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Based on Dr. Steven Greer's claims, specifically in recent podcasts and interviews (such as on the PBD Podcast), he often states that gravity control and gravity wave propulsion technologies were mastered by unacknowledged, rogue elements within the US military-industrial comp +1

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Based on Dr. Steven Greer's claims, specifically in recent podcasts and interviews (such as on the PBD Podcast), he often states that gravity control and gravity wave propulsion technologies were mastered by unacknowledged, rogue elements within the US military-industrial comp +1

Ok, let's go with this for a minute. I haven't looked at the video but i wanted to ask you first since you've spent time knowing him.
I could give you a summary of the things i've spent time of knowing.

Does he believe that us humans (or the military) have used gravity-based aircraft in the past or present? Such as the tic tac videos shown recently? Were those objects manned or un-manned?
 
Ok, let's go with this for a minute. I haven't looked at the video but i wanted to ask you first since you've spent time knowing him.
I could give you a summary of the things i've spent time of knowing.

Does he believe that us humans (or the military) have used gravity-based aircraft in the past or present? Such as the tic tac videos shown recently? Were those objects manned or un-manned?

Yup absolutely, the military industrial complex MIC, has been reverse engineering these crafts and the beings over the last 80 years. The abductions, the cattle mutilations, craft sightings, most of these are us! They've perfected this to the point it's hard to tell them apart.

As far as manned or unmanned, as I understand it, we're capable of both.
 
Yup absolutely, the military industrial complex MIC, has been reverse engineering these crafts and the beings over the last 80 years. The abductions, the cattle mutilations, craft sightings, most of these are us! They've perfected this to the point it's hard to tell them apart.

As far as manned or unmanned, as I understand it, we're capable of both.

Okay, so a lot of credibility hinges on the part in the bold because it directly impacts facts about physics. But Dr. Grier sounds interesting so i will definitely look him up.

IF we humans have mastered gravity-based flight AND if we are inside the vehicle AND perform the maneuvers that we see on these videos where our top aircraft can't keep up, then i would say it's a lie.
Because a biological system would be crushed with the equivalent force of being hit by a train, when we see the amount of G forces these devices pull in mid-air with their turns.
So, ANY biological system would die.

But, i will look him up. He sounds interesting.
 
Okay, so a lot of credibility hinges on the part in the bold because it directly impacts facts about physics. But Dr. Grier sounds interesting so i will definitely look him up.

IF we humans have mastered gravity-based flight AND if we are inside the vehicle AND perform the maneuvers that we see on these videos where our top aircraft can't keep up, then i would say it's a lie.
Because a biological system would be crushed with the equivalent force of being hit by a train, when we see the amount of G forces these devices pull in mid-air with their turns.
So, ANY biological system would die.

But, i will look him up. He sounds interesting.

Ya I know what your saying. But there's something different about what's going on in one of these vehicles that defy our understanding of physics.

Just trust me on this, Grier is the only one I would trust about the information on this. Alot of the people out there "experts" are purposely putting false information and half-truths out there in the public to achieve the intended goal. And I think that goal is to stop the second coming of Christ.
 
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Ya I know what your saying. But there's something different about what's going on in one of these vehicles that defy our understanding of physics.

Just trust me on this, Grier is the only one I would trust about the information on this. Alot of the people out there "experts" are purposely putting false information and half-truths out there in the public to achieve the intended goal. And I think that goal is to stop the second coming of Christ.

There are idiots on both sides. You should recognize this when you look at things with an open mind.
But this weekend hopefully when i have some down time, i will look him up and see what else is available about him on other platforms like Netflix, Amazon etc besides YouTube.
 
Ok, let's go with this for a minute. I haven't looked at the video but i wanted to ask you first since you've spent time knowing him.
I could give you a summary of the things i've spent time of knowing.

Does he believe that us humans (or the military) have used gravity-based aircraft in the past or present? Such as the tic tac videos shown recently? Were those objects manned or un-manned?

Eli we're way past whether this is true or false now. It's just a matter of what are they going to do with it.

Everyone is always so busy , they don't have time to give this much attention. My physical condition has given me the time to look at this in depth, and I have one conclusion. The day of the Lord is very close, and this is somehow going to be part of it.
 
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There are idiots on both sides. You should recognize this when you look at things with an open mind.
But this weekend hopefully when i have some down time, i will look him up and see what else is available about him on other platforms like Netflix, Amazon etc besides YouTube.

Sounds good Eli.

Your the first person I've shared my understanding about this with. I've never heard this perspective anywhere before.

I did what I do to try and get a green light from the Lord, and here we are.
 
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I'm going to start with documentaries first because i find YouTube very distracting and very time consuming.

Documentaries Featuring Dr. Steven Greer
Dr. Steven Greer has produced several documentaries that explore the mysteries of UFOs, alien civilizations, and the CE5 protocols. Here is a list of some of his notable documentaries:
Sirius: A documentary that details Dr. Greer's work and hypotheses regarding extraterrestrial life, government cover-ups, and close encounters of the fifth kind.
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Unacknowledged: A crowdfunded documentary featuring Dr. Greer, which was released in 2017 and became a number one documentary on iTunes and digital platforms.
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Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind: Contact has Begun: Released in 2020, this documentary features Dr. Greer and other experts discussing the CE5 protocols and their potential use for making contact with extraterrestrial civilizations.
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These documentaries are available for rent or purchase on platforms like Amazon Prime Video, Apple TV, and YouTube, and are often found on streaming services like Tubi or Plex. They provide a comprehensive look at the evidence and theories surrounding UFOs and extraterrestrial life.
 
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You guys should look up Vimanas, crazy flying machines of 'gods from the heavens' that just so happened to be present on the earth around 6000 years ago, when certain angels were making babies with women and showing the secrets of heaven to men.
The plans to build them were seemingly preserved, and who knows what kind of research about them some intelligence agencies have been hiding up their sleeves.
 
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I'm going to start with documentaries first because i find YouTube very distracting and very time consuming.

Grier has lots of credentials. Medical Dr., Gave that up to work on the disclosure subject full time. Was offered i think like 2 billion dollars or something crazy like that to stop digging into this. Has over 800 whistle blowers on tape giving testimonies. Has briefed presidents for 30 years. Etc.
 
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I'm going to start with documentaries first because i find YouTube very distracting and very time consuming.


Ya Eli, just thinking out loud.
Your concern about the G forces. I don't think it's a concern in fact I know it's not. The reason why ironed of his whistle blowers was privy to a craft the size of a football field cone in and load up a bunch of people, then took off at the speed of light.

But, if G forces were a concern the manufactured entities would be an easy problem solver for that. They would be high tech silicone robots.
 
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You guys should look up Vimanas, crazy flying machines of 'gods from the heavens' that just so happened to be present on the earth around 6000 years ago, when certain angels were making babies with women and showing the secrets of heaven to men.
The plans to build them were seemingly preserved, and who knows what kind of research about them some intelligence agencies have been hiding up their sleeves.

I just found this on AI.


  • Extreme Maneuverability: Greer claims that reverse-engineered, human-made anti-gravity craft are capable of performing maneuvers that would otherwise "turn a human pilot to soup".
  • Gravity Control Systems: He asserts that advanced gravity control and electromagnetic propulsion systems were mastered by a "rogue" military-industrial group as early as October 1954. These systems allow the craft to operate without conventional propulsion and withstand, or negate, extreme G-forces.
AI seems to have alot of info on what Grier is talking about.
 
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Ya Eli, just thinking out loud.
Your concern about the G forces. I don't think it's a concern in fact I know it's not. The reason why ironed of his whistle blowers was privy to a craft the size of a football field cone in and load up a bunch of people, then took off at the speed of light.

But, if G forces were a concern the manufactured entities would be an easy problem solver for that. They would be high tech silicone robots.

Well, when you’re talking about using gravity to protect mass while using gravity to travel through mass then this is the realm of Star Trek.

And since gravity has always been one of the greatest puzzles for physicists to create a unified theory of Everything for the small (quantum mechanics) and the large (einsten’s theory of relativity) then we are indeed either missing physics or we’re not looking at it right.
But without knowing what gravity is, then we are in the Star Trek realm.

And it’s also why I hold that view about robots observing because robots would be non-biological entities.
 
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Well, when you’re talking about using gravity to protect mass while using gravity to travel through mass then this is the realm of Star Trek.

And since gravity has always been one of the greatest puzzles for physicists to create a unified theory of Everything for the small (quantum mechanics) and the large (einsten’s theory of relativity) then we are indeed either missing physics or we’re not looking at it right.
But without knowing what gravity is, then we are in the Star Trek realm.

And it’s also why I hold that view about robots observing because robots would be non-biological entities.


Dr. Steven Greer considers certain "deep state" military-industrial complex entities to be transnational criminal organizations because he alleges they operate as a shadow government that functions outside of public accountability, Congressional oversight, and national sovereignty. He argues this group is engaged in illegal, high-level, and global activities designed to suppress, control, and profit from extraterrestrial technology and advanced energy systems.
 
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Well, when you’re talking about using gravity to protect mass while using gravity to travel through mass then this is the realm of Star Trek.

And since gravity has always been one of the greatest puzzles for physicists to create a unified theory of Everything for the small (quantum mechanics) and the large (einsten’s theory of relativity) then we are indeed either missing physics or we’re not looking at it right.
But without knowing what gravity is, then we are in the Star Trek realm.

And it’s also why I hold that view about robots observing because robots would be non-biological entities.


The term "black projects" refers to unacknowledged special access programs (SAPs), and the exact total amount of money spent is classified and not publicly detailed. However, publicly released aggregate figures for the intelligence community's "black budget" have been in the range of over $80 billion annually in recent years.
 
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Allow me eli to lay down some bread crumbs so I don't give you everything at once and you just blow me off.

In Job. 1:7, the original Hebrew uses the word "in" the earth. That satan is in the earth. Are you ok with that? We know he's everywhere in his God given restraints. But can you accept that he is "in" the earth, just as it says?

I hear what your saying, but the original is in Hebrew. The KJV is "in the".

Job 1:7 is the only clue I have to support this understanding.

Have you noticed that the same Hebrew phrase is also used in the next verse re: Job? Was Job also inside the earth and that was where he could be found by Satan?

That preposition has a lot of range and the Hebrew language is not English.
 
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Dr. Steven Greer considers certain "deep state" military-industrial complex entities to be transnational criminal organizations because he alleges they operate as a shadow government that functions outside of public accountability, Congressional oversight, and national sovereignty. He argues this group is engaged in illegal, high-level, and global activities designed to suppress, control, and profit from extraterrestrial technology and advanced energy systems.
The term "black projects" refers to unacknowledged special access programs (SAPs), and the exact total amount of money spent is classified and not publicly detailed. However, publicly released aggregate figures for the intelligence community's "black budget" have been in the range of over $80 billion annually in recent years.

This i believe and it's highly likely. It's a common theme that happens around the world. In fact i saw a movie based on a true story called "Backstabbing for beginners" which talks about high level corruption in UN during the Iraq war.
So agencies operating out of the current legal framework in a national or global level is something that's happened and will continue to happen.
 
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This i believe and it's highly likely. It's a common theme that happens around the world. In fact i saw a movie based on a true story called "Backstabbing for beginners" which talks about high level corruption in UN during the Iraq war.
So agencies operating out of the current legal framework in a national or global level is something that's happened and will continue to happen.

I wonder why these deep state, satanic world wide , operators allow Steven Grier to openly tell the world about what their doing.

The answer is the one common thread, the one lie satan is banking on. And that's making humans think these extraterrestrial are coming from another solar system, somewhere out there. That's what's important to satan, that the world can be conditioned to think there's something out their in space. He is having success selling this lie even with the help of steven grier. He will eventually sell this lie as an alien invasion, that will actually be the second coming of the Lord Jesus.

And addressing satan being in the earth.

I can accept satan dwelling inside the earth, but him manufacturing the crafts and the alein beings themselves is admittedly harder to comprehend.

But, there's evidence of that being true. And thats the expansion of a manufacturing of the crafts and alein beings by mankind themselves.

Dr. Grier has not given an exact number of these illegal underground black sites throughout the world. But it's a big number. I still think satan has made the original ET crafts and beings, only to put the temptation of reverse engineering them in human hands, now we are willingly doing his work for him. All for that one purpose, to stop the second coming of Christ.