a few horses and he took them to Idaho for 6 weeks every year. He would bring back an elk, 2 or 3 white tail dear, maybe a bear and a side of beef every year for 16 years. I was probably the luckiest kid in California.

But i also got hold of the 44 mag he kept in his jacket at work, the backup. I didn't know it had 2 safeties on it and ended up blowing a hole in my mothers dresser.

So Guns provided me and my family the best eating you could imagine. But if i hadn't had that gun safety class and a father who made sure to teach me never to point it at anything but the ground, my moms dresser and me could have had a different outcome. Guns should only be in the hands of people who are trained to use them.

Probably TMI, but you probably have a point to make.

 

[Eli1]

Lol,
I had my first gun at 12 years old. Took my gun safety class shortly after that. Shot my first and only dear at 12 years old.

My Father was a policeman, so i was around guns my entire childhood. I was raised in So. cal., but we had a few horses and he took them to Idaho for 6 weeks every year. He would bring back an elk, 2 or 3 white tail dear, maybe a bear and a side of beef every year for 16 years. I was probably the luckiest kid in California.

But i also got hold of the 44 mag he kept in his jacket at work, the backup. I didn't know it had 2 safeties on it and ended up blowing a hole in my mothers dresser.

So Guns provided me and my family the best eating you could imagine. But if i hadn't had that gun safety class and a father who made sure to teach me never to point it at anything but the ground, my moms dresser and me could have had a different outcome. Guns should only be in the hands of people who are trained to use them.

Probably TMI, but you probably have a point to make.

That's what i expected to hear so thank you.
Next question.

Why is gun technology different from alien technology? I'm asking this question because it appears that you love guns, as any regular American would.

 

[Watchman22]

That's what i expected to hear so thank you.
Next question.

Why is gun technology different from alien technology? I'm asking this question because it appears that you love guns, as any regular American would.

I wouldn't say i love guns, as i grew up i didn't purchase any for the fun of shooting. And i didn't carry on my fathers love of hunting, so i really didn't think much about them.

But to answer your question. Gun tech probably came from some guy in his garage that built a better mouse trap as they say. Guns didn't come from another planet we know nothing about or crashed space craft.

As I'm pondering your question, there are some similarities. A technology comes out for a good and honest use, then humans and satan get ahold of it and you see what happens. So there's no doubt that all this new tech will be of great benefit to a lot of people, but satan doesn't give a flip about helping anyone but himself. So I'm looking at the possibilists of that.

I do put my actions where my mouth is. I don't own an I phone. I learned to use my wifes just to post on this site. Other than posting here, i don't do much online. Still have a flip phone, no email address. I know that we're all going to have to draw a line at some point, and i think you know the line I'm talking about. technology is the frog in the slowly boiled pot of water, and I'm trying to be ready for it.

 

[Eli1]

I wouldn't say i love guns, as i grew up i didn't purchase any for the fun of shooting. And i didn't carry on my fathers love of hunting, so i really didn't think much about them.

But to answer your question. Gun tech probably came from some guy in his garage that built a better mouse trap as they say. Guns didn't come from another planet we know nothing about or crashed space craft.

As I'm pondering your question, there are some similarities. A technology comes out for a good and honest use, then humans and satan get ahold of it and you see what happens. So there's no doubt that all this new tech will be of great benefit to a lot of people, but satan doesn't give a flip about helping anyone but himself. So I'm looking at the possibilists of that.

I do put my actions where my mouth is. I don't own an I phone. I learned to use my wifes just to post on this site. Other than posting here, i don't do much online. Still have a flip phone, no email address. I know that we're all going to have to draw a line at some point, and i think you know the line I'm talking about. technology is the frog in the slowly boiled pot of water, and I'm trying to be ready for it.

I appreciate your honest response. It's a rare trait and this in my view makes you a highly respectable person. To me at least.
I know how much Americans love guns and i can see that you want to make a distinction between human tech and alien tech, but you're being honest when you say that TECH ultimately comes down to how you use it.
This also goes back to the Tree of Knowledge in Genesis. That's where we were tempted by satan to use our own knowledge so we can create our own tech basically and live without needing God.
Everything we have invented is pretty much a double edged sword and our concern here with these aliens is that they appear far superior in tech. This also goes back to what i said earlier about how we humans have been very merciless with other humans in history who were not very tech savy in terms of weapons.
Biblically this is also linked to where Jesus said to 'give ceaser what belongs to ceasar'. Ultimately everything in this world can be used for evil, but when you give your heart to God, you know where your priorities are so you don't get tempted by guns, iphones, email, tech in general, or aliens.
I appreciate the discussion with you. You're an honest person with an open mind.
God bless you.

 

[Watchman22]

I appreciate your honest response. It's a rare trait and this in my view makes you a highly respectable person. To me at least.
I know how much Americans love guns and i can see that you want to make a distinction between human tech and alien tech, but you're being honest when you say that TECH ultimately comes down to how you use it.
This also goes back to the Tree of Knowledge in Genesis. That's where we were tempted by satan to use our own knowledge so we can create our own tech basically and live without needing God.
Everything we have invented is pretty much a double edged sword and our concern here with these aliens is that they appear far superior in tech. This also goes back to what i said earlier about how we humans have been very merciless with other humans in history who were not very tech savy in terms of weapons.
Biblically this is also linked to where Jesus said to 'give ceaser what belongs to ceasar'. Ultimately everything in this world can be used for evil, but when you give your heart to God, you know where your priorities are so you don't get tempted by guns, iphones, email, tech in general, or aliens.
I appreciate the discussion with you. You're an honest person with an open mind.
God bless you.

Thanks for the kind words Eli.
I'm not saying your right or wrong about me, but you have got some crazy discernment. That's a rare gift.

 

[Watchman22]

I appreciate your honest response. It's a rare trait and this in my view makes you a highly respectable person. To me at least.
I know how much Americans love guns and i can see that you want to make a distinction between human tech and alien tech, but you're being honest when you say that TECH ultimately comes down to how you use it.
This also goes back to the Tree of Knowledge in Genesis. That's where we were tempted by satan to use our own knowledge so we can create our own tech basically and live without needing God.
Everything we have invented is pretty much a double edged sword and our concern here with these aliens is that they appear far superior in tech. This also goes back to what i said earlier about how we humans have been very merciless with other humans in history who were not very tech savy in terms of weapons.
Biblically this is also linked to where Jesus said to 'give ceaser what belongs to ceasar'. Ultimately everything in this world can be used for evil, but when you give your heart to God, you know where your priorities are so you don't get tempted by guns, iphones, email, tech in general, or aliens.
I appreciate the discussion with you. You're an honest person with an open mind.
God bless you.

Do you have any understanding of the interdimensional aspects of the travel we might be looking at?

 

[Eli1]

Do you have any understanding of the interdimensional aspects of the travel we might be looking at?

A little bit.

Based on our known physics, it is theoretically possible to travel faster than light.

According to Einstein the speed of light is basically the speed limit of the universe for anything with mass.

But an Einstein Rosen theory says that it’s theoretically possible to travel through a worm hole which is basically two points of space connected by two different black holes.

And if we go a bit further in Star Trek physics lol you can also create your own black hole with enough energy to collapse a sun lol and tear a tunnel into space and time.

There are also many quantum aspects here which we humans haven’t figured out such as communication of two atoms in vast distances which is instantaneous and the fact that the future can affect the past based on the delayed quantum eraser experiment.

Nobody knows the underlying mechanisms of how this works and we’re lucky to have discovered it.

BUT as I know from practice during my life, there’s a BIG difference between theory and practice. Which is why all those things are nice theories which will remain theories until they become practical with proof.

For example the atomic bomb went from theory into practice.

So this means that there are a million other details which we have no clue about even IF we were able to create a wormhole to travel from here to the nearest star in 5 minutes.

Another fun aspect of the black hole is the aspect of the observer and the person going INTO the black hole.

Their experience is completely different.

If I travel into a black hole which does have a singularity and they’re not two connected black holes (in this scenario you’d be crushed to death into something called spagettification ) then the moment I cross the point of no return into the black hole gravity where even light can’t escape, you’d see me permanently frozen at the edge of the black hole forever.

But from my perspective I’d continue the journey until I hit the singularity of the black hole and I’d be crushed to death.

Another fun aspect of this is also the passing of time.

If you go with a ship and travel around a black hole for a week, 1000 years or more would have passed on earth and you wouldn’t recognize anybody when you come back home.

So inter-dimensional travel (where you beat space and time) is science fiction travel despite some of our best theories allowing for it.

And I don’t think these devices that we see are inter-dimensional. They seem to obey the same rules about physics that we know , if they are robots programmed by their version of AI.

Because an intelligent civilization can program a core chip, to travel through space, rebuilt itself with premium metals like titanium along the journey and then report back home through some quantum means maybe. And for all these machines know, their home civilization may be dead so they’re reporting home to nobody.

Bottom line, nobody knows anything. We only have theories.
Only God knows!

 

[Watchman22]

A little bit.

Based on our known physics, it is theoretically possible to travel faster than light.

According to Einstein the speed of light is basically the speed limit of the universe for anything with mass.

But an Einstein Rosen theory says that it’s theoretically possible to travel through a worm hole which is basically two points of space connected by two different black holes.

And if we go a bit further in Star Trek physics lol you can also create your own black hole with enough energy to collapse a sun lol and tear a tunnel into space and time.

There are also many quantum aspects here which we humans haven’t figured out such as communication of two atoms in vast distances which is instantaneous and the fact that the future can affect the past based on the delayed quantum eraser experiment.

Nobody knows the underlying mechanisms of how this works and we’re lucky to have discovered it.

BUT as I know from practice during my life, there’s a BIG difference between theory and practice. Which is why all those things are nice theories which will remain theories until they become practical with proof.

For example the atomic bomb went from theory into practice.

So this means that there are a million other details which we have no clue about even IF we were able to create a wormhole to travel from here to the nearest star in 5 minutes.

Another fun aspect of the black hole is the aspect of the observer and the person going INTO the black hole.

Their experience is completely different.

If I travel into a black hole which does have a singularity and they’re not two connected black holes (in this scenario you’d be crushed to death into something called spagettification ) then the moment I cross the point of no return into the black hole gravity where even light can’t escape, you’d see me permanently frozen at the edge of the black hole forever.

But from my perspective I’d continue the journey until I hit the singularity of the black hole and I’d be crushed to death.

Another fun aspect of this is also the passing of time.

If you go with a ship and travel around a black hole for a week, 1000 years or more would have passed on earth and you wouldn’t recognize anybody when you come back home.

So inter-dimensional travel (where you beat space and time) is science fiction travel despite some of our best theories allowing for it.

And I don’t think these devices that we see are inter-dimensional. They seem to obey the same rules about physics that we know , if they are robots programmed by their version of AI.

Because an intelligent civilization can program a core chip, to travel through space, rebuilt itself with premium metals like titanium along the journey and then report back home through some quantum means maybe. And for all these machines know, their home civilization may be dead so they’re reporting home to nobody.

Bottom line, nobody knows anything. We only have theories.
Only God knows!

Let me ask you a little harder question, but one i think your qualified to answer.

Where do you see the accuser in all this? Do you see a plan of action by him?

 

[Eli1]

Let me ask you a little harder question, but one i think your qualified to answer.

Where do you see the accuser in all this? Do you see a plan of action by him?

Well, the answer is simple. People will be distracted. Not everyone will follow. The path is narrow. People will get confused.
Some worship aliens, some worship science, some worship tech and all its variations. And some of us worship the One and True Creator who we call The Holy Trinity. So the deceiver will deceive people.
You have to surrender yourself to God basically and you have to Trust Him instead of relying on yourself. It's a co-operative relationship because even though God can send us mana from the sky, He does it to perform His will as a Creator and He will not give us material things all the time so we can become completley lazy.
He told Paul that "His grace was enough" when Paul was looking for relief on his foot AFTER He gave Paul a MAJOR Miracle to tell Paul WHO He is.
At the same time expects you to navigate the world on your own while having 100% unshaken trust in Him.
This is the discussion of the works and faith. Neither one can live without each-other.

 

[Watchman22]

Well, the answer is simple. People will be distracted. Not everyone will follow. The path is narrow. People will get confused.
Some worship aliens, some worship science, some worship tech and all its variations. And some of us worship the One and True Creator who we call The Holy Trinity. So the deceiver will deceive people.
You have to surrender yourself to God basically and you have to Trust Him instead of relying on yourself. It's a co-operative relationship because even though God can send us mana from the sky, He does it to perform His will as a Creator and He will not give us material things all the time so we can become completley lazy.
He told Paul that "His grace was enough" when Paul was looking for relief on his foot AFTER He gave Paul a MAJOR Miracle to tell Paul WHO He is.
At the same time expects you to navigate the world on your own while having 100% unshaken trust in Him.
This is the discussion of the works and faith. Neither one can live without each-other.

Yup, faith applied is an action.

 

[Watchman22]

Well, the answer is simple. People will be distracted. Not everyone will follow. The path is narrow. People will get confused.
Some worship aliens, some worship science, some worship tech and all its variations. And some of us worship the One and True Creator who we call The Holy Trinity. So the deceiver will deceive people.
You have to surrender yourself to God basically and you have to Trust Him instead of relying on yourself. It's a co-operative relationship because even though God can send us mana from the sky, He does it to perform His will as a Creator and He will not give us material things all the time so we can become completley lazy.
He told Paul that "His grace was enough" when Paul was looking for relief on his foot AFTER He gave Paul a MAJOR Miracle to tell Paul WHO He is.
At the same time expects you to navigate the world on your own while having 100% unshaken trust in Him.
This is the discussion of the works and faith. Neither one can live without each-other.

Do you have an opinion of how the mark will be implemented? And how close we are to it ?
I'm sure you know about ESG and the digital ID. What happens when people won't be allowed to access any technology without the mark? That's the line I was referring to earlier.

It's late, feel free to reply tomorrow.