Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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MerSee said:
There is no scripture in the Holy Bible which shows Christ shed His blood for the nonelect.
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You are completely mistaken, but if that is the NONSENSE you wish to believe, just keep on believing it. It shows that you have no clue about this important matter.
 
TheDivineWatermark said:
First, one should understand why such a statement ^ would be written in Romans 9 (the Jewish/Israel mindset was "Only us, and no one else!"--Paul is making a point here in this overall context [chpts 9-11]--Read this quote now with that "mindset" [of theirs] in view, and it will help clarify why this is being said... and why the closing of that entire section says what it says [relatedly... re: "mercy"].)


Secondly, consider a couple of quotes I put in an old post, to better ascertain said "context" (which article touches on that issue ^ also):

Post #15 - https://christianchat.com/threads/e...d-once-saved-always-saved.194033/post-4340389
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Agreed. We also have for example the conversation between Jonah and God. With Jonah not so happy God spared Nineveh. Which God replied in the same manner you are pointing out, to Jonah. Jonah 4........10Then said the LORD, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night: 11And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?
 
Nehemiah6 said:
You are completely mistaken, but if that is the NONSENSE you wish to believe, just keep on believing it. It shows that you have no clue about this important matter.
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It's good that I went ahead and had lunch.
I thought there was a genuine question there for a minute.
 
brightfame52 said:
Christ died only for the elect, He loved only the elect friend and btw 1 Pet 3:18 applies only to the elect See Chapter 1 vs 1-2
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and you wonder why the actual POWER of the gospel of Christ is hard to be found anymore

I don't mean you are wondering anything. your closet is locked
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
No No No

If he does not love everyone, He is not a loving God.

No one meets Gods standard, So He must love them all or non of them, And he would not be a just God either.
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God does not love everyone.

[Rom 9:11, 13, 15-16 KJV]
11 (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth...
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. ...
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
It does not say the elect.

It says he died for the world so that WHOEVER BELIEVES will be born again.

You fatalism does not work
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Right, but only the elect will/can truly believe. Those who truly believe, believe, solely because they have been imputed the faith of Christ, from/by which do they truly believe. The faith of Christ is not imputed to everyone but only to the elect.

[Gal 2:16 KJV] 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 
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MerSee said:
The nonelect don't believe Jesus.

Nowhere is it written in John 3:16 that Jesus shed His blood for the nonelect.
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That is an absolutely false statement. The entire world is non-elect. Which is why Christ died for the world. You are in direct opposition to scripture and if this is your stance, as you seem to indicate that it is, you are spouting false doctrine.

You do not seem to have an understanding of salvation.

You state you have an administrative role in church. Which church is that exactly?
 
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Niki7 said:
That is an absolutely false statement. The entire world is non-elect. Which is why Christ died for the world. You are in direct opposition to scripture and if this is your stance, as you seem to indicate that it is, you are spouting false doctrine.

You do not seem to have an understanding of salvation.

You state you have an administrative role in church. Which church is that exactly?
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Nowhere in scripture is it written that Jesus shed His blood for the nonelect.
 
rogerg said:
The "whosoever" of John 3:16, will end up being they whom God had elected to salvation and they alone.
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Nonsense. An unregenerate human does not have the Holy Spirit inside of them to force them to be saved. That is not in scripture anywhere and is a false doctrine.

A person is only indwelt by the Holy Spirit when they accept Christ. You are following false teaching.
 
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MerSee said:
Nowhere in scripture is it written that Jesus shed His blood for the nonelect.
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Deception is not salvation. Anyone who cannot see and understand that Christ died for all is deceived. stay that way by all means but you will be responsible for all you lead astray

Again, which church are you involved with?
 
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Niki7 said:
Nonsense. An unregenerate human does not have the Holy Spirit inside of them to force them to be saved. That is not in scripture anywhere and is a false doctrine.

A person is only indwelt by the Holy Spirit when they accept Christ. You are following false teaching.
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James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble.
 
MerSee said:
James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble.
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Are you calling anyone here a devil? Shall I report you?

Again, which church are you involved with? Are you too shy to tell us?

Stay away from name calling cause I will report you. It is against the TOS. My last warning to you
 
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