Did it happen literally and physically?

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GENESIS 6:13-22
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.
 
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Hello @Godsgood, did what happen literally/physically (the Flood, the building of the Ark, the Noahic covenant & its sign, that all died on the Earth at that time except for the 8 and the animals onboard, that all of the various kinds of animals made it onto the Ark, all of the aforementioned......) :unsure:

In answer to your OP question (assuming that you are asking in regard to the whole of it as reported in Genesis 6-9), I believe that it did, both literally and physically.

What do you believe about it :unsure:

Thanks :)

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy
p.s. - a final thought about this is that both the Lord Jesus and His Apostles confirm the OT's Flood account in several places in the NT, yes .. e.g. Matthew 24:38-39; Hebrews 11:7, 2 Peter 2:5.
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GENESIS 6:13-22
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

I believe a worldwide flood happened literally and physically, but not necessarily recently and exactly as described in Genesis.
There are fossils of seashells on the highest mountains in the world, but there is evidence those mountains uplifted due to continental drift, so the rainwater did not need to be five miles high. However, there is no physical evidence that humans
existed at that time, so the writer of Genesis may have made that assumption in order to make the literal and spiritual point
that natural disasters should teach humanity their need for God's supernatural salvation from sin and death (1Cor. 15:54-57).
 
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Yes I believe it happened. Jesus himself believed it happened, so the answer is there:

As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man (Matthew 24:37)

In the days of Noah there was one Ark for salvation, just as in our day there is one means of salvation, believing in Jesus.

God Bless You :)
 
Yes I believe it happened. Jesus himself believed it happened, so the answer is there:

As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man (Matthew 24:37)

In the days of Noah there was one Ark for salvation, just as in our day there is one means of salvation, believing in Jesus.

God Bless You :)

We should note that Jesus cited the case of Noah in order to teach spiritual truth, not geologic history.
Ditto :).
 
What is called the Mid Atlantic Ridge is a zipper like seam that may have been how the "waters beneath" were release The elevation of various mountain ranges may have simply been a result of this massive geological restructuring.

Either the bible is true or it isn't.

Joh_17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
 
What is called the Mid Atlantic Ridge is a zipper like seam that may have been how the "waters beneath" were release The elevation of various mountain ranges may have simply been a result of this massive geological restructuring.

Either the bible is true or it isn't.

Joh_17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

GW is true, and our fallible understanding may be sufficiently true or not.
Again, the purpose of Scripture is to teach sinners how to be saved (not physical science).
 
I believe the flood happened and it was because the condition of the world was so corrupted, and violent, that there was no reversal to the situation for they did not care for the ways of God to have forgiveness and mercy.

It could be Noah and the Ark was the testing to the people to turn from their wickedness for God gives a warning.

God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah because they went to far in sin with terribleness.

So God sent 2 angels to test them and said if there are any righteous He will not overthrow it.

The 2 angels went in Lot's house in which the whole city compassed the house and told Lot to bring out the 2 men that they may know them.

Which means they wanted to have sex with them.

This is also testified by Lot bringing out his two daughters to have sex with them but they refused and wanted the men.

Not one person cried out men let us not do this deed upon these men but they were all in one accord.

That is when it was determined there were no righteous there and the angels took Lot, and his wife, and daughters, out of the city, and the LORD overthrew them.

And at the flood they were worse than them being more dangerous to each other and more wicked than homosexuality.

So of course God would overthrow those people.

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

The people had corrupted God's ways on earth, and the earth was filled with violence, and the imaginations of their heart was evil continually.

They were very terrible and in no position to embrace the truth.

And if they continued they would of devoured each other.

If God did not cause the flood more people would of been killed in the long run than those killed in the flood.

And Noah and his family would of suffered at their hands.

And then where would that leave mankind with nobody seeking God's ways.

But God protected Noah and wiped them out.

There is no way the people would have been that sinful unless the fallen angels influenced them.

Some people will say God is cruel not understanding the situation.

God puts down a 1,000 to save 10,000 for He does it to protect people which the people that would suffer would be greater than the people that were put down.

That is why God told Israel to put down all the people including the children in some instances for they were doing much harm and cruelty to those around them including children.

And God knows the heart that the children would grow up and follow in their nations footsteps and do much hurt to people and their children.

2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly.

Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age that interprets the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of the Cosmos, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.

The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age.

It is going to happen again the fallen angels will influence mankind and they will be continually evil like at the flood.

They believe Lucifer is a god, and an alien, that gave mankind intelligence, and will hep mankind to have peace, advance, and evolve along with the New Age Christ.

Alice Bailey the biggest prophet of the new age.

She claimed to be a conservative Christian but changed her beliefs to the occult, and an occult interpretation of the Bible given to her by a Tibetan Monk.

She said there is an outer circle and inner circle of the occult and the inner circle is the true church which is the occult secret societies.

She was married to a Freemason who agreed with her occult teachings and theosophy so he is part of the inner circle of Freemasonry.

The esoteric meaning of Lucifer.

lucistrust.org

There are comments on the World Wide Web claiming that the Lucis Trust was once called the Lucifer Trust. Such was never the case.

However, for a brief period of two or three years in the early 1920’s, when Alice and Foster Bailey were beginning to publish the books published under her name, they named their fledgling publishing company “Lucifer Publishing Company”.

By 1925 the name was changed to Lucis Publishing Company and has remained so ever since. Both “Lucifer” and “Lucis” come from the same word root, lucis being the Latin generative case meaning of light.

The Baileys' reasons for choosing the original name are not known to us, but we can only surmise that they, like the great teacher H.P. Blavatsky, for whom they had enormous respect, sought to elicit a deeper understanding of the sacrifice made by Lucifer.

Alice and Foster Bailey were serious students and teachers of Theosophy, a spiritual tradition which views Lucifer as one of the solar Angels, those advanced Beings Who Theosophy says descended (thus “the fall”) from Venus to our planet eons ago to bring the principle of mind to what was then animal-man.

In the theosophical perspective, the descent of these solar Angels was not a fall into sin or disgrace but rather an act of great sacrifice, as is suggested in the name “Lucifer” which means light-bearer.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

It is time for God to end sin on earth so He is allowing the world 7 years to go against the truth.

This will cause the fallen angels to be able to influence mankind more somewhat during the first three and one half years.

Which the New Age Christ will be influenced by the devil.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

This war has not happened yet but happens in the middle of the 7 years period where Satan is cast to earth not having access to the 1st and 2nd heaven.

The earth becomes the devils holding cell which they deceive all people who do not love the truth which is the strong delusion.

Satan is off his leash represented as the beast ascending out of the bottomless pit and he appears as the antichrist to deceive.

For the last three and one half years the New Age Christ is controlled by the devil.

When the world takes the mark of the beast they will obtain the nature of a devil so salvation is no longer available to the world and God will end sin on earth.
 
GENESIS 6:13-22
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

If it did happen literally and physically. I have some questions on how Noah's family together with the animals on how they survived the great deluge.

Such as, I can't imagine an ark in the middle of the great deluge without an engine.

How do Noah's family together with the animals preserve their food and water to drink considering it took 10 month before the water decreased (Gen 8:5)?

How do they cook their food?
 
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Hello @Godsgood, did what happen literally/physically (the Flood, the building of the Ark, the Noahic covenant & its sign, that all died on the Earth at that time except for the 8 and the animals onboard, that all of the various kinds of animals made it onto the Ark, all of the aforementioned......) :unsure:

In answer to your OP question (assuming that you are asking in regard to the whole of it as reported in Genesis 6-9), I believe that it did, both literally and physically.

What do you believe about it :unsure:

Thanks :)

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy
p.s. - a final thought about this is that both the Lord Jesus and His Apostles confirm the OT's Flood account in several places in the NT, yes .. e.g. Matthew 24:38-39; Hebrews 11:7, 2 Peter 2:5.
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There are questions that need to be answered if it did happen literally & physically.
 
The flood of Noah’s time was literal and physical. There is an overwhelming amount of physical evidence.

Only those who have an agenda to protect will refuse to examine the evidence or will reject what they do see.
 
We should note that Jesus cited the case of Noah in order to teach spiritual truth, not geologic history.
Ditto :).

Hello! I respectfully but strenuously disagree, we shouldn't note that, I don't think the text supports that idea. Please take a look at this passage from Peter:

5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. (2 Peter 3:4-7)

The Apostle Peter is clearly referring to the flood of Noah as an actual historical event, a global cataclysmic event.

From the passage there are two alternatives, one can believe in the truth of God's word or one can deliberately forget.

God Bless You :)
 
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Hello! I respectfully but strenuously disagree, we shouldn't note that, I don't think the text supports that idea. Please take a look at this passage from Peter:

5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. (2 Peter 3:4-7)

The Apostle Peter is clearly referring to the flood of Noah as an actual historical event, a global cataclysmic event.

From the passage there are two alternatives, one can believe in the truth of God's word or one can deliberately forget.

God Bless You :)

2Peter 3:4-7 merely states THAT a flood occurred and why without explaining how or when,
so the text does not support your idea that it does.

You forget the truth that God's Word is manifested by creation, not only by Scripture (Gen. 1:1-3, John 1:1, Rom. 1:20),
so a truthseeker seeks to harmonize both rather than ignore one.

Ditto.
 
Hello! I respectfully but strenuously disagree, we shouldn't note that, I don't think the text supports that idea. Please take a look at this passage from Peter:

5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. (2 Peter 3:4-7)

The Apostle Peter is clearly referring to the flood of Noah as an actual historical event, a global cataclysmic event.

From the passage there are two alternatives, one can believe in the truth of God's word or one can deliberately forget.

God Bless You :)
Moreover, Jesus' teaching there wasn't some spiritual metaphor- it was a literal simile. He was saying people are going to act in the future just like they did in the past.
 
If it did happen literally and physically. I have some questions on how Noah's family together with the animals on how they survived the great deluge.

Such as, I can't imagine an ark in the middle of the great deluge without an engine.

How do Noah's family together with the animals preserve their food and water to drink considering it took 10 month before the water decreased (Gen 8:5)?

How do they cook their food?
I can't imagine an ark in the middle of a great deluge with an engine. The engine is just taking up space; it's not like they actually had someplace to go.

There's no way to know exactly what they did for food. IIRC, people didn't eat animals until after the flood; so they didn't really need to cook what they were probably eating. They obviously weren't having cruise-ship quality gourmet; but being able to eat for survival for that long isn't implausible... and to me it's a good explanation for why Noah's first order of business after the flood was to start a vineyard and get hammered.
 
Hello! I respectfully but strenuously disagree, we shouldn't note that, I don't think the text supports that idea. Please take a look at this passage from Peter:

5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. (2 Peter 3:4-7)

The Apostle Peter is clearly referring to the flood of Noah as an actual historical event, a global cataclysmic event.

From the passage there are two alternatives, one can believe in the truth of God's word or one can deliberately forget.

God Bless You :)

If a world wide flood occurred.

How did so many creatures move across land and sea and end up in only one country?

For example,
  • Kiwi: A flightless, nocturnal bird and a national symbol of New Zealand.
Kiwi birds do not exist in other countries they only exist in New Zealand.

New Zealand is only 14,000 km from the Middle East.

So did two Kiwi birds walk and swim to New Zealand and no where else?
 
If a world wide flood occurred.

How did so many creatures move across land and sea and end up in only one country?

For example,
  • Kiwi: A flightless, nocturnal bird and a national symbol of New Zealand.
Kiwi birds do not exist in other countries they only exist in New Zealand.

New Zealand is only 14,000 km from the Middle East.

So did two Kiwi birds walk and swim to New Zealand and no where else?
First, we don't know much about the topography of the pre-Flood world. Second, and more important, because we are told this in the bible, Almighty God brought the animals to the ark. A God Who could flood the world would not have problems bringing flightless kiwis to the ark:

““Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind]will come to you to keep them alive.” (Ge 6:20 NKJV)

John Gill, commenting on that verse, says:

"two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive; that is, they shall come of themselves, as Jarchi and Aben Ezra observe, the providence of God so directing and impelling them, just as the creatures came to Adam; so that there was no need for Noah to take any pains by hunting or hawking to get such a number together:"