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Did Jesus drink alcohol?
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Every single action of Jesus was scripted....
There was nothing He did that wasn't.
There are over 12,000 prophesy and allusions in the Old Testament covering his every action and maneuvers and people interaction.
Of course he didn't just blindly grab anything on his way....duh!
Where is your head?
J
joecoten
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Apparently your not familiar with the account of Jesus' last Passover meal, a.k.a., the last supper. He shared bot wine and bread (and lamb) with those in attendance. In fact, Jesus said to drink wine to remember Him.
I am one of the "hard core" Christian Zealots....I'm just not legalistic in any sense of the term.You really know how to make me smile, dear brother.
I have written Doctoral quality thesis on subjects using those who did get their PhD in studies and know several personally who are still involved with modern scripture research. (They are the odd ones)
Me?
I just like to be a "player"....who takes lousy notes and bibliography.
My wife finds it extremely frustrating because she holds her masters degree and at times can't keep up or thinks I'm mistaken (which I believe is always possible) but finds out that I'm usually right. She lives for those days....like when I keep blowing the family tree between Caleb and Othoniel, the first Jusge in Israel.
Meh? I ain't perfect and don't believe such things are possible. But I have studied more than most in a manner that most will never go. There's always more to learn if you want to see how deep that rabbit hole goes.
Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
John the Baptist could not drink wine or strong drink and he was preparing the way for Christ so of course Jesus would of not drank wine that was fermented.
Luke 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
Some people say this means Jesus drank wine but they only accused Him of it and Jesus was not a glutton.
Sorry but I disagree. Because John the baptizer didn't drink any fermented wine has no bearing on whether Jesus drank fermented wine or not. Jesus ate and drank normally. There is no indication that He was an ascetic. Most probably He drank wine; he clearly encouraged others to do so.
Matthew 11:19, "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look at him, a glutton and a drunk, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ " He wouldn't be accused of being a drunk if He didn't drink fermented wine.
"Everthing Jesus did was scripted"?!! If that were true, the Bible would be much larger book.
Somewhere, it even says that if everything Jesus did was recorded, there wouldn't be enough room - or something like that.
Jesus made somewhere between 120-150 gallons of wine that day. And not just any ole wine, but delicious tasting wine.
John the Baptist was called by Jesus "the greatest to have lived, to date, under the law" (paraphrasing). But Jesus didn't live under the law.
They couldn't have called Jesus a winebibber, if he didn't actually drink, because the crowds actually loved him, and they would have been immediately called out for the lie. As I read it, the Pharisees routinely had to tread lightly for fear of getting the nation of Israel angry about Jesus. They called him these things, as far as I can tell, because he actually did things that would allow them to use these accusations. Jesus himself says he came eating and drinking, he didn't deny that he was taking wine, though he could, and likely would, have claimed his nazarite vow or position.
He certainly had no problems telling the Pharisees he was the Son of God, despite them not liking it. He told the Pharisees who tried to scare Jesus he was going to keep healing. His only recorded reply to the accusations of him drinking, were "wisdom is justified by her children."
I'm pretty sure if he was worried wine was a sin, he wouldn't have made it as his first recorded miracle.
Well, you know what they say. Happy wine happy life. Or something like that.Jesus made somewhere between 120-150 gallons of wine that day. And not just any ole wine, but delicious tasting wine.
I have, dozens of times all the way through. I was simply stating the point that no one has submitted scripture stating Jesus drank wine.
I'm very familiar with the passages. Why would you say this? All I was stating is that no one in this entire thread has posted any scripture stating the facts. That's all. I wasn't saying he did or didn't.
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joecoten
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I thought it would be obvious that He drank wine, not that it's an issue. I also assume He took bathroom breaks. But if you want to split hairs, go ahead. No wonder why there are 45,000 denominations.
Mark 14:22-24, "While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after giving thanks he broke it, gave it to his disciples, and said, “Take, eat, this is my body.” And after taking the cup and giving thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood, the blood of the covenant, that is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
It is incomprehensible to think that Jesus would be asking His disciples to drink grape juice to symbolically represent His blood. Wine has been part of the seder meal for thousands of years, as has been unleavened bread (matzoh). Wine, not grape juice.
Paul wrote to the church in Corinth, "Is not the cup of blessing that we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread that we break a sharing in the body of Christ?" and "For this reason, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord." 1 Corinthians 10:16 and 11:27
It is incomprehensible to think that Jesus would be asking His disciples to drink grape juice to symbolically represent His blood. Wine has been part of the seder meal for thousands of years, as has been unleavened bread (matzoh). Wine, not grape juice.
Paul wrote to the church in Corinth, "Is not the cup of blessing that we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread that we break a sharing in the body of Christ?" and "For this reason, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord." 1 Corinthians 10:16 and 11:27