Disclosure and Christianity.

[Eli1]

I wonder why these deep state, satanic world wide , operators allow Steven Grier to openly tell the world about what their doing.

The answer is the one common thread, the one lie satan is banking on. And that's making humans think these extraterrestrial are coming from another solar system, somewhere out there. That's what's important to satan, that the world can be conditioned to think there's something out their in space. He is having success selling this lie even with the help of steven grier. He will eventually sell this lie as an alien invasion, that will actually be the second coming of the Lord Jesus.

And addressing satan being in the earth.

I can accept satan dwelling inside the earth, but him manufacturing the crafts and the alein beings themselves is admittedly harder to comprehend.

But, there's evidence of that being true. And thats the expansion of a manufacturing of the crafts and alein beings by mankind themselves.

Dr. Grier has not given an exact number of these illegal underground black sites throughout the world. But it's a big number. I still think satan has made the original ET crafts and beings, only to put the temptation of reverse engineering them in human hands, now we are willingly doing his work for him. All for that one purpose, to stop the second coming of Christ.

We have some differences in how we interpret Revelation or The Apocalypse as it's called where i come from but i am 100% sure no one can stop the second coming of Jesus.
Also, when it comes to mass-miracles, most people don't usually fight it, they typically surrender to it but i realize that some will fight it DESPITE seeing Miracles.
Jesus did many Miracles and they fought Him! So the element of resistance from the evil is going to be there, but the book of Revelation tells us that God will have the final say.

I did find one of Steven Grier's documentaries on Amazon Prime Video and i will watch it tonight hopefully. It's the one titled Unacknowledged .
He sounds like someone i would enjoy watching based on what you've said so far about him.

 

[Watchman22]

Have you noticed that the same Hebrew phrase is also used in the next verse re: Job? Was Job also inside the earth and that was where he could be found by Satan?

That preposition has a lot of range and the Hebrew language is not English.

The Hebrew word in question is "eres" 776 in the stongs. it's also in my interlinear.

You make a good point. It just highlights what my instructor always said, the Greek is the most precise language on the planet, and the Hebrew is the worst. You've dug up proof of that.

i tried to find a Hebrew word for in or on, and they don't seem to have one.

To your point, there's no "in or on" in either index, but i do run across 1722 a lot in my Greek translating of the NT. for the word in,. The KJV and some others use the word "in" in their translations.

I consider "in the earth" to be in caves, in the oceans, man made underground facilities. I guess we'll find out all these answeres some day.

 

[Watchman22]

We have some differences in how we interpret Revelation or The Apocalypse as it's called where i come from but i am 100% sure no one can stop the second coming of Jesus.
Also, when it comes to mass-miracles, most people don't usually fight it, they typically surrender to it but i realize that some will fight it DESPITE seeing Miracles.
Jesus did many Miracles and they fought Him! So the element of resistance from the evil is going to be there, but the book of Revelation tells us that God will have the final say.

I did find one of Steven Grier's documentaries on Amazon Prime Video and i will watch it tonight hopefully. It's the one titled Unacknowledged .
He sounds like someone i would enjoy watching based on what you've said so far about him.

Complete agreement, the issue isn't if the Lord will prevail, I know He will. The issue is how many called out ones will satan take down with him?

Try and stay away from the sonics and CE5 project he has been building. He attempting to teach the public how to make contact with these entities. I see it as the modern day ouiji boards.

 

[Watchman22]

We have some differences in how we interpret Revelation or The Apocalypse as it's called where i come from but i am 100% sure no one can stop the second coming of Jesus.
Also, when it comes to mass-miracles, most people don't usually fight it, they typically surrender to it but i realize that some will fight it DESPITE seeing Miracles.
Jesus did many Miracles and they fought Him! So the element of resistance from the evil is going to be there, but the book of Revelation tells us that God will have the final say.

I did find one of Steven Grier's documentaries on Amazon Prime Video and i will watch it tonight hopefully. It's the one titled Unacknowledged .
He sounds like someone i would enjoy watching based on what you've said so far about him.

You know what i mean when i say that the world has been conditioned to think or react , "if aliens are real, God isn't."

That's why satan is banking on the lie that their from outer space. And why there's so much secrecy about the reverse engineering.

 

[Watchman22]

Have you noticed that the same Hebrew phrase is also used in the next verse re: Job? Was Job also inside the earth and that was where he could be found by Satan?

That preposition has a lot of range and the Hebrew language is not English.

So studier,
Where you at on this subject?
Lets start at the beginning, do you think as temples of the Holy spirit that we should be educated on the things satan is up to? Or should we just ignore him?

Should weas watchmen draw the line at this stumbling block?

Maybe this is a place we can come together to understand each other better?

 

[studier]

So studier,
Where you at on this subject?
Lets start at the beginning, do you think as temples of the Holy spirit that we should be educated on the things satan is up to? Or should we just ignore him?

Should weas watchmen draw the line at this stumbling block?

Maybe this is a place we can come together to understand each other better?

Satan related to aliens and such things is not an area of interest that's ever caught my attention.

@pinebeach I think mentioned Michael Heiser's Unseen Realm book which I've read along with listening to and reading some other things from him. I enjoyed Unseen Realm especially how Heiser speaks of the Council but most especially how he shows that Jesus began his ministry at what the Text refers to as the seat of Satan on earth and essentially said "game on" (just paraphrasing from memory}. This is our Lord who then defeated the adversary and is going to completely shut them all down and rid us of them at some point. Not intending to speak against Him, but the sooner the better.

@Eli1 is someone I enjoy reading mainly on the News threads. He said something recently that was so off the wall rhetorically re: liberals that stopped me dead in my normal focused track of thinking Scripture and logic and proper reasoning and made me laugh at the contrast of how fallacy can be used effectively when done right in the right context. Big contrast and a good few moments of lol.

My only reason to chime in is that you tend to get locked into thinking the Text says something it doesn't say, which I think you've done here with Job1:7, and you said something about this being a basis for your theory. I don't think it's a good basis from the Text according to that verse and the next one, but nor do I think it precludes theorizing things that may be going on and where.

 

[Eli1]

You know what i mean when i say that the world has been conditioned to think or react , "if aliens are real, God isn't."

Agree with this.

 

[Watchman22]

Satan related to aliens and such things is not an area of interest that's ever caught my attention.

@pinebeach I think mentioned Michael Heiser's Unseen Realm book which I've read along with listening to and reading some other things from him. I enjoyed Unseen Realm especially how Heiser speaks of the Council but most especially how he shows that Jesus began his ministry at what the Text refers to as the seat of Satan on earth and essentially said "game on" (just paraphrasing from memory}. This is our Lord who then defeated the adversary and is going to completely shut them all down and rid us of them at some point. Not intending to speak against Him, but the sooner the better.

@Eli1 is someone I enjoy reading mainly on the News threads. He said something recently that was so off the wall rhetorically re: liberals that stopped me dead in my normal focused track of thinking Scripture and logic and proper reasoning and made me laugh at the contrast of how fallacy can be used effectively when done right in the right context. Big contrast and a good few moments of lol.

My only reason to chime in is that you tend to get locked into thinking the Text says something it doesn't say, which I think you've done here with Job1:7, and you said something about this being a basis for your theory. I don't think it's a good basis from the Text according to that verse and the next one, but nor do I think it precludes theorizing things that may be going on and where.

But you can't say what I'm asserting Job.1:7 could be saying isn't being said either.

 

[studier]

But you can't say what I'm asserting Job.1:7 could be saying isn't being said either.

Well, I already did, at minimum if you want to take the next verse into account and tell us Job is inside the earth too and this is where Satan encountered him when he was walking about inside the earth. Give some room to the difference between the Hebrew and the English language and the fact that the Hebrew preposition has a lot of range.

 

[Eli1]

@Watchman22

I just wanted to say thank you for referring me to this documentary (Unacknowledged).
It was way better than i expected in terms of quality when i compare it to Bob Lazar documentaries or Louis Elizondo documentaries.
It gives a brief historical context which i love, because then a person can look at these events themselves individually for further verification or to get more knowledge on details.
A lot of these events I've seen in other documentaries.
Overall this was an excellent documentary and i really don't have any points to disagree with.

Generally i would say that this topic is a knife with 2 sharp edges.
On one edge you have the military industrial complex who wants control of this tech and doesn't want to release it to the public like Bob Lazar said, which would cause the collapse or many established mechanisms today and create social upheaval. So trillions are wasted on unaccountable projects. This is complete with the mis-information of the media they talked about, and my personal favorite The Internet, which is the cherry on top to create white noise to bury the truth.
The other edge is where gullible scientists want to make contact with species by advertising our location in space with species who may be 100 times more powerful than us. And that's a dangerous prospect onto itself because as we know from our own history, we humans have not been very kind to less technologically evolved humans.
And what if the technological gap is so huge that the relationship would look like our equivalent of human and ant?
Their optimism towards the end of the documentary may be a bit misguided i think but we will never know.

One day at a time, is all i can say.
God, Jesus Christ and The Holy Trinity who have made themselves present in our midst among us by their work or their Miracles, will have the ultimate say in the end.

Thanks and maybe on Sunday i will watch the other documentary Close Encounters of the 5th kind.
God bless you in your journey and may we all see God soon so we can find rest from evil.

 

[Watchman22]

@Watchman22

I just wanted to say thank you for referring me to this documentary (Unacknowledged).
It was way better than i expected in terms of quality when i compare it to Bob Lazar documentaries or Louis Elizondo documentaries.
It gives a brief historical context which i love, because then a person can look at these events themselves individually for further verification or to get more knowledge on details.
A lot of these events I've seen in other documentaries.
Overall this was an excellent documentary and i really don't have any points to disagree with.

Generally i would say that this topic is a knife with 2 sharp edges.
On one edge you have the military industrial complex who wants control of this tech and doesn't want to release it to the public like Bob Lazar said, which would cause the collapse or many established mechanisms today and create social upheaval. So trillions are wasted on unaccountable projects. This is complete with the mis-information of the media they talked about, and my personal favorite The Internet, which is the cherry on top to create white noise to bury the truth.
The other edge is where gullible scientists want to make contact with species by advertising our location in space with species who may be 100 times more powerful than us. And that's a dangerous prospect onto itself because as we know from our own history, we humans have not been very kind to less technologically evolved humans.
And what if the technological gap is so huge that the relationship would look like our equivalent of human and ant?
Their optimism towards the end of the documentary may be a bit misguided i think but we will never know.

One day at a time, is all i can say.
God, Jesus Christ and The Holy Trinity who have made themselves present in our midst among us by their work or their Miracles, will have the ultimate say in the end.

Thanks and maybe on Sunday i will watch the other documentary Close Encounters of the 5th kind.
God bless you in your journey and may we all see God soon so we can find rest from evil.

Im glad you got some good information out of it.
His podcasts are the most up to date as far as information.

I do have some bad news for you though. I get the feeling you like Elizondo, he's one of the deep state misinformation guys.

The best way to get info on this and not get mislead is to only trust Grier.

 

[Eli1]

Im glad you got some good information out of it.
His podcasts are the most up to date as far as information.

I do have some bad news for you though. I get the feeling you like Elizondo, he's one of the deep state misinformation guys.

The best way to get info on this and not get mislead is to only trust Grier.

Yes, i am aware of the comments about Elizondo but from every person i usually try to get some truth.
He is another link in the chain, so what he reveled was significant even if it was controlled. So his name is linked to the reveal which may or may not be controlled. You can't discredit him for that.

 

[Watchman22]

Yes, i am aware of the comments about Elizondo but from every person i usually try to get some truth.
He is another link in the chain, so what he reveled was significant even if it was controlled. So his name is linked to the reveal which may or may not be controlled. You can't discredit him for that.

I heard this morning that the Trump administration is going to start releasing more UAP documents.

It will no doubt point to beings and technologies coming other worlds. But they won't talk about any of the things Steven Grier has uncovered over the past 35 years.

Thats because there is nothing coming from other worlds, that's the big lie. The technologies were observing are 10% satan, ( not fully understanding how) and 90% reverse engineered by humans ( 100 % known how). And the more humans do for satan, the less he has to do.

The alein invasion lie is coming soon, but don't trust what they're telling you. The only thing that makes sense is this will be a defensive reaction to our Lord Jesus Christ returning. The Lord will win, and satan will lose, but how many of our fellow called out ones will fall prey to this satanic lie? How many potential temples of the Holy spirit will this lie prevent?

 

[Watchman22]

Yes, i am aware of the comments about Elizondo but from every person i usually try to get some truth.
He is another link in the chain, so what he reveled was significant even if it was controlled. So his name is linked to the reveal which may or may not be controlled. You can't discredit him for that.

Since I'm already out on this limb, I'll take another step forward.

These are the claims Dr. Grier has been making for decades.

Dr. Steven Greer, a prominent figure in the UFO disclosure movement and founder of The Disclosure Project, claims that anti-gravity technology is real, has been mastered by human-run "black project" groups, and is derived from reverse-engineered, non-human extraterrestrial vehicles. He asserts that these technologies have been suppressed for decades to maintain the current global, economic, and geopolitical order, specifically to protect the oil and energy industries.
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Key aspects of Dr. Greer's claims about anti-gravity machines include:

• Mastery by 1954: Greer claims that secret human, or "unacknowledged Special Access Projects" (SAPs), mastered gravity control and gravity wave propulsion systems as early as October 1954.
• Reverse-Engineered Technology: He asserts that these machines are not just extraterrestrial in origin, but that a rogue, "breakaway" government faction has successfully reproduced them. He refers to these as "Alien Reproduction Vehicles" (ARVs).
• "Free Energy" and Zero-Point Energy: Greer links anti-gravity to "free energy" or zero-point energy, suggesting that the technology could provide nearly unlimited, clean energy, rendering oil, nuclear, and conventional power obsolete.
• Mechanism and Function: He describes these devices as electromagnetic in nature, often utilizing high-voltage, high-frequency systems to create a "gravity control effect" or to bend space-time.
• Suppression and Secrecy: According to Greer, this technology is kept "cosmic top secret"—several levels above the President of the United States—under the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951. He claims that scientists and inventors who developed such devices have faced threats, intimidation, or assassination.
• The "Threat" Narrative: Greer argues that the supposed "alien threat" often presented by intelligence agencies is a false narrative designed to cover up the existence of this human-operated, reverse-engineered technology.

Greer bases these claims on testimonies from hundreds of military, intelligence, and corporate whistleblowers he has interviewed through the Disclosure Project.

Now Dr. Grier is a scientist, no Christian discernment whatso ever. So what his big deal is. that these secret black military industrial companies are just keeping this anti gravity tech a secret because it would disrupt the existing energy grid, and how much money will be lost.

But we as Christians look at things from a different perspective, and sometimes we need to look at the perspective of what satan is doing<, and why he's doing it. If satan is building all this technology up to try and stop the Lord from coming back, what else does satan not want to happen that could have something to do with gravity. Any lights going off? Yes, the rapture. If these secret covert companies have anti gravity machines, then they could affect gravity if and when the rapture happens.

This could not only give those who are raptured for judgement from seeing their judgment, but also give those legit temples of the Holy spirit a choice to stay behind. We know Jesu will prevail, but what damage will satan be able to do with this technology? How many temples of the Holy spirit would change their minds at the last second and choose to stay here?

If your shaking your heads at my understandings of this, here are some things that are for sure true.

1) God is real.
2) Gods word and revelations are true.
3) satan is real, and the concerns Jesus taught about him are real.
4) Satan has a plan to keep his power, and he doesn't give a flip about Beings from other solar systems, or our energy grid.
5) These technologies are at satans fingertips, and are real and available to him, right now!
6) He is going to use those technologies in someway against Jesus very soon.
7) We are like the frog being slowly boiled to death, trusting that there are other worldly beings out there.

The only question to me is, How is satan manufacturing those 10% extraterrestrial beings. maybe he doesn't have to, maybe he just got the technology to mankind and they did the rest.

 

[Eli1]

@Watchman22

I saw the next documentary today because i was curious about Dr. Grier and it starts well by saying that the existence of aliens will make a lot of our religions on earth go through an identity crisis.
I’ve said this myself many years ago because this is also an angle that atheists use.
Because of bad human actors in history using God to control others, atheists have become skeptics due to a bad experience in churches, and for good reason.

However when I discuss this point with atheists, I try to tell them that bad actions of men don’t represent God and God stands sovereign and He intercedes for us in the form of Miracles.
So I agree with this point in the documentary that extraterrestrial life might threaten religions.

However Dr. Grier is being extremely naive to think that an alien species might be peaceful.
This is very wrong in my opinion.
Nobody has any idea what an alien species can do, what their intentions are and their capabilities.
So trying to sing kumbaya with aliens is very immature.

This also confirms my views about these devices being robotic and programmed, because they’re programmed to observe and report but not attack us.
That’s exactly what we as humans would do when we sent a probe in space to learn more about a planet like mars for example.
So instead of thinking this from a practical perspective he’s making it into a “aliens are peaceful” perspective because they’re not attacking us. Not very thoughtful. Because they could be observing which they have been doing since ancient cave paintings by humans. Observe is not the same as peaceful. It’s about gaining information so then you decide what do do after.
Attack, colonize or leave it alone or go in with gifts and be peaceful.

Basically the beginning of the first hour talks about the two opposing views of pacifism and warmongers.
But I don’t think they looked at it from a practical perspective.
If I send a probe or a robot in mars I’m not doing pacifism and not doing war either.
I just want to find out what that planet has in terms or resources , life and everything else and then report back home all the data. It’s as simple as that.

Then they go a bit into this nonsensical spirituality and try to avoid God at all costs while they talk about start trek physics and consciousness lol

I’ve heard this before but when you talk about being all one in the universe on a conscious level ,while this may be technically true from a physics perspective as we understand it now, where we share atoms, once a preconfigured shape designed by God takes material shape then you’re not really one in terms of thought or intent.
Because if you try to put yourself in the middle of lions and think positively that they’re not going to eat you, you’d fail miserably. The lions are guided by hunger and the instinct to kill.

This is why only a God who intervenes in the lives of Saints in history has allowed Saints to NOT be eaten by lions as we see in the story of St Thecla for example. It was God who did it, not Thecla. He intervened.

Then Grier also talks a bit about us humans “harming” the planet which made me laugh a bit because the whole universe itself is in a constant state of explosion since the start (as we understand it) which is chaotic and during this chaos we come in briefly to know our Creator who kept us in a non-chaotic state in The Garden but we got deceived and God allowed our limited free will so we can go through the journey to gain gratefulness for Him and love Him purely as our Father by seeing His work (The Universe) and knowing His Son Jesus Christ.
The planet has been harming itself before we got here and got hammered by asteroids and volcanoes and it’s still here.
There’s also a point in archeological history where the planet has gone through 3 major biological extinction level events and here we are as biological beings created in God’s image.
Who does he blame for Pompei and other natural disasters in history while we humans were here but didn’t have all this tech including nuclear weapons? Not very good thinking imo.
Overall this documentary does what atheists do when they want to avoid God and create word salads in the end.

Everything is connected to God who is the primary mover and we’re all on His hands but as I’ve seen in other documentaries, some people will worship aliens instead of God and get confused with their intent and clarity and create word salads as a by-product.
This documentary wasn’t as good as the other one I would say. A lot of mumbo jumbo.

 

[Watchman22]

@Watchman22

I saw the next documentary today because i was curious about Dr. Grier and it starts well by saying that the existence of aliens will make a lot of our religions on earth go through an identity crisis.
I’ve said this myself many years ago because this is also an angle that atheists use.
Because of bad human actors in history using God to control others, atheists have become skeptics due to a bad experience in churches, and for good reason.

However when I discuss this point with atheists, I try to tell them that bad actions of men don’t represent God and God stands sovereign and He intercedes for us in the form of Miracles.
So I agree with this point in the documentary that extraterrestrial life might threaten religions.

However Dr. Grier is being extremely naive to think that an alien species might be peaceful.
This is very wrong in my opinion.
Nobody has any idea what an alien species can do, what their intentions are and their capabilities.
So trying to sing kumbaya with aliens is very immature.

This also confirms my views about these devices being robotic and programmed, because they’re programmed to observe and report but not attack us.
That’s exactly what we as humans would do when we sent a probe in space to learn more about a planet like mars for example.
So instead of thinking this from a practical perspective he’s making it into a “aliens are peaceful” perspective because they’re not attacking us. Not very thoughtful. Because they could be observing which they have been doing since ancient cave paintings by humans. Observe is not the same as peaceful. It’s about gaining information so then you decide what do do after.
Attack, colonize or leave it alone or go in with gifts and be peaceful.

Basically the beginning of the first hour talks about the two opposing views of pacifism and warmongers.
But I don’t think they looked at it from a practical perspective.
If I send a probe or a robot in mars I’m not doing pacifism and not doing war either.
I just want to find out what that planet has in terms or resources , life and everything else and then report back home all the data. It’s as simple as that.

Then they go a bit into this nonsensical spirituality and try to avoid God at all costs while they talk about start trek physics and consciousness lol

I’ve heard this before but when you talk about being all one in the universe on a conscious level ,while this may be technically true from a physics perspective as we understand it now, where we share atoms, once a preconfigured shape designed by God takes material shape then you’re not really one in terms of thought or intent.
Because if you try to put yourself in the middle of lions and think positively that they’re not going to eat you, you’d fail miserably. The lions are guided by hunger and the instinct to kill.

This is why only a God who intervenes in the lives of Saints in history has allowed Saints to NOT be eaten by lions as we see in the story of St Thecla for example. It was God who did it, not Thecla. He intervened.

Then Grier also talks a bit about us humans “harming” the planet which made me laugh a bit because the whole universe itself is in a constant state of explosion since the start (as we understand it) which is chaotic and during this chaos we come in briefly to know our Creator who kept us in a non-chaotic state in The Garden but we got deceived and God allowed our limited free will so we can go through the journey to gain gratefulness for Him and love Him purely as our Father by seeing His work (The Universe) and knowing His Son Jesus Christ.
The planet has been harming itself before we got here and got hammered by asteroids and volcanoes and it’s still here.
There’s also a point in archeological history where the planet has gone through 3 major biological extinction level events and here we are as biological beings created in God’s image.
Who does he blame for Pompei and other natural disasters in history while we humans were here but didn’t have all this tech including nuclear weapons? Not very good thinking imo.
Overall this documentary does what atheists do when they want to avoid God and create word salads in the end.

Everything is connected to God who is the primary mover and we’re all on His hands but as I’ve seen in other documentaries, some people will worship aliens instead of God and get confused with their intent and clarity and create word salads as a by-product.
This documentary wasn’t as good as the other one I would say. A lot of mumbo jumbo.

Ya, I just gleen out the info he gets from whistleblowers and such, and run it through my own discerning mind of Christ. I do think he is an honest reporter, but his conclusions are just off like you're pointing out.

I really appreciate you doing your due diligence about this topic. And I think for the most part we are on the same page. Im a little concerned that you seem to be all in on that there are aliens coming from outer space. As I've pointed out repeatedly, I understand thats the lie satan is counting on.

If I'm reading you right, you seem to have a little scientist in your blood. I don't think by any means thats a bad thing, just keep your faith grip tight like your saying, and I'll do the same.

 

[Eli1]

Ya, I just gleen out the info he gets from whistleblowers and such, and run it through my own discerning mind of Christ. I do think he is an honest reporter, but his conclusions are just off like you're pointing out.

I really appreciate you doing your due diligence about this topic. And I think for the most part we are on the same page. Im a little concerned that you seem to be all in on that there are aliens come from outer space. As I've pointed out repeatedly, I understand thats the lie satan is counting on.

If I'm reading you right, you seem to have a little scientist in your blood. I don't think by any means thats a bad thing, just keep your faith grip tight like your saying, and I'll do the same.

It's okay if we're a little different. That's by design, which is a good design.
The important thing is that we know who The Holy Trinity is and we place them above anything else.

 

[Watchman22]

Have you noticed that the same Hebrew phrase is also used in the next verse re: Job? Was Job also inside the earth and that was where he could be found by Satan?

That preposition has a lot of range and the Hebrew language is not English.

Have you noticed the second half of the sentence?

Job. 1:7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

We have the statement "Going to and fro in the earth," and the statement that seems to support "in the earth", with, "and from walking up and down in it."

You wouldn't walk up and down on something, You walk up and down in something.

You made a good point with the next verse showing that the Hebrew words for in and on are the same word. But the second half of the sentence seems to support what the original Hebrew text reads, in the earth.

 

[studier]

Have you noticed the second half of the sentence?

Job. 1:7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

We have the statement "Going to and fro in the earth," and the statement that seems to support "in the earth", with, "and from walking up and down in it."

You wouldn't walk up and down on something, You walk up and down in something.

You made a good point with the next verse showing that the Hebrew words for in and on are the same word. But the second half of the sentence seems to support what the original Hebrew text reads, in the earth.

It seems you noted 1:8 has the same wording bā’āretz re: Job as it does where Satan had been roaming around bā’āretz and walking bāh.

Job wasn't inside the earth but in the earth not in the sense of inside the earth but on the earth - and Satan was roaming around in the earth not in the sense of inside the earth but on the earth - and walking in the earth not in the sense of inside the earth but on the earth.

I think this is the reading and the connection to Job makes it make sense.

As I said, it doesn't mean there cannot be theories of what's going on inside the earth. I just don't think this is where I'd get it from.

For your conversations here, I might wonder what's going on under the earth as in Phil2:10 καταχθονίων, and what Hades is all about. There seemingly is a realm below where knees are yet to bow.

 

[Watchman22]

It seems you noted 1:8 has the same wording bā’āretz re: Job as it does where Satan had been roaming around bā’āretz and walking bāh.

Job wasn't inside the earth but in the earth not in the sense of inside the earth but on the earth - and Satan was roaming around in the earth not in the sense of inside the earth but on the earth - and walking in the earth not in the sense of inside the earth but on the earth.

I think this is the reading and the connection to Job makes it make sense.

As I said, it doesn't mean there cannot be theories of what's going on inside the earth. I just don't think this is where I'd get it from.

For your conversations here, I might wonder what's going on under the earth as in Phil2:10 καταχθονίων, and what Hades is all about. There seemingly is a realm below where knees are yet to bow.

Yes studier, that's another whole aspect to this. The center of the earth would make a really good hell.

Thanks for bringing that up.