Did mind–body dualism exist before original sin?
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Woe, I would never deny His resurrection. Without His resurrection I have no hope of resurrection myself, I’d be dead forever. Jesus appeared in many forms in the old testament. He appeared as the Angel of the Lord Who wrestled with Jacob. He appeared to Moses in a burning bush. He appeared to Elijah as a quiet gentle sound in front of the cave. He appeared as a cloud during the day, and a pillar of fire at night to guide the Israelites in the desert after they left Egypt. He came to Abraham and Sarah in the form of a human body to tell them they would have a child. Many forms, including human.
I don't think it's necessary to assume but easy to believe with certainty that he did.
John 20
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Scripture does not say he actually did. It is assumption you make. Why won't you admit these things?
You are making a far reaching assumption to claim Thomas didn't do exactly what Jesus said to do. How do you think Thomas responded to Jesus' request? Deer in the headlights?
Not. Lazarus was raised from the dead as were many others.
Your claim has them living ever after. Nothing in Scripture supports this.
You act like you have never heard the saying, "Seeing is believing."
It is just as likely that Thomas, upon seeing Jesus' wounds, fell down and made his proclamation.
In fact, Thomas' actions were immediately followed by Jesus saying:
"Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
Jesus did not say, because you stuck your fingers in my wounds, you now believe.
Your assumption is just that. But you repeatedly refuse to acknowledge your errors and assumptions.
To what end? You can't see it now, and you reject what I say, even
though it is Biblically sound, while you cling to your weird ideas.
“Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.” The bible says on judgment day we will be judged according to what we did while we were in bodies on the earth.
we are a soul . We have a spirit , which lives in our body like a temporary rental home for our spirit which is the life. A living soul is when a living spirit unites with a body that exists in this physical realm.
man has always been two parts it’s evident from the creation
“And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
Genesis 2:7
I think your asking about this part
“And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”
Genesis 6:3 KJV
if I understand your asking was man spirit and flesh before sin ?
flesh is created of material , but a body has no animation no life just like the dust . Mankind is a spirit which came from God , places inside the vehicle of the body. Those two elements make a living soul.
man “ became “ a living soul when Gods spirit of life was placed into the created body. The duality of our nature came from the consumption of the knowledge of good and evil. That’s what creates the war of spirit and flesh the knowledge of good and evil.
in the beginning when God made mankind , first he seperated the dark from the light , the light he called good . This shows us that there was good and evil in the beginning before mankind was created but God seperated good and evil and then he made man in his image
This image was of the light , all that was good , already being seperate from evil . The reason God forbid the knowledge of good and evil is because he had already created man good having seperate good and evil beforehand and then commanded them not to partake of the good and evil knowledge .
when they partook thier eyes were opened to the option of doing evil as well as good which was not Gods will that man struggle between good and evil it was satans plan that they become conflicted between good and evil.
the duel nature of man began as soon as they are the fruit , defiling the warning God gave them for their protection and following a lie meant to cause them to be at war within thier own self between serving good or evil.
man is not designed by God to have a conflicted nature as we do now , that’s the very reason he forbid the fruit mans designed to have a nature like Jesus , we’re designed to be reflections of Gods morality and thoughts. God doesn’t strugggle with temptation , we do , because of the duality of good and evil inside of one “ kingdom “ the heart of mankind
notice as your talking about duality the New Testament doctrine is about dying to the flesh and living to the spirit. Putting to death the evil and living by the good
Are you asking were we quantum waves before we had a body and soul,IDK?
We do know that GOD spoke everything Into existence and men came through Adams seed.
What do you think of the idea that Adam and Eve knew what Good was before eating from the tree because they were living in it?
We are quantum waves right now, but this fallen reality causes the waves to be decoherent. This place isn't compatible with God's Kingdom.
No, OP is stating that there was no physicality before Adam sinned
Physicality/flesh was the outcome of sin, according to him.