Hey everyone! I’m new here. I’ve noticed there are so many interpretations of the Bible and a lot of different perspectives — many of them sounding very logical. I also know that sometimes teachings can reflect a person’s own lifestyle rather than what’s truly accurate.
I’m here to learn, gain perspective, and hear from others so I can broaden my understanding. Looking forward to the conversations
My views clash with most here...I will try to explain better...
The entire problem is the Greek view...it blurs and conflates the line between
salvation and
sanctification
Greek view see's Salvation determined by our faithfulness, so it is iffy at best because you may give into the flesh and it's appetites and end up losing your Salvation.
In the Greek Gospel view Sanctification has the same premise; you and not God determines if you stay Saved or lose your Salvation.
Hebraic view see's Salvation gifted to ungodly men at the Atonement (Justified); so we are secure eternally in Him. The Atonement was not dependent on us but on God who died for us.
Hebraic view Sanctification is a cooperative work God has given us to become transformed into the image of Messiah. If we resist and willfully live in the flesh, we will pay the price in loss of fellowship here and rewards there (Sanctification)...Salvation is eternally secure.
Greek construct makes salvation conditional on man’s endurance, while the
Hebraic construct anchors salvation in God’s covenant faithfulness and treats sanctification as a separate, cooperative process.
Greek Gospel: Man‑centric, conflating salvation with sanctification, leaving believers insecure.
Hebraic Gospel: God‑centric, distinguishing salvation as eternally secure from sanctification as cooperative transformation with consequences for fellowship and reward.
The whole matter comes down to this: Did God atone for the sins of ungodly men, or did He not? Yes — He did, as a free gift. We could never be faithful enough, which is why God enacted the New Covenant: to save us by placing our sinful selves into Messiah, who bore our sins and chastisement.
Romans 8:30
“And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.”
This is the true Gospel — the covenantal Father’s Gospel — not the Greek Gospel of meism.
This is why I lean toward the New Testament being originally written in Hebrew (see HebrewGospel.com) and only later translated into Greek: the Greek framing presents an
entirely different view of salvation. The NT is saturated with Hebraic thought — imagery, idioms, chiasms — and when weighed against the covenantal history of God’s dealings with humanity since the fall, the Hebraic reading is far more consistent with His covenantal character.
The Greek Gospel
skews the New Covenant into a foreign, man‑centered construct. The evidence lies in who is seen as the determiner of salvation: in the
Greek view, it is man; in the
Hebraic view, it is the covenantal Father.
Greek NT Construct — “Man‑Centric Gospel”
- Basis of salvation = my faithfulness, belief, loyalty
“For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.” — Romans 3:28
- Atonement reserved for those who believe “Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already.” — John 3:18
- Security conditional on endurance “But the one who endures to the end will be saved.” — Matthew 24:13
- Risk of losing salvation “You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.” — Galatians 5:4
Hebrew NT Construct — “Covenantal Father’s Gospel”
- Basis of salvation = God’s grace, faithfulness, covenantal love “But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” — Romans 5:8
- Atonement freely gifted to the ungodly “And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness.” — Romans 4:5
- Security eternal, guaranteed by God’s faithfulness “My sheep hear my voice… I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.” — John 10:27–28
- Failure in the flesh brings loss of reward, not loss of salvation “If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.” — 1 Corinthians 3:15
Fundamental Difference
- Greek Gospel: Man‑centric, conditional, insecure — salvation hinges on human endurance.
- Hebrew Gospel: God‑centric, covenantal, secure — salvation rests on God’s faithfulness, with transformation invited but not required for eternal security.
This side‑by‑side shows how the
Greek framing emphasizes human faith and endurance, while the
Hebrew framing emphasizes God’s covenant faithfulness and secure salvation.
Greek Adherent View (Conflation)
- Salvation + Sanctification blurred together:
- Salvation is seen as conditional, hinging on ongoing faithfulness and endurance.
- Sanctification (growth in holiness, works, obedience) is treated as proof of salvation.
- Result: Assurance is undermined — if sanctification falters, salvation itself is questioned.
- Key verse often cited: “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” — Philippians 2:12 (interpreted as salvation depending on works/faithfulness).
Hebrew Construct (Distinction)
- Salvation: Secured once for all by God’s covenant faithfulness in Messiah.
- “I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.” — John 10:28
- Sanctification: The ongoing transformation into Messiah’s image, affecting fellowship and reward, not eternal security.
- “If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.” — 1 Corinthians 3:15
- Result: Assurance is preserved — salvation rests on God’s faithfulness, while sanctification shapes discipleship and reward.
Fundamental Difference
- Greek conflation: Salvation is never secure because it is tied to sanctification and works.
- Hebrew distinction: Salvation is eternally secure; sanctification is relational and reward‑based, not salvation‑based.
The Greek construct is “man‑centric”: it makes salvation dependent on human endurance and obedience. The Hebrew construct is “Father‑centric”: salvation rests on God’s covenant faithfulness, while sanctification is the fruit of that secure relationship.
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