Dealing with Spiritual Warfare

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What about the third possibility: evil, crazy, Satan-worshipping fringe Wiccans? Personally I'm betting on Possibility 4: technologically advanced aliens infiltrating society to instigate chaos and mass hysteria.
 
trust_in_the_name said:
What about the third possibility: evil, crazy, Satan-worshipping fringe Wiccans?
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You might as well talk about Satan-worshiping Buddhists, at which point they just seem like confused Satanists.

In any case, do we really think your average Satanist spends his Sundays sitting in the pews? We can't seem to get Christians in there, much less people who actually hate the church.
 
FreedomFighter827 said:
We do preach, the Holy Spirit and aware that Spiritual Warfare is a very real thing, as for my proof of the witch and warlock... They were at a church 9 years ago they were there they told us then, my evidence is that it came straight out of their mouths, between then and now they have been asked to leave every other church in town because they fooled the people in those churches, robbed them of money, and made them doubt their faith in God, I am not the only one who knows this, but I am the only one who has connected the dots to the recent goings on in the church... Some people don't know specifically but sense that something is not right so they are careful as to who they let lay hands on them and pray for them... The random illness from Spiritual attack, is the pastor and his wife, he knows we are in Spiritual Warfare but doesn't know where it's coming from, or the physical/ emotional strength to deal with it. Why are they there, it could be as simple as unforgiveness, I know one person has dabbled with the occult, how do I know, he told me he wanted to be a shape shifter and had planned to learn it, but for good rather than evil.
I haven't said much, I pray and observe the path of destruction, the church as a people are crumbling around me, there must be something I can do?
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All this stuff just makes me mad. I deal with this all the time. First of all the the person who says he wants to learn demonic shape stuff for the good there is no such thing as doing demonic stuff for the good. Evil is evil. Stay away from this person. Maybe this person is causing the problems. Doing that opens a door from hell.

I am warning you if you do not know what you are doing stay out of this. Demons can and will attack you even if you know lots of what to do.

Lots of people here have lots of book information on what to do but have never actually had inter actions with demons.

Demons can attack even if there is no sin. Jesus is the perfect example of that.

If these people are really witches and your pastor doesn't throw them out like the other churches then I say why?

Witches are assigned to break up churches. That's there jobs. They are assigned by Satan to do this.

You could be dealing with all kinds of demons.

We all have authority over demons but not all are called to deal with a tremendous ordeal as you are speaking of.

Where are the church elders?

Get some oil. Ask God to bless it in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Everyday put it on your head. Plead the blood of Jesus on yourself and your family. Where are your parents? Speak the full armor of God on yourself.

Anoint your house. Anoint the church. Anoint the grounds around the church. Call the protection of God and his angels to protect you and your church. Bind the demons in the name of Jesus. Ask God to bind the evil human spirits.

Call for the blood of Jesus to fill this church.

You should have others praying with you.

This takes time. It's a war. Satan isn't giving up any territory willingly.

Break all the curses that have been casted out by the witches in the name of Jesus.

There must be one who sees in the spirit. Or gets instructions from God on what all is going on. God will show traps that are laid out or warn you who to watch out for.

As far as the pastor and his wife they must be prayed over. They must repent of all sin. Anointed, bind the demons and tell demons to to leave. If they have no sin the demons must leave. If they do have sin that they don't know of you can ask the Holy Spirit to show you the sin they need to repent of.

This doesn't mean that demons always just leave instantly. They fight back. They don't always give up their homes easily. Since it sounds like they are sick, spirit of infirmity get out in the name of Jesus. Not to say there aren't more demons.

Demons can kill you. This is not a game. They try to kill me and my friends all the time. Their demons. You must be on the attack all the time.

Ask God to give you discerning of spirits. Ask God does he want you involved in this. If you are not anointed by God for this then you will be sorry. You can have all of hell assigned to you.

Please be careful. Keep saying the blood of Jesus, the blood of Jesus.

There are people who are assigned to pray the forces of God onto a situation. If you are seeing things that are really happening then you could be one of these people. In the watch tower. Times these people are called to pray, bind, cast out demons with never actually going up to anyone directly.

There are people who are called to do this and they do this for years while no one else ever knows except there very close trusted prayer partners.

I admire you heart for wanting to help.

Father in the name of your Son Jesus protect this child. Send you Holy Spirit and your angels standing shoulder to shoulder to surround this child Lord. Cover this child with the blood of Jesus from the top of their head to the bottom of their toes.

If this child has any sin show it so they can repent.

Spirit of fear I command you to get out of this child. This child belongs to the most high God. Jesus.

Help this child to control their mind Lord.

The battle is yours Lord the child prays and calls forth the powers of God. Remind this child always that the powers of you and your angels are always more powerful than all the demon forces.

Father thank you for the heart of caring that you put into this child Lord. Thank you for the warring spirit you gave this child Lord.

I ask you to give your wisdom, your revelations, let this child see through your eyes, hear with your ears and remind this child not to step out in front of you Lord. Remind this child Lord to stay in praise and worship of you Lord. Keep in the study of you Lord. The praise of God forces evil forces away. In Jesus.
 
contemplative said:
I'll ignore the rest of the post, then, in which you seem to have precisely that problem. Wiccans do not openly confess to worshiping Satan. That is all.
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Well if this is your attitude; and you don't want to defend that wiccans beleive in CHRIST; then i say its Satanism. What i don't understand, is why you bothered responding, in the first place, over one of the points; theres 2 points here, i would like to be corrected on the other one as well, if you don't mind. Thank-you.

Love and Peace Forever in CHRIST!!! :)
 
contemplative said:
Wiccans. And any Wiccan worth his salt will make it quite clear that he doesn't worship Satan. There are only two possibilities here, that you're lying or that you were lied to. In either case, this disinformation is a good decade old. If this isn't your first time saying it public, you already know this.
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Wiccans do indeed say they don't worship Satan. Or white witches what ever they call themselves but none the less they are all in worship to Satan whether they know it or claim it.
 
FreedomFighter827 said:
Ok I have no idea if I have put this in the right place but at my church (Seymour Baptist) we are having a few problems of concern.
1. We have a Demon going around harassing people, trying to find a way in and further divide the Church.
2.We have a Witch and Warlock currently attending our services, who I suspect are cursing people
3. We had a lady in our church who I believe was of the occult (can't prove it though) that started rumours and accusations in the church turning members and even leaders against each other.

I ask, does anyone know the best way to deal with something like this, in all 3 points? Also can you back up your suggestions by pointing me towards scripture? and 3 the rest of the members and the congregation, doesn't know/ hasn't realized, what should I do there?

Thank you in advance...
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First of all, despite what people believe, the temple where you worship is PRIVATE PROPERTY. It is NOT a public building. It's up to your pastor. If he wants them removed, he can call the police if they refuse to leave or cause problems.
Second, the presence of demons and evil spirits prove that there is something RIGHT going on! Keep it up!
Thirdly, don't let those spirits stop you from praising the Lord! Submit to God, resist the Devil and he must flee from you.

Hope it helps.
 
I know one person has dabbled with the occult, how do I know, he told me he wanted to be a shape shifter and had planned to learn it, but for good rather than evil.
I haven't said much, I pray and observe the path of destruction, the church as a people are crumbling around me, there must be something I can do? You need to sit down and have a heart to heart with your Pastor and tell him all that you've said here..and more if there is more. First Pray and ask Holy Spirit for guidance. Possibly speak with other pastors in town and get their take on these people. This is a strong Jezebel spirit and that no one has done anything about their ability to go from church to church without any accountability speaks of an Ahab spirit.

Wiccans. And any Wiccan worth his salt will make it quite clear that he doesn't worship Satan. They make try to make it clear, but they are CLEARLY decieved. Every Born again Christian knows that there is only ONE that should be worshiped and that is Christ crucified and resurrected. If a person is not purposefully worshiping the Lord Jesus, they are in Satan's camp and are no threat to the kingdom of darkness. Matthew 6:24
" No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other You cannot serve God and wealth. Likewise, no one can worship God and be Wiccan because the Wiccan god is NOT the CREATOR.
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And shape-shifting is TOTALLY DEMONIC. One who chooses to serve Christ will not willing take part in occult practices, all which are forbidden by God.
Maggie
 
LovesChild, as to you question where are the Elders, they were the first people to be driven out and done away with, the division of the church turned them against each other, the leadership team is Ron (the pastor) who has been rendered powerless from attack, Peter, (The treasurer) who is away, and Lesley (the only Elder left) who is also away... I can see that Ron is holding on for dear life, he can't take the attacks much longer... as for the whole if you are true in God, evil spirits will flee from you, that is true, they could not get a hold of me, I was one of the first attacked... I warned the Minister and his wife when these people got here of their past, but they will not step in without solid proof, they are now fighting for their sanity, but most people are blind to it, many don't want to accept that there is a War going on in our church, Ron said it a month ago when the last of thee leaders left, he said that there was Spiritual Warfare going on, most thought he was trying to bad mouth them, people are calling for a new pastor.

MaggieMye the pastor is unwilling to accept that people in the church are willingly trying to harm the others... I can see some of what is going on and I continue to pray daily over that, but I don't know all. I also know these people ever since they got to our church, they avoid me like the plague, they know I suspect them and won't come anywhere near me, but they also know that unless I have an older, respected person to back me up, because of my youth, those in power won't take me seriously. This has to stop, but week by week more Godly people are forced out of the church, week by week the pressure amounts on the pastor... he is on edge, I know it... We have a church meeting the day I turn 18, Sun Feb 6, I hope to be rid of them by then. I know and trust that Jesus can fix this, and I know by his blood I am covered... there are others that cannot be gripped, I'm contemplating going to these people privately and asking them to Pray with me... do you think this is a good idea?
 
Another thing I find/found odd was that the couple showed up the week after on of our members went to the pastor and asked to be Baptised... that in itself sent alarm bells to me. maybe it was coincidence, but I believe everything happens for a reason.
 
Ok, Pastor has been told to take a month off, bringing the church Leader count, down to a total of 0, this is not looking good.
 
MaggieMye said:
They make try to make it clear, but they are CLEARLY decieved. Every Born again Christian knows that there is only ONE that should be worshiped and that is Christ crucified and resurrected. If a person is not purposefully worshiping the Lord Jesus, they are in Satan's camp and are no threat to the kingdom of darkness.
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We have no argument there. But just because this is true doesn't mean we can go around claiming they actually admit to worshiping Satan.

Glowing said:
What i don't understand, is why you bothered responding, in the first place, over one of the points;
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You said something that is factually false. If you don't know why people would respond to this, I can't explain it to you. Just because you may have said other things that are true doesn't mean you get away with spreading disinformation.
 
contemplative said:
We have no argument there. But just because this is true doesn't mean we can go around claiming they actually admit to worshiping Satan.



You said something that is factually false. If you don't know why people would respond to this, I can't explain it to you. Just because you may have said other things that are true doesn't mean you get away with spreading disinformation.
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There only 2 points made; they go hand in hand; so if he 2nd ones true, i verifies that he first one is also, which makes all of this a total waste of time; WICCANS ARE SATANIST'S!.

This is a place to either discuss or learn about CHRIST Duh!
 
FF827: If the pastor is doing nothing then you also can only pray...speak out and declare them Gone in the name of Jesus. Is the pastor DOING spiritual warfare? I'm guessing he doesn't have a clue as to how or what to do...which tells me he does not really know the God of the Bible.
One possibility could be that GOD is allowing this for the purpose of sifting....separating those who will really follow Him and those that just sit in the pew. Regardless, you are not to take personal responsibility of any amount for the demise of your church. Give it to the Lord and just keep declaring His word over the church..."I declare in the name of Jesus that ______church has the mind of Christ, that our eyes and hearts are set on Him and that no evil formed against us shall prosper in the nema of Jesus." and the like. Do this several times a day and if you can get a prayer partner to do the same that would be most beneficial.
We need to remember that while satan CAUSES division, God often allows it for His own puposes...like separating the true from the false.
Maggie
 
FF827: If the pastor is doing nothing then you also can only pray...speak out and declare them Gone in the name of Jesus. Is the pastor DOING spiritual warfare? I'm guessing he doesn't have a clue as to how or what to do...which tells me he does not really know the God of the Bible.
One possibility could be that GOD is allowing this for the purpose of sifting....separating those who will really follow Him and those that just sit in the pew. Regardless, you are not to take personal responsibility of any amount for the demise of your church. Give it to the Lord and just keep declaring His word over the church..."I declare in the name of Jesus that ______church has the mind of Christ, that our eyes and hearts are set on Him and that no evil formed against us shall prosper in the nema of Jesus." and the like. Do this several times a day and if you can get a prayer partner to do the same that would be most beneficial.
We need to remember that while satan CAUSES division, God often allows it for His own puposes...like separating the true from the false.
Maggie
 
FreedomFighter827 said:
LovesChild, as to you question where are the Elders, they were the first people to be driven out and done away with, the division of the church turned them against each other, the leadership team is Ron (the pastor) who has been rendered powerless from attack, Peter, (The treasurer) who is away, and Lesley (the only Elder left) who is also away... I can see that Ron is holding on for dear life, he can't take the attacks much longer... as for the whole if you are true in God, evil spirits will flee from you, that is true, they could not get a hold of me, I was one of the first attacked... I warned the Minister and his wife when these people got here of their past, but they will not step in without solid proof, they are now fighting for their sanity, but most people are blind to it, many don't want to accept that there is a War going on in our church, Ron said it a month ago when the last of thee leaders left, he said that there was Spiritual Warfare going on, most thought he was trying to bad mouth them, people are calling for a new pastor.

MaggieMye the pastor is unwilling to accept that people in the church are willingly trying to harm the others... I can see some of what is going on and I continue to pray daily over that, but I don't know all. I also know these people ever since they got to our church, they avoid me like the plague, they know I suspect them and won't come anywhere near me, but they also know that unless I have an older, respected person to back me up, because of my youth, those in power won't take me seriously. This has to stop, but week by week more Godly people are forced out of the church, week by week the pressure amounts on the pastor... he is on edge, I know it... We have a church meeting the day I turn 18, Sun Feb 6, I hope to be rid of them by then. I know and trust that Jesus can fix this, and I know by his blood I am covered... there are others that cannot be gripped, I'm contemplating going to these people privately and asking them to Pray with me... do you think this is a good idea?
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FreedomFighter827

This is really sad. First of all know that you are going through a training process. You are being trained by God.

Did you get the oil and anoint? If not I don't want you telling me anymore until you follow directions.

The oil is a weapon from God almighty. A covering from God to you. A tool to be used for your protection.

This is given to all Christians but most are null in knowledge and don't use the oil of God. A application of the Holy Spirit himself.

So in your training process you are going to learn to love. God wants these witches in his service just as much as you or me.

You are going to learn forgiveness. God loves these people even if they are witches. He doesn't love you more because you are not a witch. Learn that.

God even put a witch inside of my family to make sure I stay in prayer for the witch. Her being around so close to my family members is not OK with me.

She even came one day with a demon in her purse. A watcher demon to watch me and tell her what I am doing. I still must love her. The Lord loves her and I must love her. This love only comes from God. You must ask to love like he loves. Or you will not make it through this life.

The Lord warned me of her doings. I went right over and displaced the demon from it's position as over seer. Quietly told it it had no place in my house and to get out in the name of Jesus.

The house was full of people and they don't know she is a witch.

The next night the demon watcher came and was peering into my window and swinging back and forth on the porch swing.

This is all happening with the protection of God and his angels.

If one didn't have their eyes opened by God the demon would just be there letting more demons in.

Sadly this how most of the Christian world is. Eyes closed.

I had to go out there and tell that thing to leave. Let it know I wasn't afraid of it. It had no authority to be there in the name of Jesus.

You eyes are opened by God. This is a wonderful blessing from God. Thank him for this honor of a gift. Humble yourself to God that he chose to give you this gift. It not because you are so great it is because God picked you out of lots of others. You can be happy about this gift now you are to protect it and use it. You are in no way to act prideful over this gift. The gift is to be used in the service of almighty God. Your gift is to be used to help God's people and the lost people.

Someone said that the demons being in your church was a good sign of the church being a good church. That is not true. It shows what a sad state the church is in.

That's the house of God not the house of demons. We are not talking about the den of witches here we are talking about the Holy house of God. Darkness doesn't belong by the light.

Demons coming into a church and using the people to throw people out of the church is not a good thing. Means the demons are in control of the church.

I want you to be very clear on you say nothing unless you are directed by God. You may have to sit there and say nothing for a couple years. If you speak up and get kicked out then how can you see what is going on for the Lord? You are the eyes of the church to be in service to pray to God for his powers to be sent from heaven.

This is very hard to not be able to speak. You will be tried and tested. Many times you will want to scream right out in church. Ask God for his strength. You will keep having to go to God asking for more and more strength. More and more grace. You must do this.

You must learn to control your mind. You must learn to control your emotions. This can only be done with the help of God. You will be tested on hate. There will be times you will tell God I hate those people. I hate what they are doing. That is OK. That is normal. But you must learn to give this hate to God. Only God can heal you of this. There are no special rules for you to be allowed to hate because you are in the service of God. You can not hate anyone and be of God.

I thank God that these people see the light of God on you and they don't come near you. Thank God for that.

I guess in time we get trained more and deal with more. The Lord told me there coming after me(demons). Horah!!!!!!!! Ha Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have to go. Get the oil.

God bless you.

I have war prayer tonight with my dear friend we will send the forces of God to you and your church.
 
loveschild said:
FreedomFighter827

This is really sad. First of all know that you are going through a training process. You are being trained by God.

Did you get the oil and anoint? If not I don't want you telling me anymore until you follow directions.

The oil is a weapon from God almighty. A covering from God to you. A tool to be used for your protection.

This is given to all Christians but most are null in knowledge and don't use the oil of God. A application of the Holy Spirit himself.

So in your training process you are going to learn to love. God wants these witches in his service just as much as you or me.

You are going to learn forgiveness. God loves these people even if they are witches. He doesn't love you more because you are not a witch. Learn that.

God even put a witch inside of my family to make sure I stay in prayer for the witch. Her being around so close to my family members is not OK with me.

She even came one day with a demon in her purse. A watcher demon to watch me and tell her what I am doing. I still must love her. The Lord loves her and I must love her. This love only comes from God. You must ask to love like he loves. Or you will not make it through this life.

The Lord warned me of her doings. I went right over and displaced the demon from it's position as over seer. Quietly told it it had no place in my house and to get out in the name of Jesus.

The house was full of people and they don't know she is a witch.

The next night the demon watcher came and was peering into my window and swinging back and forth on the porch swing.

This is all happening with the protection of God and his angels.

If one didn't have their eyes opened by God the demon would just be there letting more demons in.

Sadly this how most of the Christian world is. Eyes closed.

I had to go out there and tell that thing to leave. Let it know I wasn't afraid of it. It had no authority to be there in the name of Jesus.

You eyes are opened by God. This is a wonderful blessing from God. Thank him for this honor of a gift. Humble yourself to God that he chose to give you this gift. It not because you are so great it is because God picked you out of lots of others. You can be happy about this gift now you are to protect it and use it. You are in no way to act prideful over this gift. The gift is to be used in the service of almighty God. Your gift is to be used to help God's people and the lost people.

Someone said that the demons being in your church was a good sign of the church being a good church. That is not true. It shows what a sad state the church is in.

That's the house of God not the house of demons. We are not talking about the den of witches here we are talking about the Holy house of God. Darkness doesn't belong by the light.

Demons coming into a church and using the people to throw people out of the church is not a good thing. Means the demons are in control of the church.

I want you to be very clear on you say nothing unless you are directed by God. You may have to sit there and say nothing for a couple years. If you speak up and get kicked out then how can you see what is going on for the Lord? You are the eyes of the church to be in service to pray to God for his powers to be sent from heaven.

This is very hard to not be able to speak. You will be tried and tested. Many times you will want to scream right out in church. Ask God for his strength. You will keep having to go to God asking for more and more strength. More and more grace. You must do this.

You must learn to control your mind. You must learn to control your emotions. This can only be done with the help of God. You will be tested on hate. There will be times you will tell God I hate those people. I hate what they are doing. That is OK. That is normal. But you must learn to give this hate to God. Only God can heal you of this. There are no special rules for you to be allowed to hate because you are in the service of God. You can not hate anyone and be of God.

I thank God that these people see the light of God on you and they don't come near you. Thank God for that.

I guess in time we get trained more and deal with more. The Lord told me there coming after me(demons). Horah!!!!!!!! Ha Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have to go. Get the oil.

God bless you.

I have war prayer tonight with my dear friend we will send the forces of God to you and your church.
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Thank- you LovesChild; 100% The Word of God! :cool: Bless you Sister for doing something that i'm incapable of doing for CHRIST. Serving Him right in Synaguoges.

I in no way want this to come across with any animosity, just wanted to add 1 minor (but important) detail; The ointment and Oil, is Olive Oil, part of the reason why Christ gave His life on the Cross.

The Olive Branch (Freindship) brought to Noah From God in and through CHRIST :cool:

Thanks Again LovesChild :)

Love and Peace Forever in CHRIST!!!:)
 
Thank you for your input, I have spoken to those who have sensed something and seen a little and we are going to de-curse and re-bless the church building Sunday morning before church, apart from that I will continue to pray and continue to observe and pray from a distance on specific things as to not draw attention to the issue unnecessarily, yet indirectly bring knowledge of Spiritual Warfare into the church, that applies to the situation but is not obviously directed at it.
 
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