Dates and Order of the 4 Gospel Accounts:

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

Dear Brothers and Sisters, when do you believe the 4 Gospels were written? Most conservative Biblical scholars, both historically and presently, have dated the Gospels to before the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Some liberal modern scholars, because the Gospel clearly prophecies the fall of Jerusalem (and their naturalistic presuppositions don't allow for prophecy), claim the Gospels were supposedly written after that time period.

We have both External and Internal Evidence that the Gospels were written well before 70 A.D, as I believe they were.

External Evidence:

2nd C. Bishop Irenaeus: "For, after our Lord rose from the dead, [the apostles] were invested with power from on high when the Holy Spirit came down [upon them], were filled from all [His gifts], and had perfect knowledge: they departed to the ends of the earth, preaching the glad tidings of the good things [sent] from God to us, and proclaiming the peace of heaven to men, who indeed do all equally and individually possess the Gospel of God.

Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church. After their departure, Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter. Luke also, the companion of Paul, recorded in a book the Gospel preached by him. Afterwards, John, the disciple of the Lord, who also had leaned upon His breast, did himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia. " https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103301.htm

Internal Evidence:

The Gospel of Luke (and the Book of Acts) is clearly written by a companion of Paul while Paul was still alive. Since Paul died around 64-67 A.D., as even secular historians agree, it follows that even Acts pre-dates 64-67 A.D. by at least a few years, and the Gospel of Luke by even more. But there is more. In addition, it is agreed that the Book of Acts abruptly ends with Paul's 2 years of House Arrest in events around 60 A.D. Acts 28: "30 For two whole years Paul stayed there in his own rented house and welcomed all who came to see him. 31 He proclaimed the kingdom of God and taught about the Lord Jesus Christ—with all boldness and without hindrance!" Wiki says: "
Paul finally arrived in Rome around 60, where he spent another two years under house arrest.[179] The narrative of Acts ends with Paul preaching in Rome for two years from his rented home while awaiting trial.[183]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle#Two_years_in_Rome

And so, it is probable that Acts was written some time soon after 60 A.D., with Paul still alive, otherwise Luke would have mentioned his death and martyrdom for the Lord. Can we arrive still further in our consideration of dates? Yes: Luke, so the Church Fathers tell us, and it is internally evident, is “the brother, whose praise is in the gospel through all the churches" (2 Cor. 8:18). The secular Encyclopedia Brittanica admits: “The Second Letter of Paul to the Corinthians (II Corinthians in the New Testament) was written from Macedonia in about 55 CE”. And so, the Gospel of Luke was probably not only written, but even widely distributed in the Churches, by around 55 A.D. Why is that important? Because it is generally agreed, even by scholars who place Mark before Matthew among the Synoptics, that Matthew and Mark were both written before Luke. Therefore, if even Luke was written before 55 A.D., then so much more were Matthew and Mark! And so it is clear the Gospels were written quite early while the Apostles were still alive.

Thoughts on all this, dear Brothers and Sisters? Imo, this is important, both in Christian discussions with Atheists, and also e.g. with Muslims, in establishing that the historical Jesus Christ and His Apostles did really teach Him to be the Lord, the Son of God, and God Himself who died for us etc.

God Bless.

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

Another link with more details on the External Evidence here: https://cyberpenance.wordpress.com/...e-early-church-fathers-say-about-the-gospels/

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Date: January 5, 2017Author: Mark Goodnight

This is one of those very interesting topics that worth sharing. Our early church fathers had quite a bit to say about our four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John). Of the four Gospels alone, there are 19,368 citations by the church fathers from the late first century on. The following are quotes from those early church fathers on the gospels themselves:
Papias
Papias lived from 70AD to 163AD, was a disciple of the Apostle John, and was a Bishop of Hierapolis (which is located in modern Turkey). Here’s what he wrote down (as quoted by Eusebius in his book Ecclesiastical History (340AD)):

Mark, having become the interpreter of Peter, wrote down accurately everything that he remembered, without however recording in order what was said or done by Christ. For neither did he hear the Lord, nor did he follow him; but afterwards, as I said, (attended) Peter, who adapted his instructions to the needs (of his hearers) but had no design of giving a connected account of the Lord’s oracles. So then Mark made no mistake, while he thus wrote down some things as he remembered them; for he made it his one care not to omit anything that he heard, or to set down any false statement therein.​

Ireneaus
Ireneaus lived from 130AD to 202AD. He was a disciple of Polycarp, who was a disciple of the Apostle John. And he became a Bishop in Gaul (modern France). In the 3rd book of his 5 volume set, Against Heresies, he writes this:

“Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the church. After their departure, Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter. Luke also, the companion of Paul, recorded in a book the Gospel preached by him. Afterwards, John, the disciple of the Lord, who had leaned upon his breast, did himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia.”​

Later in the same book, he talks about the comparison of the cherubim angels that had four faces, and compares them to the 4 gospels, and then further compares them to the 4 covenants that God has given man (Noah, Abrahamm, Moses, Christ). He says “It is not possible that the Gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are.” And then he starts section 9 of chapter 11 with “These things being so, all who destroy the form of the Gospel are vain, unlearned, and also audacious; those, [I mean, ] who represent the aspects of the Gospel as being either more in number than as aforesaid, or, on the other hand, fewer.” Here is the quote in full context:

It is not possible that the Gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are. For, since there are four zones of the world in which we live, and four principal winds, while the Church is scattered throughout all the world, and the “pillar and ground” of the Church is the Gospel and the spirit of life; it is fitting that she should have four pillars, breathing out immortality on every side, and vivifying men afresh. From which fact, it is evident that the Word, the Artificer of all, He that sitteth upon the cherubim, and contains all things, He who was manifested to men, has given us the Gospel under four aspects, but bound together by one Spirit. As also David says, when entreating His manifestation, “Thou that sittest between the cherubim, shine forth.” For the cherubim, too, were four-faced, and their faces were images of the dispensation of the Son of God. For, [as the Scripture] says, “The first living creature was like a lion,” symbolizing His effectual working, His leadership, and royal power; the second [living creature] was like a calf, signifying [His] sacrificial and sacerdotal order; but “the third had, as it were, the face as of a man,”-an evident description of His advent as a human being; “the fourth was like a flying eagle,” pointing out the gift of the Spirit hovering with His wings over the Church. And therefore the Gospels are in accord with these things, among which Christ Jesus is seated. For that according to John relates His original, effectual, and glorious generation from the Father, thus declaring, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Also, “all things were made by Him, and without Him was nothing made.” For this reason, too, is that Gospel full of all confidence, for such is His person. But that according to Luke, taking up [His] priestly character, commenced with Zacharias the priest offering sacrifice to God. For now was made ready the fatted calf, about to be immolated for the finding again of the younger son. Matthew, again, relates His generation as a man, saying, “The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham; ” and also, “The birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise.” This, then, is the Gospel of His humanity; for which reason it is, too, that [the character of] a humble and meek man is kept up through the whole Gospel. Mark, on the other hand, commences with [a reference to] the prophetical spirit coming down from on high to men, saying, “The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as it is written in Esaias the prophet,”-pointing to the winged aspect of the Gospel; and on this account he made a compendious and cursory narrative, for such is the prophetical character. And the Word of God Himself used to converse with the ante-Mosaic patriarchs, in accordance with His divinity and glory; but for those under the law he instituted a sacerdotal and liturgical service. Afterwards, being made man for us, He sent the gift of the celestial Spirit over all the earth, protecting us with His wings. Such, then, as was the course followed by the Son of God, so was also the form of the living creatures; and such as was the form of the living creatures, so was also the character of the Gospel. For the living creatures are quadriform, and the Gospel is quadriform, as is also the course followed by the Lord. For this reason were four principal covenants given to the human race: one, prior to the deluge, under Adam; the second, that after the deluge, under Noah; the third, the giving of the law, under Moses; the fourth, that which renovates man, and sums up all things in itself by means of the Gospel, raising and bearing men upon its wings into heavenly kingdom.​

Clement of Alexandria
Clement of Alexandria lived from 150AD to 215AD, and was a disciple of Pantaenus. Here is what he wrote about the gospels (as quoted by Eusebius in his book Ecclesiastical History (340AD)):

As Peter had preached the Word publicly at Rome, and declared the Gospel by the Spirit, many who were present requested that Mark, who had followed him for a long time and remembered his sayings, should write them out. And having composed the Gospel he gave it to those who had requested it. When Peter learned of this, he neither directly forbade nor encouraged it. But, last of all, John, perceiving that the external facts had been made plain in the Gospel, being urged by his friends, and inspired by the Spirit, composed a spiritual Gospel.​

Also interesting is that around the year 180, Tertullian mentioned that several of the original documents were still around in his time. Corinth, Philippi, Thessalonica, Ephesus, and Rome. And in the early 4th century, Peter, Bishop of Alexandria, speaks of the original document of the Gospel of John still existing in his day."

 

[glen55]

The names are characters not persons of flesh nor death victory over anyone awake about it, even Lord in all man is asleep\dream in all man which means male/female if flesh meanings until you wake by light that's not born nor male our female.
Jesus, Christ, lord, etc....was a pattern that David explained it inside man. or asleep you need milk outside themselves even great flesh still asleep looking outside themselves Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

What did Paul teach and admit it was milk to powerful flesh sleepers! Romans 2:28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

He also taught meat required for inward truth about man 2Cor 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

The great readers of Torah stayed flesh believers looking outside themselves like most christians very good at reading and look and wait. Flesh is like two conventional females milk and meat, temples and churches hand made milk expert with victory of death outside yourself is classic worshiping letter for names you can't know as spiritual unseen by flesh reading secular history for more sleep.

Experience then your scripture with Christ meaning in you can be understood flesh can't.

Ps78:65Then the Lord awaked as one out of sleep, and like a mighty man that shouteth by reason of wine.

Eph 5:
13But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

14Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Its not by reading its awaken by light then reading is understood being about you.

Flesh repeats natural mind , Ecclesiastes 3:15: “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.” The “natural man” cannot grasp that, for to him reality is based only on the evidence of the senses. The man of reason could justify the verse’s end, saying if it has any meaning then the writer must mean recurrence. The sun comes every day and the moon completes its cycle and the seasons come and go. If we took a picture of the universe today, the scientists can compute how long it will take to return to this point in the picture. So the intellectual man could justify the verse; but that is not what is meant, for it is addressed not to the man of reason or the man of sense, but to the man of Imagination. What is it all about? “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been, and God seeks what has been driven away.

 

[Magenta]

The names are characters not persons of flesh nor death victory over anyone awake about it, even Lord in all man is asleep\dream in all man which means male/female if flesh meanings until you wake by light that's not born nor male our female.

 

[Jesusfollower]

Another link with more details on the External Evidence here: https://cyberpenance.wordpress.com/...e-early-church-fathers-say-about-the-gospels/

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Date: January 5, 2017Author: Mark Goodnight

This is one of those very interesting topics that worth sharing. Our early church fathers had quite a bit to say about our four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John). Of the four Gospels alone, there are 19,368 citations by the church fathers from the late first century on. The following are quotes from those early church fathers on the gospels themselves:
Papias
Papias lived from 70AD to 163AD, was a disciple of the Apostle John, and was a Bishop of Hierapolis (which is located in modern Turkey). Here’s what he wrote down (as quoted by Eusebius in his book Ecclesiastical History (340AD)):

Mark, having become the interpreter of Peter, wrote down accurately everything that he remembered, without however recording in order what was said or done by Christ. For neither did he hear the Lord, nor did he follow him; but afterwards, as I said, (attended) Peter, who adapted his instructions to the needs (of his hearers) but had no design of giving a connected account of the Lord’s oracles. So then Mark made no mistake, while he thus wrote down some things as he remembered them; for he made it his one care not to omit anything that he heard, or to set down any false statement therein.​

Ireneaus
Ireneaus lived from 130AD to 202AD. He was a disciple of Polycarp, who was a disciple of the Apostle John. And he became a Bishop in Gaul (modern France). In the 3rd book of his 5 volume set, Against Heresies, he writes this:

“Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the church. After their departure, Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter. Luke also, the companion of Paul, recorded in a book the Gospel preached by him. Afterwards, John, the disciple of the Lord, who had leaned upon his breast, did himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia.”​

Later in the same book, he talks about the comparison of the cherubim angels that had four faces, and compares them to the 4 gospels, and then further compares them to the 4 covenants that God has given man (Noah, Abrahamm, Moses, Christ). He says “It is not possible that the Gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are.” And then he starts section 9 of chapter 11 with “These things being so, all who destroy the form of the Gospel are vain, unlearned, and also audacious; those, [I mean, ] who represent the aspects of the Gospel as being either more in number than as aforesaid, or, on the other hand, fewer.” Here is the quote in full context:

It is not possible that the Gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are. For, since there are four zones of the world in which we live, and four principal winds, while the Church is scattered throughout all the world, and the “pillar and ground” of the Church is the Gospel and the spirit of life; it is fitting that she should have four pillars, breathing out immortality on every side, and vivifying men afresh. From which fact, it is evident that the Word, the Artificer of all, He that sitteth upon the cherubim, and contains all things, He who was manifested to men, has given us the Gospel under four aspects, but bound together by one Spirit. As also David says, when entreating His manifestation, “Thou that sittest between the cherubim, shine forth.” For the cherubim, too, were four-faced, and their faces were images of the dispensation of the Son of God. For, [as the Scripture] says, “The first living creature was like a lion,” symbolizing His effectual working, His leadership, and royal power; the second [living creature] was like a calf, signifying [His] sacrificial and sacerdotal order; but “the third had, as it were, the face as of a man,”-an evident description of His advent as a human being; “the fourth was like a flying eagle,” pointing out the gift of the Spirit hovering with His wings over the Church. And therefore the Gospels are in accord with these things, among which Christ Jesus is seated. For that according to John relates His original, effectual, and glorious generation from the Father, thus declaring, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Also, “all things were made by Him, and without Him was nothing made.” For this reason, too, is that Gospel full of all confidence, for such is His person. But that according to Luke, taking up [His] priestly character, commenced with Zacharias the priest offering sacrifice to God. For now was made ready the fatted calf, about to be immolated for the finding again of the younger son. Matthew, again, relates His generation as a man, saying, “The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham; ” and also, “The birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise.” This, then, is the Gospel of His humanity; for which reason it is, too, that [the character of] a humble and meek man is kept up through the whole Gospel. Mark, on the other hand, commences with [a reference to] the prophetical spirit coming down from on high to men, saying, “The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as it is written in Esaias the prophet,”-pointing to the winged aspect of the Gospel; and on this account he made a compendious and cursory narrative, for such is the prophetical character. And the Word of God Himself used to converse with the ante-Mosaic patriarchs, in accordance with His divinity and glory; but for those under the law he instituted a sacerdotal and liturgical service. Afterwards, being made man for us, He sent the gift of the celestial Spirit over all the earth, protecting us with His wings. Such, then, as was the course followed by the Son of God, so was also the form of the living creatures; and such as was the form of the living creatures, so was also the character of the Gospel. For the living creatures are quadriform, and the Gospel is quadriform, as is also the course followed by the Lord. For this reason were four principal covenants given to the human race: one, prior to the deluge, under Adam; the second, that after the deluge, under Noah; the third, the giving of the law, under Moses; the fourth, that which renovates man, and sums up all things in itself by means of the Gospel, raising and bearing men upon its wings into heavenly kingdom.​

Clement of Alexandria
Clement of Alexandria lived from 150AD to 215AD, and was a disciple of Pantaenus. Here is what he wrote about the gospels (as quoted by Eusebius in his book Ecclesiastical History (340AD)):

As Peter had preached the Word publicly at Rome, and declared the Gospel by the Spirit, many who were present requested that Mark, who had followed him for a long time and remembered his sayings, should write them out. And having composed the Gospel he gave it to those who had requested it. When Peter learned of this, he neither directly forbade nor encouraged it. But, last of all, John, perceiving that the external facts had been made plain in the Gospel, being urged by his friends, and inspired by the Spirit, composed a spiritual Gospel.​

Also interesting is that around the year 180, Tertullian mentioned that several of the original documents were still around in his time. Corinth, Philippi, Thessalonica, Ephesus, and Rome. And in the early 4th century, Peter, Bishop of Alexandria, speaks of the original document of the Gospel of John still existing in his day."

Xavier, Thank you for the posts, they are detailed and full of useful information!!

Blessings,

JF

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Dear Brothers and Sisters, when do you believe the 4 Gospels were written? Most conservative Biblical scholars, both historically and presently, have dated the Gospels to before the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Some liberal modern scholars, because the Gospel clearly prophecies the fall of Jerusalem (and their naturalistic presuppositions don't allow for prophecy), claim the Gospels were supposedly written after that time period.

We have both External and Internal Evidence that the Gospels were written well before 70 A.D, as I believe they were.

External Evidence:

2nd C. Bishop Irenaeus: "For, after our Lord rose from the dead, [the apostles] were invested with power from on high when the Holy Spirit came down [upon them], were filled from all [His gifts], and had perfect knowledge: they departed to the ends of the earth, preaching the glad tidings of the good things [sent] from God to us, and proclaiming the peace of heaven to men, who indeed do all equally and individually possess the Gospel of God.

Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church. After their departure, Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter. Luke also, the companion of Paul, recorded in a book the Gospel preached by him. Afterwards, John, the disciple of the Lord, who also had leaned upon His breast, did himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia. " https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103301.htm

Internal Evidence:

The Gospel of Luke (and the Book of Acts) is clearly written by a companion of Paul while Paul was still alive. Since Paul died around 64-67 A.D., as even secular historians agree, it follows that even Acts pre-dates 64-67 A.D. by at least a few years, and the Gospel of Luke by even more. But there is more. In addition, it is agreed that the Book of Acts abruptly ends with Paul's 2 years of House Arrest in events around 60 A.D. Acts 28: "30 For two whole years Paul stayed there in his own rented house and welcomed all who came to see him. 31 He proclaimed the kingdom of God and taught about the Lord Jesus Christ—with all boldness and without hindrance!" Wiki says: "
Paul finally arrived in Rome around 60, where he spent another two years under house arrest.[179] The narrative of Acts ends with Paul preaching in Rome for two years from his rented home while awaiting trial.[183]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle#Two_years_in_Rome

And so, it is probable that Acts was written some time soon after 60 A.D., with Paul still alive, otherwise Luke would have mentioned his death and martyrdom for the Lord. Can we arrive still further in our consideration of dates? Yes: Luke, so the Church Fathers tell us, and it is internally evident, is “the brother, whose praise is in the gospel through all the churches" (2 Cor. 8:18). The secular Encyclopedia Brittanica admits: “The Second Letter of Paul to the Corinthians (II Corinthians in the New Testament) was written from Macedonia in about 55 CE”. And so, the Gospel of Luke was probably not only written, but even widely distributed in the Churches, by around 55 A.D. Why is that important? Because it is generally agreed, even by scholars who place Mark before Matthew among the Synoptics, that Matthew and Mark were both written before Luke. Therefore, if even Luke was written before 55 A.D., then so much more were Matthew and Mark! And so it is clear the Gospels were written quite early while the Apostles were still alive.

Thoughts on all this, dear Brothers and Sisters? Imo, this is important, both in Christian discussions with Atheists, and also e.g. with Muslims, in establishing that the historical Jesus Christ and His Apostles did really teach Him to be the Lord, the Son of God, and God Himself who died for us etc.

God Bless.

I’ve thought about this before and come to the conclusion the accounts in the gospels all took place when Jesus walked the earth .

the writing of those accounts took place as the apostles and disciples lived them out and later wrote it all down as a witness when they neared tbier end so the earth would have an accurate account of the beginning of our faith

I would imagine they were written over time the things the apostles found most Important

John for instance his epistles are written rather late around 65- 95 ad this would place John in the latter years of his life on earth whe. He wrote the epistles

the gospel was always being preached by word of mouth and I’m assuming they were also writing things down even as they followed him it was important all through Jewish history to write down what was happening and what God was saying so it wouldn’t later be changed

I’d say the information in the gospel is just what the witnesses lived when they are actually penned probably years of writing later placed in an ordered account this being true of Matthew , John and mark

but Luke his account is based on many eye witness accounts and was gathered and written after he began traveling with Paul spreading the gospel to gentiles

so this one would not be the same as John and Matthew who actually are writing thier own account of what they perceived with him it’s still of course as relevant and true as the others but it came about differently and was directed more to gentile audiences than Jewish

 

[Magenta]

but Luke his account is based on many eye witness accounts and was gathered
and written after he began traveling with Paul spreading the gospel to gentiles

so this one would not be the same as John and Matthew who actually are writing their own
account of what they perceived with him it’s still of course as relevant and true as the others
but it came about differently and was directed more to gentile audiences than Jewish

Some say all the NT writers were originally of Jewish ethnicity, but I believe Luke was originally Gentile...

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes many do I’m not sure honestly because it never really says we do know he was partner in Paul’s ministry aimed at gentiles and his gospel was written from a gathering of witness accounts d also his own witness

the name Luke and the fact he was a physician lends my thinking also to the idea he was of gentile descent but of course he wasn’t an apostle but a convert to the church and his ores disciple

he seems to embrace the scribe role in a way setting the ordered account of everything he knew was true of the gospel

I sort of think as you do he was gentile but I’ve never been able to find proof

 

[SomeDisciple]

Apparently, when gnosticism transforms you into a being of light, you can no longer speak in complete sentences. There's always a catch.

 

[Dino246]

The names are characters not persons of flesh nor death victory over anyone awake about it, even Lord in all man is asleep\dream in all man which means male/female if flesh meanings until you wake by light that's not born nor male our female.
Jesus, Christ, lord, etc....was a pattern that David explained it inside man. or asleep you need milk outside themselves even great flesh still asleep looking outside themselves ...

Glen, is English your first language?

 

[Polar]

The names are characters not persons of flesh nor death victory over anyone awake about it, even Lord in all man is asleep\dream in all man which means male/female if flesh meanings until you wake by light that's not born nor male our female.
Jesus, Christ, lord, etc....was a pattern that David explained it inside man. or asleep you need milk outside themselves even great flesh still asleep looking outside themselves Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

What did Paul teach and admit it was milk to powerful flesh sleepers! Romans 2:28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

He also taught meat required for inward truth about man 2Cor 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

The great readers of Torah stayed flesh believers looking outside themselves like most christians very good at reading and look and wait. Flesh is like two conventional females milk and meat, temples and churches hand made milk expert with victory of death outside yourself is classic worshiping letter for names you can't know as spiritual unseen by flesh reading secular history for more sleep.

Experience then your scripture with Christ meaning in you can be understood flesh can't.

Ps78:65Then the Lord awaked as one out of sleep, and like a mighty man that shouteth by reason of wine.

Eph 5:
13But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

14Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Its not by reading its awaken by light then reading is understood being about you.

Flesh repeats natural mind , Ecclesiastes 3:15: “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.” The “natural man” cannot grasp that, for to him reality is based only on the evidence of the senses. The man of reason could justify the verse’s end, saying if it has any meaning then the writer must mean recurrence. The sun comes every day and the moon completes its cycle and the seasons come and go. If we took a picture of the universe today, the scientists can compute how long it will take to return to this point in the picture. So the intellectual man could justify the verse; but that is not what is meant, for it is addressed not to the man of reason or the man of sense, but to the man of Imagination. What is it all about? “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been, and God seeks what has been driven away.

Once upon a time in a land far far away.............

 

[glen55]

Once upon a time in a land far far away.............

Probably near and close for some only Once happens is funny time sleepers still, enjoy flesh religions grace and mercy still requires everts for serious waiting and looking for milk importance to dreams only close till you wake.

 

[glen55]

Glen, is English your first language?

Laughing and smile you might grasp.

 

[Dino246]

Laughing and smile you might grasp.

Please just answer the question with "Yes", or "No".