Did mind–body dualism exist before original sin?
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This entire reality is a road to hell, the only way out of it through the Grace of God. We put ourselves here, it is our fault. Unbelievers don't believe in anything. If they look at wave-particle duality they will know something more is going on. It is only after this step can you explain why and how Jesus will get us out of this.
The human person has always been a composite of matter and spirit. Before sin and death the human body was obedient to the will.
Before sin and death there were no involuntary movements of the body. Movements that are unconscious and involuntary now were accessible to consciousness and permitted by the will.
Death imposed it's own law on human flesh. Reproduction is a command from God but is also a demand of the law of survival our flesh obeys via involuntary urges almost impossible to disobey.
The human body once distinguished from the other animals because it didn't die has lost that visible sign because now it does. The involuntary movements of the body informed Adam and Eve of their fallen state and for the first time shame was experienced. They covered their bodies and hid from God. God covered their shame with animal skin. Appropriate to say the least.
Before sin and death there were no involuntary movements of the body. Movements that are unconscious and involuntary now were accessible to consciousness and permitted by the will.
Death imposed it's own law on human flesh. Reproduction is a command from God but is also a demand of the law of survival our flesh obeys via involuntary urges almost impossible to disobey.
The human body once distinguished from the other animals because it didn't die has lost that visible sign because now it does. The involuntary movements of the body informed Adam and Eve of their fallen state and for the first time shame was experienced. They covered their bodies and hid from God. God covered their shame with animal skin. Appropriate to say the least.
You are not trying to show people Jesus though.
You are wanting to prove some vain philosophy will wake millions of people
to the truth of the gospel, which is about as counter-Biblical as you can get.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
That obviously means nothing to you.
Not Biblical at all.
It still is
A&E sinned because they were worldly.For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes,
and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world. 1 John 2:16
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food [lust of the flesh],
and that it was pleasant to the eyes [lust of the eyes], and a tree to be desired
to make one wise [the pride of life], she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat,
and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. Genesis 3:6
Man was made with the potential for life ever after, but was not immortal to begin with, being that Adam and Eve's bodies were of the natural world and would have required being born again of the Spirit, same as we all do to this very day to escape the second death and attain to life ever after by being reconciled to God by grace through faith. Immortality is put on with the indwelling of the incorruptible Holy Spirit of God. For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 1 Corinthians 15:53
Since Adam and Eve did not eat from the Tree of Life, they had not put on immortality.
Quantum tunneling isn't about 'swapping between probability space and reality'
There's no physical law preventing an entire body with all its zillions of atoms from suddenly translating a thousand miles. It's just incredibly unlikely. Tunneling isn't the only possibility, not even the only physical possibility, but if that's what happened here it's demonstrating that He is God, seeing and knowing and able to control all of His own creation.
I guess I need to post this again:
This entire reality is a road to hell, the only way out of it is through the Grace of God. We put ourselves here, it is our fault. Unbelievers don't believe in anything. If they look at wave-particle duality they will know something more is going on. It is only after this step can you explain why and how Jesus will get us out of this.
This entire reality is a road to hell, the only way out of it is through the Grace of God. We put ourselves here, it is our fault. Unbelievers don't believe in anything. If they look at wave-particle duality they will know something more is going on. It is only after this step can you explain why and how Jesus will get us out of this.
still gibberish Im afraid, and veering on unbiblical.
The bible deals with physical reality and does not claim its all an illusion like maya or buddhist philosphy. Do not get them mixed up.
Jesus doesnt get us 'out' of anything he brings heaven TO us. We in the natural dont know anything until we are spiritually transformed, and become supernatural. Its a divine act of grace.
You dont necessarily need to know anything about wave particle duality to understand this.
The bible deals with physical reality and does not claim its all an illusion like maya or buddhist philosphy. Do not get them mixed up.
Jesus doesnt get us 'out' of anything he brings heaven TO us. We in the natural dont know anything until we are spiritually transformed, and become supernatural. Its a divine act of grace.
You dont necessarily need to know anything about wave particle duality to understand this.
Then why are you trying to sell them on what you are pedaling?
When according to you, they won't believe in it any ways.
Plus, you keep overlooking:
Faith comes by hearing, and hearing from the Word of God.
So they "listen to science" but don't believe in it... according to you.
You are caught in another contradiction of your vain philosophies.
bottom line =
Jesus Christ's saints will stand and obey...
oh yes, the last days step through time's door...
Jesus Christ's saints will stand and obey...
oh yes, the last days step through time's door...
i agree that this is a way that creation itself testifies of what may be known about God.
i don't agree with the particular conclusion you draw from it, tho.
i have, and i have found that what you say here is not true.
the town i grew up in was full of witches. how do you witness to a wiccan?
i can tell you, lol, not with thermodynamics or statistical analysis, you don't.
That is compelling.
Does that mean the text in Gen 2 could be translated .....and man became a living creature.? Or could have omitted the word 'living' and not lost meaning?
What is worldly to the first and only man and woman on earth?It still is
2 Corinthians 4:18
"For the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal"
via Uriel Anderson
"For the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal"
via Uriel Anderson
For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened,
not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed,
that mortality may be swallowed up by life.
(2 Corinthians 5:4)