The now uninhabited Scottish Island of St Kilda has mice with different characteristics from mice on the Mainland. They have developed slightly differently, but remained as identifiable mice, since people left the Island.
Did it happen literally and physically?
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The now uninhabited Scottish Island of St Kilda has mice with different characteristics from mice on the Mainland. They have developed slightly differently, but remained as identifiable mice, since people left the Island.
Thanks Godsgood, for your question about Noah and the flood.
Jesus said, "For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. "
What did Jesus mean that in the future there would be another flood just the same as when Noe (and family) entered the ark, and that many, sadly, would perish by the flood, being unaware?
Also, what does Daniel chapter 9 mean when it says, "and the end thereof shall be with a flood, "?
Water in the Bible is a picture of God's word. We read about that in Ephesians 5:26, "That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word ". Thanks to God, the world has been full of the word of God (called water in the Bible), and as the end approaches, some will receive the gospel, the word of God. These will receive God's water of the gospel and be washed free from the stain and penalty of sin. They are pictured by Noe's family. Noe is likely a picture of Christ himself who builds the ark, and the family are those who have received Christ's covenant of salvation. The ark of the covenant and the ark of Noah are basically pictures of the same covenant of God. The water (God's word) buoys up those who are in covenant in Christ, so that they are buoyed up above destruction. They have believed the word unto salvation.
However, many did not receive the gospel, the word of God. Despite a flood of God's word, these people are destroyed. They are privy to the flip side of the gospel. They did not receive the good news although the word was being made available and did not put their trust and belief in Jesus. These persons perish in the event of Christ's coming.
Whether the past event in the Bible was physical or not does not detract from its intended spiritual meaning for the future, which, it should be noted is about real people. I think the Noah flood happened physically and spiritually, just as I think other events in the Bible happened physically and spiritually, but it may be that God's word (which is written in parable form - Psalm 78, Mark 4) should be thought of primarily in the interpreted form. So, I can not say a lot about past physical events other than the Bible record. Does God intend the parable of the sower to be talking about a real sower from the past or does he intend us to focus on the interpreted meaning? And which one is the most sure? I see the interpreted meaning as being the surest and the truest.
When Joshua crossed the Jordan with the twelve tribes is it most important that I understand that this was a physical event in history or is it most important that it is a picture of Jesus and the true believers. All true believers cross the river of judgment (Jordan means judgment) unharmed to the other side, so that judgment does not hurt them. They enter a promised land, that is definitely a spiritual kingdom no matter what else.
The topography of the pre-flood world is not relevant.
The post flood world has the same topography as at present.
How do you squeeze the ice age into a 4,500 year time span?
This is one of those questions .. yes 100% happened. I just watched (not TV ) something about (so sorry awful with words) earth and you know layers? Search is not my friend ( the crust, the mantle, the outer core, and the inner core.) Well we can all over the world see places here its something found beneath water and for it to be in these places had to be a world wide flood. Now the world will not point to Noah. And there are so many other things found should be in one place yet oddly found all over the world.
So yes really did happen.
So yes really did happen.
I have seen towns under water and so have many people around the world.
There is a problem here; we had an ice age and the enormous glaciers accumulated
vast quantities of water. That caused the ocean levels to lower by over three hundred
feet. So yes, there is a vast amount of evidence for an ice age which incidentally impacted
the Norther Hemisphere. Way more than the Southern Hemisphere.
The Northern Hemisphere had a significantly greater quantity of glaciers during an ice age than
the Southern Hemisphere. This is because the Northern Hemisphere has more contiguous landmass
at high latitudes, which allowed for the formation of the massive continental ice sheets that covered
large parts of North America, Europe, and Asia. The Southern Hemisphere is dominated by oceans and
the Antarctic continent, which already has a permanent ice sheet.
The land/ocean ratio in the Northern Hemisphere is 70% land to a mere 30% ocean.
The Southern Hemisphere land/ocean ratio is 30% land and a whopping 70% ocean.
Elect me as world ruler and I promise to saw the world in half, and eject the Northern
Hemisphere into an orbit on the other side of the sun.
This will remove the wars, political chaos, the pollution, climate change, etc. Add Trump and Putin
to that list; I am so tired of these people. They are direct threats to the peaceful Southern Hemisphere
folk.
I am the only politician in the world that can solve all the world's problems!
Yes it does. You replied to me in an earlier post that the flood was a 'spiritual truth', not actual History. If a flood occurred then it must be History.
God Bless
Here is what I have said in this thread:
I believe a worldwide flood happened literally and physically, but not necessarily recently and exactly as described in Genesis.
There are fossils of seashells on the highest mountains in the world, but there is evidence those mountains uplifted due to continental drift, so the rainwater did not need to be five miles high. However, there is no physical evidence that humans
existed at that time, so the writer of Genesis may have made that assumption in order to make the literal and spiritual point
that natural disasters should teach humanity their need for God's supernatural salvation from sin and death (1Cor. 15:54-57).
We should note that Jesus cited the case of Noah in order to teach spiritual truth, not geologic history.
GW is true, and our fallible understanding may be sufficiently true or not.
Again, the purpose of Scripture is to teach sinners how to be saved (not physical science).
2Peter 3:4-7 merely states THAT a flood occurred and why without explaining how or when,
so the text does not support your idea that it does.
You forget the truth that God's Word is manifested by creation, not only by Scripture (Gen. 1:1-3, John 1:1, Rom. 1:20),
so a truthseeker seeks to harmonize both rather than ignore one.
Merely saying "the flood must be history" does not refute a word I said!
If you disagree with or want to refute something I said, please be specific. Thanks.
(Ditto blessing :^)
Surely pre-flood topography is relevant when considering the question of how all the animals got to where the ark was.
I never mentioned the Ice Age, or any 4,500 year tome span.
Hi All… the Christian ministry, “Answers In Genesis” has answers to the all the questions people have posed in this thread. I encourage everyone to check their website.
I have visited their “Ark Encounter”. It is fascinating walking through a 500-foot-long replica of the ark, seeing technology from the time, and learning how the biblical record is very plausible.
I have visited their “Ark Encounter”. It is fascinating walking through a 500-foot-long replica of the ark, seeing technology from the time, and learning how the biblical record is very plausible.
Let us remind everyone.
Everyone's opinion to the topic is welcome
It is not a big deal who is right and who is wrong. The important is to share what we believe is from God.
We are in this thread to seek for the truth.
Hello! That's a head scratcher to be sure. The Lord Jesus definitely said there were people around in the days of Noah:
Matthew 24: 37-39 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away
So there is your evidence that people existed at that time, the clear teaching of the Son of God.
God Bless
Yes, being in the UK I am unfortunately unable to visit Ark Encounter. I've seen videos of it, though.
Hello! That's a head scratcher to be sure. The Lord Jesus definitely said there were people around in the days of Noah:
Matthew 24: 37-39 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away
So there is your evidence that people existed at that time, the clear teaching of the Son of God.
God Bless
Thanks for being specific by citing Scripture you have in mind. I will reply after reviewing what I have said so far:
I believe a worldwide flood happened literally and physically, but not necessarily recently and exactly as described in Genesis.
There are fossils of seashells on the highest mountains in the world, but there is evidence those mountains uplifted due to continental drift, so the rainwater did not need to be five miles high. However, there is no physical evidence that humans existed at that time, so the writer of Genesis may have made that assumption in order to make the literal and spiritual point that natural disasters should teach humanity their need for God's supernatural salvation from sin and death (1Cor. 15:54-57).
We should note that Jesus cited the case of Noah in order to teach spiritual truth, not geologic history.
Again, the purpose of Scripture is to teach sinners how to be saved (not physical science).
2Peter 3:4-7 merely states THAT a flood occurred and why without explaining how or when,
so the text does not support your idea that it does. You forget the truth that God's Word is also manifested by creation,
not only by Scripture (Gen. 1:1-3, John 1:1, Rom. 1:20), so a truthseeker seeks to harmonize both rather than ignore one.
Okay, Fillan, you will note I said "there is no physical evidence that humans existed" at the time of a worldwide flood.
In Matt. 24:37-39 Jesus merely cited Gen. 6:1-13 saying THAT humans existed at the time of the flood, but he did NOT cite
physical evidence, because his purpose was not to teach physical science but rather how to be saved.
Over...
(Ditto :^)
It is better if we express our own understanding first by sharing. Then let God reveal which or what is the truth.
Like what Nicodemus did and Jesus revealed the truth in their topic of born again.
JOHN 3:1-5
3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
How did so many creatures move across land and sea and end up in only one country?
Yes, it is one of my question too if it did happen literally & physically.
I think about kangaroo & koala bear in Australia.
Panda bear in China and other different countries who have different kinds of Animals.
How about the Dinosaurs?
How about the different insects we have?
I can't think that this all kinds of Animals we have right now were all lived in the country or place where Noah's lived.
Because some different Animals are only existed in different countries due to having different weathers.