creationist debate?

[eternally-gratefull]

Jeremiah 4 is Gods prophecy concerning Israel. namely Judah

 

[biker]

Then it could not be gen 1: 2, because God had not even created man yet There was nothing to "kill off"

But the Hebrew/Jews believe in Genesis 1:1 is an age of itself where the Completed Earth is full of people.

You cannot understand this because the English Bible does not translate it the same.

 

[biker]

I need to run, but I believe the Hebrew Tanakh/Torah over the KJV any day!
The English is literally a translation of a translation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jeremiah Laments over Judah
4 “If you will return, O Israel,” says the Lord,
“Return to Me;
And if you will put away your abominations out of My sight,
Then you shall not be moved.
2 And you shall swear, ‘The Lord lives,’
In truth, in [a]judgment, and in righteousness;
The nations shall bless themselves in Him,
And in Him they shall glory.”

3 For thus says the Lord to the men of Judah and Jerusalem:

It concerns Lev 26, and the desolation of the land

Lev 26:
27 ‘And after all this, if you do not obey Me, but walk contrary to Me,
28 then I also will walk contrary to you in fury;
and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
29 You[g] shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters.
30 I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars, and cast your carcasses on the lifeless forms of your idols;
and My soul shall abhor you.
31 I will lay your cities waste and bring your sanctuaries to desolation, and I will not smell the fragrance of your [h]sweet aromas.
32 I will bring the land to desolation, and your enemies who dwell in it shall be astonished at it.
33 I will scatter you among the nations and draw out a sword after you;
your land shall be desolate and your cities waste.

This is what Jeremiah was warning about

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But the Hebrew/Jews believe in Genesis 1:1 is an age of itself where the Completed Earth is full of people.

You cannot understand this because the English Bible does not translate it the same.

1. Don't go there. I have studied this not just in the english
2. Forgive me if I do not go to the jews for my interpretation of the word. Remember, they have not even found Christ yet. I would not hold them as reliable

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I need to run, but I believe the Hebrew Tanakh/Torah over the KJV any day!
The English is literally a translation of a translation.

I do not accept any of them as solid truth. They are all copies. Thats why we are t study to shew ourselves approved.

 

[biker]

I don't want to leave you hanging. let me find this and paste it for you before I leave.

 

[miknik5]

We know a New Earth will replace this one and it will include New Jerusalem. So this present Earth will completely vanish.

Yes...but there won´t be a firmament....because there won´t be a need for one

 

[biker]

theseason.org/genesis/genesis1.htm
At the end of Genesis 1:1 the first earth age ceased to exist in its previous form. God created the earth to be inhabited, and then He destroyed it. God created the earth to be inhabited, and then He destroyed it.

 

[miknik5]

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Well, tell that to the people who God ordered to be completely wiped from the face of the Earth. There was some real compassion going on whether you accept it or not!

You are forgetting that they were NOT completely lost...they had a chance to hear THE GOSPEL preached by THE CRUCIFIED CHRIST...just as Peter´s letter explains.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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You are forgetting that they were NOT completely lost...they had a chance to hear THE GOSPEL preached by THE CRUCIFIED CHRIST...just as Peter´s letter explains.

I do not believe this

I think Jesus preached to them their fate was sealed. And those in paradise (like Abraham) was taken to heaven, Those in Hades knew their fate was sealed. with no hope..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

theseason.org/genesis/genesis1.htm
At the end of Genesis 1:1 the first earth age ceased to exist in its previous form. God created the earth to be inhabited, and then He destroyed it. God created the earth to be inhabited, and then He destroyed it.

This makes no sense..

Why did God destroy the original earth? When man had not even sinned yet?

 

[oldethennew]

if one doesn't 'believe' the Torah, then they don't believe Jesus -
JOHN 5:46.
For had you believed Moses, you would have believed Me: for he wrote of Me.
MATT. 5:17.
Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

ACTS. 21:20.
And when they heard it, they glorified The Lord, and said unto Him, thou see, brother,
how many (((thousands of Jews))) there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the Law: =

some Jews certainly 'denied and some gentiles certainly denied', but to 'lump' JEWS into a group
is certainly anti-semitic', and to group GENTILES into a group is certainly anti-gentilic'...

ROMANS 2:28.
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29.
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter;
(whose praise is not of men, but of God).

 

[miknik5]

..

If you believe in the Neanderthal, then you believe in Evolution, because a Neanderthal is an evolved state from the ape.

I don´t believe in the neanderthal, sir...and I don´t believe that GOD created a first world...because, I know that The WORD of GOD is a testimony of JESUS...so, if GOD created a first world, why....why, since CHRiST was planned from before the foundation of the world was even laid....and if there was never going to be salvation in this first world which you have implied is being identified in Genesis 1:1, why would GOD have created a first...foundation.....to begin with and then by HIS WORD say, that THE SAVIOR of mankind was planned, foreknown...before the foundation of the world...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

if one doesn't 'believe' the Torah, then they don't believe Jesus -
JOHN 5:46.
For had you believed Moses, you would have believed Me: for he wrote of Me.
MATT. 5:17.
Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

ACTS. 21:20.
And when they heard it, they glorified The Lord, and said unto Him, thou see, brother,
how many (((thousands of Jews))) there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the Law: =

some Jews certainly 'denied and some gentiles certainly denied', but to 'lump' JEWS into a group
is certainly anti-semitic', and to group GENTILES into a group is certainly anti-gentilic'...

ROMANS 2:28.
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29.
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter;
(whose praise is not of men, but of God).

People interpret the torah wrong, just like they do scripture.

The jew in Jesus day could quote the torah verbatim, But how good did it do them? They crucified their messiah.

Yeah,, Alot of good it did them

 

[miknik5]

I do not believe this

I think Jesus preached to them their fate was sealed. And those in paradise (like Abraham) was taken to heaven, Those in Hades knew their fate was sealed. with no hope..

Nope...I believe ALL of Peters letter

Please, then, feel free to expound 1 Peter 3:19 through 20

 

[Nehemiah6]

Now that is a stretch!
Not a single verse in Rev 6 matches Jeremiahs like it matches Genesis 1:2 to perfection!

The issue is not a match to perfection, but correspondence:

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal,

and, lo, there was a great earthquake;
I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void

and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair,
and the moon became as blood;
and the heavens, and they had no light.

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together;
I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled

and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

 

[miknik5]

I also believe Ephesians 4:8. However, the emptying of that captivity was a one time event...GOD went back, preached the GOSPEL to those who had not benefited by HIS first coming and HE led that captivity in HIS train....when HE ascended....just as ephesians 4:8 states...and HE took back the keys to hades and death...

One time event...
Which is why those of old, that generation prior to HIS physical coming will stand in the judgment and condemn this generation (that is, those who DID benefit by CHRIST´ś coming but still continued in disbelief of THE GOSPEL...

 

[miknik5]

But I do not believe that the neanderthal will stand in the judgment, because I do not believe that GOD created two separate worlds...
HIS WORK from the beginning, was salvation...and before the world was laid, CHRIST was foreknown to bring salvation to all men who would believe in HIM....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nope...I believe ALL of Peters letter

Please, then, feel free to expound 1 Peter 3:19 through 20

I do also
and I think I did explain what it meant when he said Jesus preached
if Jesus offered them salvatio again no one would say no after time in hades.