Perhaps we need to be more precise...had the sun already set or not ?
since the burial was BEFORE sunset then 3 days and 3 nights would also end BEFORE sunset ! perhaps sundown is not very clear but scripture IS !!! (with a little investigation)
Crucifixion Day
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Perhaps we need to be more precise...had the sun already set or not ?
since the burial was BEFORE sunset then 3 days and 3 nights would also end BEFORE sunset ! perhaps sundown is not very clear but scripture IS !!! (with a little investigation)
It is not considered a continuation of a day as what you are suggesting....It did not matter if Jesus was buried at 9 am in the morning... It idea is that HE was buried for 3 days and 3 nights. The evenings at 6pm started and ended each day. Each day was divided into twelve hour sections. This helped differentiate one hour from the same hour twelve later.
Wednesday 6pm to Thursday 6pm was considered day 1...Thursday 6pm to Friday 6pm = day 2. Friday 6pm to Saturday 6pm he Sabbath day = 3rd day....
Any time after 6pm Saturday would fulfill the resurrection prophecy (after three days or as Jonah did 3 days and nights in the belly of the big fish).
Scripture does NOT say a day starts at 6pm....people say so. Since it starts biblically after sunset we need to stick with this... esp since sunset was implied in the burial of Jesus Lk 23v54....and 1Cor 15v4 says all was according to scripture.
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Or the last supper after sundown Thursday, arrested in the forth watch of the night, risen during the forth watch of Sunday night, remembering a new day starts at the evening. To reach the belly one needs to pass by the teeth of the whale and those Pharisees were some big whales.
Modern Ethopians have regular time and 12 hours of day time starting at 6 am and 12 hours of night starting at 6 pm. They also believe that they are keeping the Ark of the Covenant to give it to the Messiah when He returns.
But it is true that the Sabbath doesn't start until the sun goes down.
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● Luke 23:50-54 . . And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a
counselor; and he was a good man, and a just (The same had not consented
to the counsel and deed of them) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews:
who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.
. . .This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. And he took it
down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulcher that was hewn in
stone, wherein never man before was laid. And that day was the
preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
For the benefit of those looking in who may not be familiar with the ancient
Jews' religion: the day of preparation is set aside for the Jews to rid their
homes of leavened bread; plus slaughter and roast lambs with fire ready to
eat for that night's Passover dinner. (Exodus chapter 12)
Preparation day in 2018 is Friday, March 30. So; if Jesus were to be crucified
in 2018, his first night in the tomb would be Friday night, his second night
would be Saturday night, and his third night-- as per Matt 12:40 --would be
Sunday night.
His first day in the tomb would be Saturday, his second day would be
Sunday, and his third day-- as per Matt 12:40 --would be Monday.
Monday would also be Christ's resurrection day seeing as how the
preponderance of evidence attests that he rose from the dead on the third
day rather than after the third day was over and done with.
Matt 17:22-23
Mark 9:31
Luke 9:22
Luke 24:21-23
Luke 24:46
Acts 10:40
1Cor 15:4
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● Luke 23:50-54 . . And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a
counselor; and he was a good man, and a just (The same had not consented
to the counsel and deed of them) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews:
who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.
. . .This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. And he took it
down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulcher that was hewn in
stone, wherein never man before was laid. And that day was the
preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
For the benefit of those looking in who may not be familiar with the ancient
Jews' religion: the day of preparation is set aside for the Jews to rid their
homes of leavened bread; plus slaughter and roast lambs with fire ready to
eat for that night's Passover dinner. (Exodus chapter 12)
Preparation day in 2018 is Friday, March 30. So; if Jesus were to be crucified
in 2018, his first night in the tomb would be Friday night, his second night
would be Saturday night, and his third night-- as per Matt 12:40 --would be
Sunday night.
His first day in the tomb would be Saturday, his second day would be
Sunday, and his third day-- as per Matt 12:40 --would be Monday.
Monday would also be Christ's resurrection day seeing as how the
preponderance of evidence attests that he rose from the dead on the third
day rather than after the third day was over and done with.
Matt 17:22-23
Mark 9:31
Luke 9:22
Luke 24:21-23
Luke 24:46
Acts 10:40
1Cor 15:4
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In the end is it a salvation issue ?
Am I unsaved because I have not studied and argued
over the nuances of Jewish hours and days?
I rejoice in the resurrection and in the victory over death
and Satan that is now available to me.
And just as the Holy Spirit of God raised up Jesus on the third day
now also has raised me up from death and given me new life in Jesus,
my Lord, my Redeemer and my God.
And the Jews still do not have this!
Am I unsaved because I have not studied and argued
over the nuances of Jewish hours and days?
I rejoice in the resurrection and in the victory over death
and Satan that is now available to me.
And just as the Holy Spirit of God raised up Jesus on the third day
now also has raised me up from death and given me new life in Jesus,
my Lord, my Redeemer and my God.
And the Jews still do not have this!
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The sabbath mentioned in Luke 23:50-54 was very special.
● John 19:31 . .The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the
bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that
sabbath day was an high day) besought Pilate that their legs might be
broken, and that they might be taken away.
"high" is translated from the koiné Greek word megas (meg'-as) which
essentially means big, i.e. great.
Regular sabbaths are neither high, nor, big, nor great days; they're same-o,
same-o days; i.e. just routine. There's nothing all that special about a
regular sabbath like there is the first day of the feast of unleavened bread
because that sabbath's night is the Passover lamb dinner.
● John 18:28 . .Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of
judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the
judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the
passover.
● John 19:14 . . And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the
sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
There are more sabbaths in the Bible besides the usual seventh day. For
example:
Yom Kippur (Lev 23:32)
Feast of Trumpets (Lev 23:23-25)
Feast of Unleavened Bread; a,k.a. Passover. (Ex 12:16, Lev 23:5-8)
Passover sabbath is interesting. The usual sabbath always falls on the very
same day of the week every time. But Passover sabbath floats; hence it can,
and it does, occur on any given day of the week; sometimes even coincident
with the usual sabbath; for example 2018, and sometimes consecutive with
the usual sabbath; for example 2008.
Factoring the Passover sabbath into the chronology of Matt 12:40 in order to
obtain a third night is actually fairly easy once you're aware of it. But be
forewarned; there are a number of Good Friday's resolute defenders who
refuse to allow John's high day to be other than the routine sabbath; and
they've concocted some very convincing sophistry to support their view.
It's sometimes objected that whereas Yom Kippur and the Feast of Trumpets
are specifically called sabbaths; the first day of the feast of unleavened
bread isn't. It's set aside for an holy convocation which just simply means a
sacred assembly. But it's also added that no manner of work shall be done
on that day; which is exactly what a sabbath is all about (Gen 2:2-3). In
reality, the objection is just semantic nit picking.
Anyway; John calls that day a sabbath, which pretty much settles it for me.
But it's a sneaky sabbath that usually escapes people's notice so they end up
counting only one of the sabbaths related to Christ's crucifixion and
resurrection. Without that sneaky sabbath, they're pretty much stuck with
the Good Friday model; which of course is unworkable.
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The sabbath mentioned in Luke 23:50-54 was very special.
● John 19:31 . .The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the
bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that
sabbath day was an high day) besought Pilate that their legs might be
broken, and that they might be taken away.
"high" is translated from the koiné Greek word megas (meg'-as) which
essentially means big, i.e. great.
Regular sabbaths are neither high, nor, big, nor great days; they're same-o,
same-o days; i.e. just routine. There's nothing all that special about a
regular sabbath like there is the first day of the feast of unleavened bread
because that sabbath's night is the Passover lamb dinner.
● John 18:28 . .Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of
judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the
judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the
passover.
● John 19:14 . . And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the
sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
There are more sabbaths in the Bible besides the usual seventh day. For
example:
Yom Kippur (Lev 23:32)
Feast of Trumpets (Lev 23:23-25)
Feast of Unleavened Bread; a,k.a. Passover. (Ex 12:16, Lev 23:5-8)
Passover sabbath is interesting. The usual sabbath always falls on the very
same day of the week every time. But Passover sabbath floats; hence it can,
and it does, occur on any given day of the week; sometimes even coincident
with the usual sabbath; for example 2018, and sometimes consecutive with
the usual sabbath; for example 2008.
Factoring the Passover sabbath into the chronology of Matt 12:40 in order to
obtain a third night is actually fairly easy once you're aware of it. But be
forewarned; there are a number of Good Friday's resolute defenders who
refuse to allow John's high day to be other than the routine sabbath; and
they've concocted some very convincing sophistry to support their view.
It's sometimes objected that whereas Yom Kippur and the Feast of Trumpets
are specifically called sabbaths; the first day of the feast of unleavened
bread isn't. It's set aside for an holy convocation which just simply means a
sacred assembly. But it's also added that no manner of work shall be done
on that day; which is exactly what a sabbath is all about (Gen 2:2-3). In
reality, the objection is just semantic nit picking.
Anyway; John calls that day a sabbath, which pretty much settles it for me.
But it's a sneaky sabbath that usually escapes people's notice so they end up
counting only one of the sabbaths related to Christ's crucifixion and
resurrection. Without that sneaky sabbath, they're pretty much stuck with
the Good Friday model; which of course is unworkable.
/
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● Luke 23:54-56 . . And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew
on. And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after,
and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. And they returned,
and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to
the commandment.
● Mark 16:1-2 . . And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and
Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they
might come and anoint him. And very early in the morning the first day of
the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
This is precisely where a good many of Good Friday's defenders drop the
ball. They're unaware, either innocently or by design, that the sabbath
spoken of in Luke 23:54-56 commences the feast of unleavened bread;
beginning that night with the Passover lamb dinner. That particular sabbath
is one of the most sacred holy days in Judaism; I'd say probably even more
sacred than Yom Kippur.
The sabbath in Mark 16:1-2 is the regular weekly sabbath. It's always
followed by the first day of the week; which, in our day and age, is Sunday.
So then; Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Salome,
observed two sabbaths in a row that year: Passover's sabbath followed by
the regular weekly sabbath.
NOTE: There's quite a bit of debate going around related to the time of the
women's arrival at the cemetery.
The Greek word that speaks of the women's journey is somewhat
ambiguous. It can not only mean came, but also went, i.e. it can indicate
travel as well as arrival and/or coming as well as going.
Seeing as how there are no less than seven verses that clearly, conclusively,
and without ambiguity testify that Jesus' dead body revived on the third day
rather than during the third night-- viz: his body revived when the sun was
up rather than when the sun was not yet up, --then it's safe to conclude that
in the women's case "went" is the appropriate translation of the Greek word
erchomai, i.e. the women left their homes during morning twilight; and by
the time they met together and journeyed to the cemetery, the sun was fully
up. (I cannot imagine any woman of good sense walking around a graveyard
in the dark; especially when back in that day nobody as yet had access to
electric lighting of any kind, not even a flashlight.)
NOTE: The original languages of the Bible contain numerous ambiguous
words that translators are not always sure how best to interpret; so
sometimes the onus is upon Bible students to do a little research of their
own. Caveat Lector.
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● Luke 23:54-56 . . And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew
on. And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after,
and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. And they returned,
and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to
the commandment.
● Mark 16:1-2 . . And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and
Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they
might come and anoint him. And very early in the morning the first day of
the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
This is precisely where a good many of Good Friday's defenders drop the
ball. They're unaware, either innocently or by design, that the sabbath
spoken of in Luke 23:54-56 commences the feast of unleavened bread;
beginning that night with the Passover lamb dinner. That particular sabbath
is one of the most sacred holy days in Judaism; I'd say probably even more
sacred than Yom Kippur.
The sabbath in Mark 16:1-2 is the regular weekly sabbath. It's always
followed by the first day of the week; which, in our day and age, is Sunday.
So then; Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Salome,
observed two sabbaths in a row that year: Passover's sabbath followed by
the regular weekly sabbath.
NOTE: There's quite a bit of debate going around related to the time of the
women's arrival at the cemetery.
The Greek word that speaks of the women's journey is somewhat
ambiguous. It can not only mean came, but also went, i.e. it can indicate
travel as well as arrival and/or coming as well as going.
Seeing as how there are no less than seven verses that clearly, conclusively,
and without ambiguity testify that Jesus' dead body revived on the third day
rather than during the third night-- viz: his body revived when the sun was
up rather than when the sun was not yet up, --then it's safe to conclude that
in the women's case "went" is the appropriate translation of the Greek word
erchomai, i.e. the women left their homes during morning twilight; and by
the time they met together and journeyed to the cemetery, the sun was fully
up. (I cannot imagine any woman of good sense walking around a graveyard
in the dark; especially when back in that day nobody as yet had access to
electric lighting of any kind, not even a flashlight.)
NOTE: The original languages of the Bible contain numerous ambiguous
words that translators are not always sure how best to interpret; so
sometimes the onus is upon Bible students to do a little research of their
own. Caveat Lector.
/
that was a pretty good 'post', WH, you have slightly 'redeemed' yourself for your former
'un-godly' statements!!! frankly, I would have 'banned you = long ago,...
'un-godly' statements!!! frankly, I would have 'banned you = long ago,...
Why do you want to make everything Back then fit the Modern today.... They did not live and die by OUR time today.... Do we still have a Persian empire or Greek empire or maybe Istanbul should be called Constantinople or maybe Byzantium...
Just thinking
Blade