Dietary laws, do you keep them?

[Genez]

I say a prayer before every Twinkie I eat.

Its the Word you are denying.

You? Its a Twinkie?
For kids... not adults.

Adam's body was created from the elements of the earth.
We need to replenish those elements in ours with what we eat.

I saw it when attending a Bible college.
One of the medical staff stated how he saw so many sore throats and sickness in the well meaning student body.
He also taught a health class, where I heard him tell us about that factor.

Now, if you took the day and age of the one you chose for an avatar?
(who is that?)
And, eat what they ate in his day?
They just ate food. As God created it to be food.

Just the same.....

Keep eating Twinkies, if you wish.
For you are what you eat.

grace and peace ..........

 

[NightTwister]

Its the Word you are denying.

You? Its a Twinkie?
For kids... not adults.

Adam's body was created from the elements of the earth.
We need to replenish those elements in ours with what we eat.

I saw it when attending a Bible college.
One of the medical staff stated how he saw so many sore throats and sickness in the well meaning student body.
He also taught a health class, where I heard him tell us about that factor.

Now, if you took the day and age of the one you chose for an avatar?
(who is that?)
And, eat what they ate in his day?
They just ate food. As God created it to be food.

Just the same.....

Keep eating Twinkies, if you wish.
For you are what you eat.

grace and peace ..........

Don't yuck my yum. I don't tell you what to eat.

 

[Webers.Home]

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Man started out as a fruitarian.

● Gen 2:8-16 . . Jehovah God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there
he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground made Jehovah
God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food.
Jehovah God commanded the man, saying: Of every tree of the garden thou
mayest freely eat

In time; Man became a vegetarian.

● Gen 3:18 . .You shall eat the plants of the field

And finally he became omnivorous.

● Gen 9:3-4 . . Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as
I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. But you must not
eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.

This law pertaining to fresh-kill meat is the very first law laid down in the new
world after the Flood. It has never been repealed, and remains embedded
among the list of primary laws imposed upon Christians.

"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything
beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed
to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual
immorality." (Acts 15:28-29)

A strangled animal's heart may've stopped beating, and its brain no longer
functioning, but the meat of these animals will remain active for some time
by reason of the fresh-kill blood in their veins.

The prohibition against eating viable flesh and blood is neither Jewish, nor is
it Christian-- it's universal; because God enacted that law long before there
were any Jews or Christians.
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[Genez]

Don't yuck my yum. I don't tell you what to eat.

Telling you what is good/ healthy to eat is not telling you what to eat.
Telling you what is not as God created it to be, and is unhealthy to eat, is your choice.



Maybe you would resent it if I told not to drink the water that was found to be ameba infested?

 

[Inquisitor]

Take a look at the most recent one, Covid, came from bats in some wet markets in China.

I thought that the investigation into the origin of Covid 19 still is not conclusive.

Although definitive spread of coronaviruses from bats to humans has not been fully identified,
direct contact with intermediate hosts to humans is widely considered the most likely mode of
spread (Hart et al., 2022; Kirtipal et al., 2020; Z. Zhu, Meng, & Meng, 2020).

Let's say it was a bat.

That does not mean that the actual bat flesh was the source. Rather, Wuhan has a market where
an actual bat bite may have been the source.

 

[tedincarolina]

Do you guys keep the dietary laws of Leviticus 11? I believe it is smart to do so, not because we are REQUIRED to, but because God as the creator knows what is most profitable for us to eat when it comes to meats. The kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, I know. All im asking you guys is: Do you personally keep the dietary laws? Do you think it is beneficial?`I sure do. Lots of bad things have happened in history including many pandemics due to eating unclean meats.

Hey @Hakawaka

You're free to do as you wish and I would agree that a plant based diet may be, overall, better for us. But no, we are not required to. God gave Noah permission to eat of every creature that moves about the earth. He even tells Noah, "Just as I have given you every green plant for food, I now give you every creature that moves upon the earth." Then we have Jesus clearly telling us that nothing that goes into a man's mouth and to his stomach defiles him. Then we have Peter's testimony that God rebuked him for calling anything that God had made as unclean.

Honestly, it has always been my understanding that much of the law, apart from the 10 commandment law, was specifically for Israel. One of the reasons that He would do that is to keep them separate from the Gentile nations. Even today, a devout Jew will have difficulty eating with Gentiles because of those dietary restrictions that they believe they are still under.

Can you reference one of the pandemics that was due to eating unclean meats?

 

[Dino246]

I would agree that a plant based diet may be, overall, better for us.

I encourage you to do some more research on the subject. It is impossible to get all the nutrients you need from plants only— particularly vitamin B12–and many nutrients are much more difficult to obtain from plant sources than from animal products.

Consider that after the fall and the flood, the natural order was corrupted, which is likely why we need to consume animal products now.

 

[Webers.Home]

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Whereas diet is a clear-cut black and white issue for folks whose religion is
based upon the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God per
Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy; it is a gray area for folks
whose religion is based upon unity with Christ.

● Rom 14:2 . . One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another
man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats
everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does
not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has
accepted him.

In point of fact, diet is an area where the individual is permitted to make
their own rules for their own use.

● Rom 14:5 . . Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
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[Genez]

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Whereas diet is a clear-cut black and white issue for folks whose religion is
based upon the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God per
Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy; it is a gray area for folks
whose religion is based upon unity with Christ.

We should know what we are dealing with in order to decide.

Peter was a devout Jew who always kept kosher.
Here is what the Lord did to open Peter's eyes to the new life in Christ.

Acts 10:11-15


He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.
It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. Then a voice told him,
“Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

“Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”



If someone wants to still keep the Law? That's their business.
Yet, if someone else wants to clarify what the Word actually teaches?
That is everyone's business.

grace and peace ................

 

[tedincarolina]

I encourage you to do some more research on the subject. It is impossible to get all the nutrients you need from plants only— particularly vitamin B12–and many nutrients are much more difficult to obtain from plant sources than from animal products.

Consider that after the fall and the flood, the natural order was corrupted, which is likely why we need to consume animal products now.

Hi @Dino246

Oh, I don't have to do the research. I'm pretty confident that Adam and Eve were given a plant based diet. But I know that I'm not living in the paradise in which they lived for a time. I know that I am free to eat anything I like, as far as food from the earth, whether plant or animal. But the first words we have, where God speaks of eating meat, was when he commanded Noah to take clean animals onto the ark. Something tells me that if B-12 were needed for the proper operation of the body, then Adam and Eve, and their immediate generations got it from some plant based or natural source. But I'm not beholden in the Scriptures to subsist on a plant based diet. Not even the Israelites are strictly beholden to a plant based diet. They were just given selective meats that they could eat and a particular way of preparing such food, especially during the High Holy Days.

But I'm not Jewish and so I'm not beholden to that law. I'm beholden to the law that Jesus expressed to us. Loving God with all of my heart, soul and strength. And loving others as ourself. Although, me personally, I struggle with both of those from time to time. There really was a reason that Jesus said that he was giving us a new command, although it was like, in some ways, the other, it was new and both his words and his practices and the words and practices of the first apostles seem to clearly teach that we can eat whatever we like for food from the earth. We know that Jesus ate fish. That at two points of his ministry he even created the fish right there on the spot for the multitudes to eat. We know that Jesus ate the Passover meal which would have had lamb or goat.

That's my position on the matter of whether or not we are expected to keep the dietary laws of the old covenant.

 

[rstrats]

[QUOTE="Pilgrimshope,
“Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day..."

‬‬[/QUOTE]


Judge with respect to "what" with regard to those things?

 

[rstrats]

[QUOTE="Genez, post: 5338860, member: 262512"

Peter was a devout Jew who always kept kosher.

Here is what the Lord did to open Peter's eyes to the new life in Christ.

Acts 10:11-15


[/QUOTE]


Any thoughts on why Peter, who had been with the Messiah for 3 years and after some plus 10 years later, didn't know about it?

 

[tedincarolina]

Any thoughts on why Peter, who had been with the Messiah for 3 years and after some plus 10 years later, didn't know about it?

Hi @rstrats

I'd say it just goes to show how hard breaking long held religious convictions can be. Likely why God chose Peter to be the one to whom He revealed this truth about food to. Wasn't it Peter who was also trying to encourage the new believers to be circumcised?

 

[studier]

Do you guys keep the dietary laws of Leviticus 11? I believe it is smart to do so, not because we are REQUIRED to, but because God as the creator knows what is most profitable for us to eat when it comes to meats. The kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, I know. All im asking you guys is: Do you personally keep the dietary laws? Do you think it is beneficial?`I sure do. Lots of bad things have happened in history including many pandemics due to eating unclean meats.

All inspired Scripture is beneficial. I learn from the dietary laws. In our time, for me it mostly boils down to eating things that are as close to natural as is possible these days. And this takes a lot more work and label reading than most understand or are willing to learn and do. No additives, man inserted chemistry, added sugars or sweeteners, etc. As for meats, over time I've simply gravitated to the clean ones and have no desires for any extremes. Clean and simple and as much as possible, known sources.

 

[Genez]

Hi @rstrats

I'd say it just goes to show how hard breaking long held religious convictions can be. Likely why God chose Peter to be the one to whom He revealed this truth about food to. Wasn't it Peter who was also trying to encourage the new believers to be circumcised?

Look at how so many still pray to Mary....

Show them all the chapter and verses you wish.

Its all about how seriously we take the Word and are able to be made willing to to CONCENTRATE.

 

[Webers.Home]

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● Rom 14:14 . . As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no
food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then
for him it is unclean.

That is an interesting rule. In other words: it's okay for folks unified with
Christ to eat bats, rattlesnakes, GMO sweet corn, and pickled pigs feet. But
it's not okay for them to eat those things when they honestly believe it's a
sin to do so.
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[Prodigal]

Mental pandemics come from believing fake news.

Mental pandemics come from believing fake news.

And trusting fake Jews.

 

[rstrats]

[QUOTE="tedincarolina, Wasn't it Peter who was also trying to encourage the new believers to be circumcised?[/QUOTE]

Not that I'm aware. What do you have in mind?

 

[rstrats]

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● Rom 14:14 . . As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no
food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then
for him it is unclean.

The operative word here, is "food". I'm not aware of where unclean animals were ever referred to as food.

 

[rstrats]

[QUOTE="Genez,

Here is what the Lord did to open Peter's eyes to the new life in Christ.

Acts 10:11-15


[/QUOTE]

Apparently He didn't, at least with regard to diet, since Peter didn't know what the vision was about until he was informed by the Spirit that three men were seeking him and that he should go with them after which he said that he been shown that he shouldn't call any man common or unclean. He never said in any scripture that he had also been shown that unclean animals were now ok to be eaten. I mean that would have significantly increased their food supply.