Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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tylerbones1313 said:
I mean Faith necessary for Salvation. In the Scripture you quoted "judgement, mercy, faith" are not works of the Law but rather moral righteousness.
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Faith in Matt 23 is a duty of the Law Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
 
brightfame52 said:
I know that, but what Faith ? Is it mans faith a duty under the law Matt 23 or the Faith which is the fruit of the Spirit, regeneration.
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The true definition of the word "Faith" no matter how its used:

Hebrews 11:1: "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

  • "Now faith is...": This establishes faith as the central theme of the chapter, and the verse proceeds to define its nature.
  • "the substance of things hoped for": This phrase describes faith as the foundation or reality of things we hope for, even though they are not yet seen. It emphasizes that faith gives substance to our hopes, making them real and tangible despite their intangible nature.
  • "the evidence of things not seen": This phrase describes faith as the proof or conviction of things we cannot see with our physical eyes. It emphasizes that faith allows us to be certain of things that are beyond our physical senses, based on trust and belief.
  • Faith: This is the core concept, representing trust and belief in something beyond physical evidence.
  • Substance: This doesn't refer to physical matter but rather a firm foundation, a guarantee, or a reality that underlies things hoped for.
  • Things hoped for: These are desires, expectations, or promises not yet fulfilled but believed in with certainty.
  • Evidence: This doesn't indicate physical proof, but rather a deep conviction or assurance despite the lack of tangible evidence.
  • Things not seen: These are realities, truths, or blessings that are currently unseen but believed in through faith

So you see the word "faith" no matter where its used never indicates work. We didn't work to bring about a result according to this Scripture "Faith" brought it into existence.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
You were his seed child at one time

So I guess God did not die for you.

If thats what you believe, then so be it.
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If Im one of Gods elect, sheep, or member of His Body the Church, I was never a seed of the devil, nobody Christ died for is of the seed of satan, a goat, a tare. Sorry cant be of Christ seed and the devils seed at the same time, one or the other.
 
Everlasting-Grace said:
I never said otherwise.

You are selectively reading, then disagreeing based on what you perceive I said and not what I actually said..
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You implied it. You said Christ loved and died for this world Jn 17:9

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
 
brightfame52 said:
You implied it. You said Christ loved and died for this world Jn 17:9

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
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The word "world" in this Scripture doesn't refer to the people in it just its systems of laws and rules. Those who are truly saved are not of this world just in this world.
 
brightfame52 said:
If Im one of Gods elect, sheep, or member of His Body the Church, I was never a seed of the devil, nobody Christ died for is of the seed of satan, a goat, a tare. Sorry cant be of Christ seed and the devils seed at the same time, one or the other.
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You were non of these things until you chose to recieve him.

but as many as have recieved him TO THEM he3 gave the power to become children off God.

You must recieve him first.
 
brightfame52 said:
You implied it. You said Christ loved and died for this world Jn 17:9

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
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Yes,, I already explained what I meant,

and by your response you proved you did not understand what I said.

try again.
 
[QUOTE="tylerbones1313, post: 5250014, member: 315680"]The word "world" in this Scripture doesn't refer to the people in it just its systems of laws and rules. Those who are truly saved are not of this world just in this world.[/QUOTE]
I disagree, it applies to people, just not loved by Christ, the goats and tares
 
tylerbones1313 said:
The word "world" in this Scripture doesn't refer to the people in it just its systems of laws and rules.
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brightfame52 said:
[QUOTE="tylerbones1313, post: 5250014, member: 315680"]The word "world" in this Scripture doesn't refer to the people in it just its systems of laws and rules. Those who are truly saved are not of this world just in this world.
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I disagree, it applies to people, just not loved by Christ, the goats and tares[/QUOTE]

Which are both loved by God, condemned or righteous, doesn't matter.
 
brightfame52 said:
And I rejected what you explained as false in favor of what I explained
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Thats great

However, You claimed I said this, (which I did not) so you rejected based on false pretense.

But you make a habit of this. And are unable to see it.. so again, I do not know why i bother
 
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