Dietary laws, do you keep them?
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I do keep the feasts as best as I can. (No physical sacrifices needed today. Jesus became that sacrifice.)
Our church spends 8 days camping at our church property in tents, campers, RV's etc. The instruction regarding Tabernacles refers to temporary dwellings. My wife and I spent 1 year in a tent on our back patio. But the legalistic interpretation and application of how to celebrate those feasts isn't the important thing.
Our church spends 8 days camping at our church property in tents, campers, RV's etc. The instruction regarding Tabernacles refers to temporary dwellings. My wife and I spent 1 year in a tent on our back patio. But the legalistic interpretation and application of how to celebrate those feasts isn't the important thing.
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No physical sacrifice by the high priest once a year for the sin of the people.
Your correct, Jesus offers eternal forgiveness of sin through His perfect sacrifice (Genesis 22).
Yet, the offerings are still valid under the law. How many lambs do you offer
up to the Lord? Remember to build the altar first without tools (Exodus 20).
Numbers 28:9
Then on the Sabbath day two male lambs one year old without defect, and two-tenths
of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil as a grain offering, and its drink offering.
Try and get it right.
1) Grain offering
2) Drink offering
3) Two lambs without defect
That's every Sabbath day.
Your correct, Jesus offers eternal forgiveness of sin through His perfect sacrifice (Genesis 22).
Yet, the offerings are still valid under the law. How many lambs do you offer
up to the Lord? Remember to build the altar first without tools (Exodus 20).
Numbers 28:9
Then on the Sabbath day two male lambs one year old without defect, and two-tenths
of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil as a grain offering, and its drink offering.
Try and get it right.
1) Grain offering
2) Drink offering
3) Two lambs without defect
That's every Sabbath day.
You can continue to observe the ordinances, but I see verses telling us that they were a type.... a shadow, and when Jesus died they came to an end.
But that is not the same for the moral laws. The law of liberty, the royal law.
Luk 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
This distinguishes between "all the commandments and ordinances".
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Notice which law was abolished. The law Contained in ordinances.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
What was nailed to the cross? The handwriting of ordinances.
Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
And after describing the temple and things in the temple....
Heb 9:8-11
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
We are told that the law should not be made void, and Jesus said... Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
God said the law shall not pass or change.
But we are told the ordinances are finished at the cross.
2 different laws.
But that is not the same for the moral laws. The law of liberty, the royal law.
Luk 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
This distinguishes between "all the commandments and ordinances".
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Notice which law was abolished. The law Contained in ordinances.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
What was nailed to the cross? The handwriting of ordinances.
Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
And after describing the temple and things in the temple....
Heb 9:8-11
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
We are told that the law should not be made void, and Jesus said... Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
God said the law shall not pass or change.
But we are told the ordinances are finished at the cross.
2 different laws.
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These could be 2 verses.
Compare them with the 10 commandments which are no longer commandments but have been reduced to suggestions.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
King James Version
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Read full chapter
Revelation 21:8
King James Version
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
I'm not sure though. I'm just a fool in his folly.
Compare them with the 10 commandments which are no longer commandments but have been reduced to suggestions.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
King James Version
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Read full chapter
Revelation 21:8
King James Version
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
I'm not sure though. I'm just a fool in his folly.
Yet our Messiah says otherwise.
Matthew 5:17-19
17“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18“For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19“Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Matthew 5:17-19
17“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18“For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19“Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
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he said exactly the same thing infact. you dont keep the law stop deceiving yourself friend. no one keeps the law. its done away with, we are in the law of Christ now. no more animal sacrifices, no more levitical purity laws.
in st.matthew's gospel Jesus is talking about the commandments He has just given, if you annull one of these then you will be considered the least. as for not one stroke or letter passing away, it clearly has, animal sacrifices were a commandment, even Jesus told people to give a sacrifice cause He lived under the law, now we dont have to do that anymore. you know why? cause "all is accomplished" now. Jesus said on the cross it is finished,, He finished the job.
Ephesians 2:14-15 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,
in st.matthew's gospel Jesus is talking about the commandments He has just given, if you annull one of these then you will be considered the least. as for not one stroke or letter passing away, it clearly has, animal sacrifices were a commandment, even Jesus told people to give a sacrifice cause He lived under the law, now we dont have to do that anymore. you know why? cause "all is accomplished" now. Jesus said on the cross it is finished,, He finished the job.
Ephesians 2:14-15 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,
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But the place we are disagreeing is which laws are which.
I totally agree that the shadow laws came to an end at the cross. It is finished.....
But most people don't agree with me when I define what the moral laws are and what the laws contained in ordinances are.
Jesus kept all both cerimonial and moral laws. He was a Jew and He followed the laws for His time.
But the offerings and ceremonies, ordinances, that delt with sin were finished when Jesus became the solution.
Heb 8:1-7
1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. 4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. 6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Notice that the Earthly sanctuary and the things in it are a shadow of the heavenly..
Col 2:14-17
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Notice that the ordinances are a shadow.
Before Jesus had come we were under a schoolmaster....
Gal 3:23-25
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Some people throw all the laws away and claim that all the old testament laws are nailed to the cross.
This is where I differ... the shadow laws, laws contained in ordinances and laws that were a school master have been replaced by the life and death of Jesus.
Jesus is my high priest and His blood covers my sin.
But the moral laws are repeated in the new Testament and they have not changed.
Ask an educated Israelite if there is a difference between the cerimonial laws and the dietary laws and the moral laws.
I totally agree that the shadow laws came to an end at the cross. It is finished.....
But most people don't agree with me when I define what the moral laws are and what the laws contained in ordinances are.
Jesus kept all both cerimonial and moral laws. He was a Jew and He followed the laws for His time.
But the offerings and ceremonies, ordinances, that delt with sin were finished when Jesus became the solution.
Heb 8:1-7
1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. 4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. 6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Notice that the Earthly sanctuary and the things in it are a shadow of the heavenly..
Col 2:14-17
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Notice that the ordinances are a shadow.
Before Jesus had come we were under a schoolmaster....
Gal 3:23-25
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Some people throw all the laws away and claim that all the old testament laws are nailed to the cross.
This is where I differ... the shadow laws, laws contained in ordinances and laws that were a school master have been replaced by the life and death of Jesus.
Jesus is my high priest and His blood covers my sin.
But the moral laws are repeated in the new Testament and they have not changed.
Ask an educated Israelite if there is a difference between the cerimonial laws and the dietary laws and the moral laws.
Okay if every statute and command is encompassed in the term law......
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Does this mean we establish every law?
If every ordinance, statute and command is included in the law .....
Mat 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Does this mean every law will not pass till all be fulfilled.???
Jas 2:10-12
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
If the law enpomosess every statue, ordinance and command then we need to make sure we know all 600 plus laws. And obey them all.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Does this mean we establish every law?
If every ordinance, statute and command is included in the law .....
Mat 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Does this mean every law will not pass till all be fulfilled.???
Jas 2:10-12
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
If the law enpomosess every statue, ordinance and command then we need to make sure we know all 600 plus laws. And obey them all.
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