Creation of universe

[Dino246]

So you think the Bible is rhetorical nonsense. Shame on you. Here is what the Bible says more fully.

You would do well to read a post in its own context. Maxwel's statement was referring to another person's post, not to the Bible.

 

[PS]

You would do well to read a post in its own context. Maxwel's statement was referring to another person's post, not to the Bible.

Ah, I got that wrong. I am sorry Maxwell. I realise now he must have been replying to someone I have on ignore.

 

[AxeElf]

Wow... just wow.

That was really quite a work of rhetorical nonsense.

So many of your arguments APPEAR to be oh so logical, but they're really just carefully constructed nonsense designed to couch glaring logical fallacies that shut down debate through nothing more substantial than clever rhetoric.

Your statement above is just utter nonsense, and is a perfect example.

Here you have multiple fallacies strung together into one ridiculous statement, which you can defend against any opposition by simply smearing that opposition as "irrational" based on a groundless presupposition.

It is ridiculous, illogical, elitist, and slanderous.

It might appear to be the work of a mind which is very clever, but not overly concerned with either veracity or charity... two things with which Christians are supposed to be concerned.

In fairness, I don't think you're wrong about everything.
Not everything.

However, most of the people on CC make some genuine effort at honesty and integrity.

But you just seem to have some overwhelming compulsion to beat everyone down, really just beat them to a pulp through clever sounding arguments... even if you have to intentionally resort to logical fallacies, or sink to ridiculing your opponents to shout them down.

Do you have any actual facts or evidence with which to refute my claim, or shall I just write this off as a work of rhetorical nonsense, with a healthy dose of ad hominem shaken in for good measure?

What are you even doing here on a Christian forum?

Sharing my gift of prophecy to educate anyone who may be confused about spiritual principles.

Do you even believe any part of the Bible is true?

I believe that ALL of the Bible is useful in teaching us true spiritual principles regarding God and man's relationship to God.

Do you even believe Jesus was a real person?

Yes.

Do you believe in the atonement; that Christ died for YOUR sins?

Already answered, in post #43 in this thread.

Let's start with that: do you believe in the atoning sacrifice of Christ, that he died for your personal sins in order to reconcile you to God?

No need to ask more than once; in fact, it wasn't really necessary to ask once, since this was already answered, in post #43 in this thread.

And yes, I can see from your personality type that you're going to be all upset with me now.

I am curious, pray tell; what do you think is my personality type?

And I never get upset with people for requesting further education.

Answer the question.
Do you believe in the atoning sacrifice of Christ, that he died for your personal sins in order to reconcile you to God?

Again? I told you, I already answered the question in post #43 of this thread.

Did you think I would answer faster if you asked me the same question three times in the same post?

 

[JohnRH]

If God created the universe in six ordinary days, then it adds upto nearly 6000 years from today. If so, how do we see the stars which are beyond 6000 light years? If we see a star which is 10000 light years away means, the star exists for at least 10000 years. If the age of universe is 6000 years, then it would take another 4000 years to see that star. Any thoughts??

God set the starlight in the firmament (between the terrestrial waters and the clouds) 6,000 years ago, along with the greater & lesser lights. The light was already here the moment the heavenly bodies in outer space were created. Their purpose was to give light upon the earth immediately, not 4+ years later.

 

[KnowMe]

God set the starlight in the firmament (between the terrestrial waters and the clouds) 6,000 years ago, along with the greater & lesser lights. The light was already here the moment the heavenly bodies in outer space were created. Their purpose was to give light upon the earth immediately, not 4+ years later.

Do you use minutes and seconds to determine a 24 day, if so that is not what the people God taught about creation used in that time. morning and evening was a time point that wasn’t known to them, first light of the day wasn’t the start of their time it was the rising sun that broke the horizon. night started at the first three stars appearing.

 

[maxwel]

Sharing my gift of prophecy to educate anyone who may be confused about spiritual principles.

Please tell us more about your "gift of prophecy" with which you've come to educate us.


Please tell us all about how your gift of prophecy works.... and don't be shy on explaining it's depth and breadth.

I'm sure we'd all be fascinated to hear about it.


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[maxwel]

Do you have any actual facts or evidence with which to refute my claim, or shall I just write this off as a work of rhetorical nonsense, with a healthy dose of ad hominem shaken in for good measure?

There so many things wrong with some of your posts, I hardly know where to start... so I'll just deal with one small thing at a time.


Ad Hominem.

I would be making an ad hominem argument only if:
I said something is amiss in the argument BECAUSE there is something amiss in the man.

However, if I merely suggest there is something amiss in the argument AND there is something amiss in the man, and I'm not trying to prove one causes the other... there is no ad hominem.

I believe that I have kept both propositions separate.

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[cv5]

God set the starlight in the firmament (between the terrestrial waters and the clouds) 6,000 years ago, along with the greater & lesser lights. The light was already here the moment the heavenly bodies in outer space were created. Their purpose was to give light upon the earth immediately, not 4+ years later.

Usshers chronology dates the Flood to 2348 b.c.
This is quite impossible, as the bible record CLEARLY STATES that Abraham was born in 2322 BC +/- a couple of years at most. Job is much older, as Job is the selfsame Jobab . Jobab is the son of the brother of Peleg, son of Eber. A long long time ago, yet clearly after the Flood!

"To Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg (for in his days the earth was divided), and his brother’s name was Joktan. Joktan fathered Almodad, Sheleph, Hazarmaveth, Jerah, Hadoram, Uzal, Diklah, Obal,f Abimael, Sheba, Ophir, Havilah, and Jobab; all these were the sons of Joktan."

http://www.setterfield.org/scriptchron.htm#abraham

Please note: Barry has updated an error in the above link, (which is seen further down the page) and the date stands at 2322 BC, while the Exodus has been updated to 1605 BC.

What is the problem here? The genealogies were in many cases NOT meant to be iron-clad chronologies. Usshers chronology is useless in dating the flood or creation. See links below.....

http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/genesis_genealogies.html

http://www.genevaninstitute.org/syl...rimeval-chronology-by-dr-william-henry-green/

For heavens sake people READ THIS INFORMATION...….
PLEASE!

 

[KnowMe]

Usshers chronology dates the Flood to 2348 b.c.
This is quite impossible, as the bible record CLEARLY STATES that Abraham was born in 2322 BC +/- a couple of years at most. Job is much older, as Job is the selfsame Jobab . Jobab is the son of the brother of Peleg, son of Eber. A long long time ago, yet clearly after the Flood!

"To Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg (for in his days the earth was divided), and his brother’s name was Joktan. Joktan fathered Almodad, Sheleph, Hazarmaveth, Jerah, Hadoram, Uzal, Diklah, Obal,f Abimael, Sheba, Ophir, Havilah, and Jobab; all these were the sons of Joktan."

http://www.setterfield.org/scriptchron.htm#abraham

Please note: Barry has updated an error in the above link, (which is seen further down the page) and the date stands at 2322 BC, while the Exodus has been updated to 1605 BC.

What is the problem here? The genealogies were in many cases NOT meant to be iron-clad chronologies. Usshers chronology is useless in dating the flood or creation. See links below.....

http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/genesis_genealogies.html

http://www.genevaninstitute.org/syl...rimeval-chronology-by-dr-william-henry-green/

For heavens sake people READ THIS INFORMATION...….
PLEASE!

by what calander are you using the Gregorian or Hebrew? 2322BC and does the Bible clearly state a date.

 

[BarryCraig]

Hi folks while working on a construction project in Nov 2018, I was inspector on the job and notice a rock excavated from the hillside, it split in half and surprisingly totally resembled Jesus Praying Hands in quartz like white stone surrounded by black rock of different composition. What a specimen connecting God to creating our earth. There is only one like this in the world, more rare than gold or oil. Comments are welcome.

 

[cv5]

by what calander are you using the Gregorian or Hebrew? 2322BC and does the Bible clearly state a date.

Please read the links. Setterfield's dating techniques are spot on. Abraham WAS born on 2322 BC!

 

[Dino246]

Hi folks while working on a construction project in Nov 2018, I was inspector on the job and notice a rock excavated from the hillside, it split in half and surprisingly totally resembled Jesus Praying Hands in quartz like white stone surrounded by black rock of different composition. What a specimen connecting God to creating our earth. There is only one like this in the world, more rare than gold or oil. Comments are welcome. View attachment 196071

Hi BarryCraig, and welcome to CC!
That is certainly an interesting rock. God is capable of doing all kinds of interesting things that defy scientific explanation (and mystify us as to their meaning).

 

[BarryCraig]

Hi BarryCraig, and welcome to CC!
That is certainly an interesting rock. God is capable of doing all kinds of interesting things that defy scientific explanation (and mystify us as to their meaning).

I know was amazed when I seen it. I actually didn’t keep it first day I just put to the side of a new road being built, but I could not sleep that night when I went home, luckily enough it was still there. I mean it’s so distinct and symbolic, no doubt only one of its kind in the world

 

[KnowMe]

Please read the links. Setterfield's dating techniques are spot on. Abraham WAS born on 2322 BC!

So setterfield is using Gregorian calander terminology dates to describe bible dates, those verses where written well before the invention of the Julian calander, so no doubt his dates are wrong cause the two calanders do not line up like that. I looked at the web site and read nothing but Julian calander dates.

 

[cv5]

So setterfield is using Gregorian calander terminology dates to describe bible dates, those verses where written well before the invention of the Julian calander, so no doubt his dates are wrong cause the two calanders do not line up like that. I looked at the web site and read nothing but Julian calander dates.

You haven't the slightest idea of what you are talking about. Just read the entire discourse by Setterfield. If you are too lazy forget it......

 

[KnowMe]

You haven't the slightest idea of what you are talking about. Just read the entire discourse by Setterfield. If you are too lazy forget it......

I read it, the issue is most people determine time frames like setterfield using a Julian Calander dates 2322BC are Julian calander dates and not in Hebrew dates, today in Hebrew calander is the year 5779 not 2019AD. when speaking of dates in the Bible they are based off a Hebrew calander. trying to convert them to Julian calander dates is fruitless.

 

[KnowMe]

Let’s do the math 2019 + 2322 = 4341 - 5779 = 1438 does the geno from Adam add up to the birth of abram to 1438 if so then he might be right.

 

[KnowMe]

From a Jewish calander date the birth of abram was at 1948.

 

[cv5]

I read it, the issue is most people determine time frames like setterfield using a Julian Calander dates 2322BC are Julian calander dates and not in Hebrew dates, today in Hebrew calander is the year 5779 not 2019AD. when speaking of dates in the Bible they are based off a Hebrew calander. trying to convert them to Julian calander dates is fruitless.

Completely irrelevant. Snap the Julian calendar to a known reference and there is no problem. It doesn't matter what calendar you use. Abraham was NOT born 26 years after the flood. Regardless of any calendar you choose.

 

[KnowMe]

Completely irrelevant. Snap the Julian calendar to a known reference and there is no problem. It doesn't matter what calendar you use. Abraham was NOT born 26 years after the flood. Regardless of any calendar you choose.

I understand how you feel, I know I was stuck in the modern time frame of a Gregorian calander world. and I still am what can I do I live in the United States, but no Abraham wasn’t born after the flood. the Bible speaks of his death well before the flood.

Genesis 25
7 Abraham lived a hundred and seventy-five years. 8 Then Abraham breathed his last and died at a good old age, an old man and full of years; and he was gathered to his people. 9 His sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah near Mamre, in the field of Ephron son of Zohar the Hittite, 10 the field Abraham had bought from the Hittites. There Abraham was buried with his wife Sarah. 11 After Abraham’s death, God blessed his son Isaac, who then lived near Beer Lahai Roi.