Critique On Why Catholics Are Hated

[Kemorean]

Those who want to undermine those trying to reach catholics with the truth that their religion is false will make the accusation that the one seeking the salvation of Catholics hate those catholics.. This is an attempt to undermine their attempts at sharing the truth with the deceived..

They are the enemies of God and the true enemies of catholics. When they call people who love the truth haters of catholics..

Problem! How is the Catholic religion false when it is the ONLY Church that can trace itself back, Bishop by Bishop, for 2,000 years, to Jesus Christ as it's personal founder? History shows that No Protestant Church would even exist for the next 15..CENTURIES! Maybe thousands of differing Protestant Churches who can not all agree on ONE Christian doctrine..is the false religion.

 

[tourist]

Problem! How is the Catholic religion false when it is the ONLY Church that can trace itself back, Bishop by Bishop, for 2,000 years, to Jesus Christ as it's personal founder? History shows that No Protestant Church would even exist for the next 15..CENTURIES! Maybe thousands of differing Protestant Churches who can not all agree on ONE Christian doctrine..is the false religion.

Based on scripture I would have to say that the Catholic Church was the first denomination to start. As you have said, 1500 years would pass before another one started in opposition to the Catholic Church.

 

[Duskey]

Your judgement of what is in the mind of all Catholics..makes my point. Instead of judging Catholicism by what you were taught by. non Catholics and anti-Catholics..why don't you go to an actual Catholic Church to learn actual Catholicism? You will be glad you did. I was raised to believe all the usual anti Catholic myths too. For instance..Catholics worship Mary..Catholics think all non Catholics are going to Hell..Those evil Priests keep those poor Catholics in fear just so they can control them..." Sound familiar? As Bishop Sheen said - "Perhaps a hundred people hate the Catholic Church because of what it teaches. But perhaps a million people hate the Catholic Church because of what they mistakenly THINK it teaches,"

Apparently you read through biased glasses. Reread my initial post to you and grasp a hold of your mistakes regarding me.

 

[DiscipleA]

Religious organizations can become corrupt.

 

[Nehemiah6]

How is the Catholic religion false when it is the ONLY Church that can trace itself back, Bishop by Bishop, for 2,000 years, to Jesus Christ as it's personal founder?

Lineage means nothing if it has been corrupted. The claim that Peter was the first pope (bishop of Rome) is questionable, since at the very least he should have been mentioned in the epistle to the Romans.

But what everyone can do (and should do) is study the Catechism of the Catholic Church alongside the Bible and see how many false teachings are founds therein. Not to say that there is no truth in the CCC. But the fundamentals of salvation have been perverted.

For example, baptismal regeneration is NOT taught in the Bible.
Section 1213: Through Baptism we are freed from sin and reborn as sons of God; we become members of Christ, are incorporated into the Church and made sharers in her mission: "Baptism is the sacrament of regeneration through water in the word."

In fact that "water" in Scripture is a metaphor for the Word of God (the Gospel). See 1 Peter 1:23-25.

 

[Deuteronomy]

How is the Catholic religion false when it is the ONLY Church that can trace itself back, Bishop by Bishop, for 2,000 years, to Jesus Christ as it's personal founder? History shows that No Protestant Church would even exist for the next 15..CENTURIES! Maybe thousands of differing Protestant Churches who can not all agree on ONE Christian doctrine..is the false religion.

Based on scripture I would have to say that the Catholic Church was the first denomination to start. As you have said, 1500 years would pass before another one started in opposition to the Catholic Church.

Hello Kemorean et Tourist, "denominations" began in 1054 AD, when the West and the East divided over things like the Filioque and the RCC making the Pope out to be the vicar of Christ on earth (rather than a first among equals in the leadership of the Christian church). That's actually when the Roman Catholic Church began, as well the Orthodox Churches (Eastern and Oriental/Coptic). Until then, it was just "the church".

Protestants are Christians, and as Christians, we trace our history back to the 1st Century too, which includes the founding of the Christian Church, of course, something that we are most definitely a part of. We chose to reform the church, principally from the excesses and growing heresies of the RCC, but we didn't start a new church (even though our RC friends would like everyone to believe that we did ).

Though I walk in lockstep with 85-90% of RC theology, I find myself in 95+% agreement with Protestant churches, even with the Protestant churches that exist near the pale of orthodox Christendom. So, even though we do not have a central, governing body (like the Magisterium) that tells Protestants what we must believe to be considered Christians, important doctrines of the faith, particularly of the soteriological sort, are consistent throughout the denominations (which is only possible because of the Holy Spirit's mighty and continual work within our various denominations).

In closing, while it's true that Protestant churches didn't exist in the 1st Century, neither did the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern or the Oriental Orthodox churches.

~Deut
p.s. - I read something by Martin Luther once who said that 'had the RCC remained as it was up to 300+ years prior to his birth, there would have been no Reformation'.

 

[Adstar]

Problem! How is the Catholic religion false when it is the ONLY Church that can trace itself back, Bishop by Bishop, for 2,000 years, to Jesus Christ as it's personal founder? History shows that No Protestant Church would even exist for the next 15..CENTURIES! Maybe thousands of differing Protestant Churches who can not all agree on ONE Christian doctrine..is the false religion.

The catholic doctrine of pergatory shows that it is in denial of the sufficency of the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ to pay for the sins of men..

See i only have to highlight one doctrine of the catholic religion to show it is not Christian..

Christians believe that Jesus paid the price for the sins of mankind when he provided atonement for their sins when he gave his life on the cross..

But in the catholic religion when Catholics die they must go to a place called purgatory to have their sins purged, thus their religion denies that the blood of Jesus covers all their sins.. They even encourage friends and relatives and layety to say prayers for the dead in purgatory teaching them that their prayers shorten the time the dead person will have to spend in purgatory..

So it is clear to anyone who has read the Bible that the catholic religion is anti-christ and teaches against the true Gospel of the LORD.. I saw it as clear as day when i read the Bible for the first time when i was in my early 20's and left that blasphemous religion..

I hope others seek the Word of the LORD and hold it above all the doctrines that men have come up with or they have been inspired by evil spirits to come up with.. Claiming to be from the LORD but actually coming from the serpent of old..

 

[JaumeJ]

Jesus, Yeshua, founded no denomination, not one. He taught the faith of Abraham as being sufficient for any to be saved for Abraham believed God, therefore the Gospel was first given to him.

 

[Kemorean]

Apparently you read through biased glasses. Reread my initial post to you and grasp a hold of your mistakes regarding me.

Well..You said that dying Catholics die in misery basically because they belong to the Catholic Church and so they don't really know Christ or the bible. But..that was your mistake regarding them. All the Catholics I knew who died knew that they were going home to Christ. That, as that Catholic book the bible says, their "death was being swallowed up by life." That they were about to enter the Temple of Heaven who IS Jesus Christ! To share in His joy forever...no more tears...to join with the angels in their repetition of "Holy, holy, holy.." I hope that the Protestants who are in Heaven will join us in that prayer. Not all repetition is "vain repetition."

 

[Duskey]

Well..You said that dying Catholics die in misery basically because they belong to the Catholic Church and so they don't really know Christ or the bible. But..that was your mistake regarding them. All the Catholics I knew who died knew that they were going home to Christ. That, as that Catholic book the bible says, their "death was being swallowed up by life." That they were about to enter the Temple of Heaven who IS Jesus Christ! To share in His joy forever...no more tears...to join with the angels in their repetition of "Holy, holy, holy.." I hope that the Protestants who are in Heaven will join us in that prayer. Not all repetition is "vain repetition."

I’m glad to see the Catholics you know have peace. Perhaps the Catholics I worked with should have attended the same parishes as the Catholics you know.

On another note, you’re a typical RCC apologist. The passion you display throughout this thread is about the RCC, not Jesus Christ. I suggest you get your act together.

 

[Chester]

Hello again Relic, I don't know of anyone who, "puts their faith in the hands of some pastor", rather, they put their faith in the One who appointed their pastor and gifted him with the ability to understand and teach His word. We also trust that God has given our pastor the words/message that He knows that our particular congregation needs to hear each week.

Also, as I asked you in my last post, if "Christ and Christ alone and Christ only", is all that is necessary, then why does God choose to appoint and gift prophets, preachers, teachers (pastors/elders) to teach us, pray for us, & lead/guide us as members of His body, the church (and also command us to support our pastors financially)

Thanks!

~Deut

Hebrews 13​

17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you. ​

​

Thank you, Deuteronomy, for two excellent posts with superior attitude, and diplomacy. And TRUTH!

If someone does not want to join any particular denomination, that is OK with me. But one of the core essences of Christianity is community and love for one another. If you are going to have brothers and a community around you, now you have church.

All denominations are is churches that have met the needs of certain groups of people. Nothing inherently wrong with denominations. Do they sometimes get stale, and need reviving? Absolutely!

 

[infinitekhanol]

"Nehemiah6, posted
]Lineage means nothing if it has been corrupted. The claim that Peter was the first pope (bishop of Rome) is questionable, since at the very least he should have been mentioned in the epistle to the Romans.

But what everyone can do (and should do) is study the Catechism of the Catholic Church alongside the Bible and see how many false teachings are founds therein. Not to say that there is no truth in the CCC. But the fundamentals of salvation have been perverted.

For example, baptismal regeneration is NOT taught in the Bible.
Section 1213: Through Baptism we are freed from sin and reborn as sons of God; we become members of Christ, are incorporated into the Church and made sharers in her mission: "Baptism is the sacrament of regeneration through water in the word."

In fact that "water" in Scripture is a metaphor for the Word of God (the Gospel). See 1 Peter 1:23-25.


What do you think about the following? Just thinking if your interpretation took account of the verses below?

Acts 2: 37 -38 ---------- Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Nehemiah6]

What do you think about the following? Just thinking if your interpretation took account of the verses below?

Acts 2: 37 -38 ---------- Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

1. Repentance is for the remission of sins as was taught by Christ and the apostles: Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (Acts 3:19)

2, Water is a metaphor for the Word of God: That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the Word (Eph 5:26)

3. The Gospel (also called "the Word of God" itself is the seed of the New Birth:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the Word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the Gospel is preached unto you.(1 Pet 1:23-25)

 

[Kemorean]

I’m glad to see the Catholics you know have peace. Perhaps the Catholics I worked with should have attended the same parishes as the Catholics you know.

On another note, you’re a typical RCC apologist. The passion you display throughout this thread is about the RCC, not Jesus Christ. I suggest you get your act together.

I am not trying to be mean. But maybe you should see the RCC, the original Church built by Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago (Matt.16:17-19) as the Bible sees it. Jesus is the Head and we are the body of the Church. (Col.1:18) It is not either/or..either Jesus or His Church! Jesus loved and died for the Church that He said He built.. "Husbands love your wives as Christ loved the Church, laying down His life for her.." (Eph.5:25)

 

[Duskey]

I am not trying to be mean. But maybe you should see the RCC, the original Church built by Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago (Matt.16:17-19) as the Bible sees it. Jesus is the Head and we are the body of the Church. (Col.1:18) It is not either/or..either Jesus or His Church! Jesus loved and died for the Church that He said He built.. "Husbands love your wives as Christ loved the Church, laying down His life for her.." (Eph.5:25)

What would you rather have, the first edition of an automobile with many faulty designs or a much improved second edition? Being first doesn’t necessarily mean better.

 

[infinitekhanol]

"Adstar, posted

The catholic doctrine of pergatory shows that it is in denial of the sufficency of the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ to pay for the sins of men..

See i only have to highlight one doctrine of the catholic religion to show it is not Christian..

Christians believe that Jesus paid the price for the sins of mankind when he provided atonement for their sins when he gave his life on the cross..

But in the catholic religion when Catholics die they must go to a place called purgatory to have their sins purged, thus their religion denies that the blood of Jesus covers all their sins.. They even encourage friends and relatives and layety to say prayers for the dead in purgatory teaching them that their prayers shorten the time the dead person will have to spend in purgatory..

So it is clear to anyone who has read the Bible that the catholic religion is anti-christ and teaches against the true Gospel of the LORD.. I saw it as clear as day when i read the Bible for the first time when i was in my early 20's and left that blasphemous religion..

I hope others seek the Word of the LORD and hold it above all the doctrines that men have come up with or they have been inspired by evil spirits to come up with.. Claiming to be from the LORD but actually coming from the serpent of old.



I am not joining issues with you either for or against, but you may need to consider that there are sins even our Lord Jesus says are unforgivable---- the sin against the Holy Spirit which some people term mortal sin.

 

[Kemorean]

What would you rather have, the first edition of an automobile with many faulty designs or a much improved second edition? Being first doesn’t necessarily mean better.

Jesus is God. So since JESUS built the first edition, the first Church, 2,000 years ago as Matt.16:17-9 says He did then..the FIRST edition is the best edition! The later editions were built by men like Luther.. Calvin.. Wesley.. Smith.. Darby... So these are.. the traditions of men.

 

[infinitekhanol]

"Nehemiah6, posted

Repentance is for the remission of sins as was taught by Christ and the apostles: Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (Acts 3:19)

2, Water is a metaphor for the Word of God: That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the Word (Eph 5:26)

3. The Gospel (also called "the Word of God" itself is the seed of the New Birth:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the Word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the Gospel is preached unto you.(1 Pet 1:23-25)

I must assert first that I am not attempting to join issues with you either for or against. but you seem not to have commented on the second part of receiving the gift of the holy spirit after the baptism experience?

I think the Catholic Church sees baptism as a transformation process that not only confers to the person being baptized the forgiveness of sins but also the gift of the holy spirit ( as per the spirit of St Peter"s words in Acts 2: 37 -38). This is understandable because the person is being baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, while renouncing his sins and professing his faith in the trinity. Hence, baptism involves the element of believe or faith on the part of the person or else he/she would not have come up for baptism or being baptized in the first place. Believing in the trinity means that he also believes in the name of Jesus, in his words and the cross,making him his Lord and savior. The Holy Spirit continues to put him in remembrance of all the Lord has done, comforts and guides him to the Truth.

As regards Infant baptism, I think there are scriptural backings but we may have to look deep to see them. The bible in most cases did not give ages of those being baptized. There are instances where the whole household were baptized. We cannot assume it was only the adults in those households that were baptized because the bible did not say so. Also, it was recorded that the whole of Jerusalem, Judea and all regions of Jordan came out for John"s baptism. I cannot imagine a whole household going out for such tremendous event while leaving their little ones behind. If they could go out to meet Jesus with the children, the chances are they might have gone out with them to be baptised by John.

I think that, just as the parents are nurturers and custodians of the babies as entrusted to them by God himself, at their baptism they stand as surety promising to bring them up in the way of the Lord until they become adults to take responsibility of their faith and actions.

 

[Kemorean]

"Nehemiah6, posted

Repentance is for the remission of sins as was taught by Christ and the apostles: Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (Acts 3:19)

2, Water is a metaphor for the Word of God: That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the Word (Eph 5:26)

3. The Gospel (also called "the Word of God" itself is the seed of the New Birth:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the Word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the Gospel is preached unto you.(1 Pet 1:23-25)

I must assert first that I am not attempting to join issues with you either for or against. but you seem not to have commented on the second part of receiving the gift of the holy spirit after the baptism experience?

I think the Catholic Church sees baptism as a transformation process that not only confers to the person being baptized the forgiveness of sins but also the gift of the holy spirit ( as per the spirit of St Peter"s words in Acts 2: 37 -38). This is understandable because the person is being baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, while renouncing his sins and professing his faith in the trinity. Hence, baptism involves the element of believe or faith on the part of the person or else he/she would not have come up for baptism or being baptized in the first place. Believing in the trinity means that he also believes in the name of Jesus, in his words and the cross,making him his Lord and savior. The Holy Spirit continues to put him in remembrance of all the Lord has done, comforts and guides him to the Truth.

As regards Infant baptism, I think there are scriptural backings but we may have to look deep to see them. The bible in most cases did not give ages of those being baptized. There are instances where the whole household were baptized. We cannot assume it was only the adults in those households that were baptized because the bible did not say so. Also, it was recorded that the whole of Jerusalem, Judea and all regions of Jordan came out for John"s baptism. I cannot imagine a whole household going out for such tremendous event while leaving their little ones behind. If they could go out to meet Jesus with the children, the chances are they might have gone out with them to be baptised by John.

I think that, just as the parents are nurturers and custodians of the babies as entrusted to them by God himself, at their baptism they stand as surety promising to bring them up in the way of the Lord until they become adults to take responsibility of their faith and actions.

Amen. The Bible nowhere explicitly says that infants can be baptized. And the Bible also nowhere explicitly says that only adults can be baptized. The Bible does mention that., "..he was baptized at once with all his family." (Acts 16:33) Sounds like the biblical weight weight comes down on the side of infant baptism.

 

[garee]

Jesus is God. So since JESUS built the first edition, the first Church, 2,000 years ago as Matt.16:17-9 says He did then..the FIRST edition is the best edition! The later editions were built by men like Luther.. Calvin.. Wesley.. Smith.. Darby... So these are.. the traditions of men.

Christians do not build their faith on mankind seen .That's a Catholic tradition as a law of their fathers . . . commandments of men,

The idea that we walk after a "law of the fathers" or "apostolic succession" is a oral tradition . . .lies of mankind .

Because no man can serve two Devine teaching infallible masters. Laws of men calls fathers plural and the law of our one unseen father in heaven. . . who works in the hearts of His children of faith . the two different laws become adversaries that work to wrestles against flesh and blood .the pagan foundation. Spirits and principalities high place like against the Pope for those with faith .Power to wrestle the unseen inward ward battle.


Christians the name the father named his bride the church they are under the name of the first sect on this side of the 1st century century reformation the Nazarene sect or the Way .They were persecuted by two other denominations that put their differences aside. The Pharisees together with, Sadaucesss, both faithless under the faithless tradition of . . out of sight out of mind.(law of the fathers)

Today the Roman Catholic sects put aside their differences to resist being born again and team up with the Greek orthodoxia sect. .Glorying the flesh of those who have died called . Pope elected patron saints (3,500 and rising). or what the scriptures calls "workers with familiar spirits" . They are in need of a idol image (teraphim) a legion comes up, a face must be attached in order to venerate/ worship the unseen delusion.

They the fathers lord it over the pew sitters who call the priesthood of men "fathers" (Legion) no woman allowed as venerable ones . They preserve that for their make believe queen by following corruptible men as succession of men from one generation to another.

Saul before his born again conversion from above as Paul had all the right credentials, had what he thought was a zeal for god and received letter of approval form the High Priest or what you call Pope .

The government of Kill them all, out of sight out of mind .Who needs to believe in a God not seen . With their new information making Paul #1 wanted wanted list to bring him in dead.

They tried to prove all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) was the heresy as mere opinions of men and the law of their corrupted fathers the Devine order on earth

The fifteenth century reformation . .a carbon copy of the first century . Just different names for different fathers, (the same legion)

Acts 22:1-4 King James Version (KJV) Men, brethren, and fathers, hear ye my defence which I make now unto you.
(And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)
I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day. And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.

Acts 24: 13-14 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:.. . . . (sola scriptura)

Rather that worship the God of the fathers .they worshipped the father as gods in the likeness of men They knew not the God wrote the Bible with the flic of his will or hand .