Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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ZNP

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Well that's what I mean then there are hierarchies within the hierarchy. Ie: Paul is the least of apostles, John the Baptist is the least of the prophets, the laity is the least of the clergy, etc.
Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

This is the context of this word about Paul being the least. He was given the dispensation of the grace of God. He has received the revelation of the mystery of Christ. He has been made a minister through the effectual working of God's power in Him.

8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Paul never said he was less than the least of all apostles. That is leaven that is critical to create a tradition of man. He said that He is "less than the least of all saints".

Now there are several ways to interpret that.

1. When he is weak then he is strong because he cannot do anything of himself. He understands that the true strength of His ministry is the word of God and the grace of God operating in the ministry. We see the same thing with Peter. He was the one who denied the Lord three times and yet he is also the one who takes the lead. It wasn't him, it was God operating in him as the least of all the saints at that time. This point applies to anyone who has a ministry, you can't rely on your own strength. Someone tells me they want to have a gospel music ministry because they have a great voice, I know that is doomed from the start. Someone tells me they want to help the church with the gospel because they are an accountant and were able to help a business become profitable, that is doomed from the start. These ones see their own strength as the key to their ministry. Paul saw that the grace of God was the key to his ministry.

2. We can say based on what he says elsewhere that he says he is least because of his involvement in the stoning of Stephen. His point is not simply that he was a sinner, but that his sin was in direct rebellion to the Lord Jesus and His move on earth. That is why the Lord's salvation of him included telling him what great things he must suffer. Stephen is gone because of him, he must take his place. This also applies to all of us. Because of our sins there are consequences. A guy who was a drug addict and gets saved will often have a ministry to drug addicts. He was led out of hell by the Lord, he now knows the trail to take to go and get others and lead them out. Each one of us found salvation, the path we took can become a ministry, similar to the underground railway to help lead others out of the slavery to sin.

However, you cannot interpret this to mean that he saw himself as below Peter or James in the hierarchy of apostles, all you have to do is read Galatians to realize that is not valid.
 

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Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

This is the context of this word about Paul being the least. He was given the dispensation of the grace of God. He has received the revelation of the mystery of Christ. He has been made a minister through the effectual working of God's power in Him.

8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Paul never said he was less than the least of all apostles. That is leaven that is critical to create a tradition of man. He said that He is "less than the least of all saints".

Now there are several ways to interpret that.

1. When he is weak then he is strong because he cannot do anything of himself. He understands that the true strength of His ministry is the word of God and the grace of God operating in the ministry. We see the same thing with Peter. He was the one who denied the Lord three times and yet he is also the one who takes the lead. It wasn't him, it was God operating in him as the least of all the saints at that time. This point applies to anyone who has a ministry, you can't rely on your own strength. Someone tells me they want to have a gospel music ministry because they have a great voice, I know that is doomed from the start. Someone tells me they want to help the church with the gospel because they are an accountant and were able to help a business become profitable, that is doomed from the start. These ones see their own strength as the key to their ministry. Paul saw that the grace of God was the key to his ministry.

2. We can say based on what he says elsewhere that he says he is least because of his involvement in the stoning of Stephen. His point is not simply that he was a sinner, but that his sin was in direct rebellion to the Lord Jesus and His move on earth. That is why the Lord's salvation of him included telling him what great things he must suffer. Stephen is gone because of him, he must take his place. This also applies to all of us. Because of our sins there are consequences. A guy who was a drug addict and gets saved will often have a ministry to drug addicts. He was led out of hell by the Lord, he now knows the trail to take to go and get others and lead them out. Each one of us found salvation, the path we took can become a ministry, similar to the underground railway to help lead others out of the slavery to sin.

However, you cannot interpret this to mean that he saw himself as below Peter or James in the hierarchy of apostles, all you have to do is read Galatians to realize that is not valid.
Paul is certainly less than all of the 12 apostles, for they are the highest ranked both among the apostles and overall in the kingdom. This is obvious as the 12 apostles and the 12 patriarchs of the tribes of Israel preside over the Kingdom, their names are even written on the gates. At any rate, it's a pretty vast subject we could talk about probably for months, maybe even years. I would suggest make a topic about it in the BDF and will leave off this tangent here so that we can get back to the earthly kingdom of America under the incoming Trump administration.
 

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As long as your job requires a tremendous amount of creativity and there are few repetitive tasks that an AGI could do you are probably safe, for now.
 

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She's using the Mexican military to facilitate an invasion of our country. They could really easily have sealed their own southern border, much easier than we could seal ours, or if they're really foolish they could absorb the invaders themselves if they genuinely believe the woke crap they spew. By facilitating these invasion caravans Mexico has made these mass alien invasions of America into a military operation. The only real solution will be a military solution. Trump has a heart, but he is going about this the wrong way, that is true. Trump tried to play nice with them by providing an economic and diplomatic solution, and I can't really blame Trump, it is always worth attempting the peaceful ways first. Mexico as represented by this daughter of the pharisees is so wicked and impudent that they dare to think they're going threaten America for defending itself and actually giving them a peaceful way out. They've been at this for a while, indeed all Mexico is guilty, this military problem and error of their thinking and hatred of America by the Mexicans pre-exists Steinbaum, but she is foolish enough to escalate the problem. Trump should now consider options of the military sort ranging from carpet bombing Mexico to sending our favorite cartel the CIA down to assassinate Steinbaum and then just plausibly deny it. America isn't like Ukraine where we're weak and need to suffer the games of the invader on our border, we're closer in mentality to Israel. Mexico has become a spoiled brat and believes they are entitled to do the USA harm and this explains why they are taking Trump's mercy and restraint for granted. Steinbaum is quickly taking them down the path of FAFO. You can't rationalize with barbarians, you just have to blow them away and repay their mischief on their own head it's the only language such uncivilized peoples really understand.
 
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She's using the Mexican military to facilitate an invasion of our country. They could really easily have sealed their own southern border, much easier than we could seal ours, or if they're really foolish they could absorb the invaders themselves if they genuinely believe the woke crap they spew. By facilitating these invasion caravans Mexico has made these mass alien invasions of America into a military operation. The only real solution will be a military solution. Trump has a heart, but he is going about this the wrong way, that is true. Trump tried to play nice with them by providing an economic and diplomatic solution, and I can't really blame Trump, it is always worth attempting the peaceful ways first. Mexico as represented by this daughter of the pharisees is so wicked and impudent that they dare to think they're going threaten America for defending itself and actually giving them a peaceful way out. They've been at this for a while, indeed all Mexico is guilty, this military problem and error of their thinking and hatred of America by the Mexicans pre-exists Steinbaum, but she is foolish enough to escalate the problem. Trump should now consider options of the military sort ranging from carpet bombing Mexico to sending our favorite cartel the CIA down to assassinate Steinbaum and then just plausibly deny it. America isn't like Ukraine where we're weak and need to suffer the games of the invader on our border, we're closer in mentality to Israel. Mexico has become a spoiled brat and believes they are entitled to do the USA harm and this explains why they are taking Trump's mercy and restraint for granted. Steinbaum is quickly taking them down the path of FAFO. You can't rationalize with barbarians, you just have to blow them away and repay their mischief on their own head it's the only language such uncivilized peoples really understand.
You do know the CIA was behind the build-up of the cartels in Mexico? Kind of backward to my thinking to blame Mexico, when the reason for the corrupt government in Mexico and assassination of pretty much anyone else who would have supported the integrity of the US border was the US Deepstate in the first place...
 

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You do know the CIA was behind the build-up of the cartels in Mexico? Kind of backward to my thinking to blame Mexico, when the reason for the corrupt government in Mexico and assassination of pretty much anyone else who would have supported the integrity of the US border was the US Deepstate in the first place...
Well if that is so then it'll be pretty easy to either get her to see reason or eliminate her and plausibly deny it.
 
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Well if that is so then it'll be pretty easy to either get her to see reason or eliminate her and plausibly deny it.
Perhaps justice would be better than some clandestine victory? Say the trial of all CIA personnel who were working to interfere in foreign elections? Once the corruption is dealt with in the Deepstate, it won't be too difficult a matter to mop up the corruption in all the other countries (e.g. Mexico) whose elections were stolen or rigged.
 

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Perhaps justice would be better than some clandestine victory? Say the trial of all CIA personnel who were working to interfere in foreign elections? Once the corruption is dealt with in the Deepstate, it won't be too difficult a matter to mop up the corruption in all the other countries (e.g. Mexico) whose elections were stolen or rigged.
Even if you tried that it would just result in their acquittal. You can't really find them guilty for doing their job exactly as they are supposed to do it. Now if they're conducting operations on American soil and interfering with our elections that's a whole other matter, that would be them essentially going rogue and there is a nice little place called Terre Haute for rogues and double agents. In the case of Mexico increasingly acting up, Trump using our spylords is just one tool in the military options we have available to us. If Mexico wants to continue to wage war on America essentially by facilitating an invasion of our country then bomb them is the more overt solution.
 

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She's using the Mexican military to facilitate an invasion of our country. They could really easily have sealed their own southern border, much easier than we could seal ours, or if they're really foolish they could absorb the invaders themselves if they genuinely believe the woke crap they spew. By facilitating these invasion caravans Mexico has made these mass alien invasions of America into a military operation. The only real solution will be a military solution. Trump has a heart, but he is going about this the wrong way, that is true. Trump tried to play nice with them by providing an economic and diplomatic solution, and I can't really blame Trump, it is always worth attempting the peaceful ways first. Mexico as represented by this daughter of the pharisees is so wicked and impudent that they dare to think they're going threaten America for defending itself and actually giving them a peaceful way out. They've been at this for a while, indeed all Mexico is guilty, this military problem and error of their thinking and hatred of America by the Mexicans pre-exists Steinbaum, but she is foolish enough to escalate the problem. Trump should now consider options of the military sort ranging from carpet bombing Mexico to sending our favorite cartel the CIA down to assassinate Steinbaum and then just plausibly deny it. America isn't like Ukraine where we're weak and need to suffer the games of the invader on our border, we're closer in mentality to Israel. Mexico has become a spoiled brat and believes they are entitled to do the USA harm and this explains why they are taking Trump's mercy and restraint for granted. Steinbaum is quickly taking them down the path of FAFO. You can't rationalize with barbarians, you just have to blow them away and repay their mischief on their own head it's the only language such uncivilized peoples really understand.
Follow the $$$$ bro. Thats the game.
10% for the Big Guys.

The Biden regime was by far the most corrupt in American history IMO.
The scale and magnitude was truly epic.
 

SonJudgment

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Follow the $$$$ bro. Thats the game.
10% for the Big Guys.

The Biden regime was by far the most corrupt in American history IMO.
The scale and magnitude was truly epic.
Sure, I agree, but Biden will be irrelevant very soon and the problems sourced by Mexico will remain to be solved. Solve them we must one way or the other, and that's a big top 3 reason why Trump was elected to serve us.
 

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Perhaps justice would be better than some clandestine victory? Say the trial of all CIA personnel who were working to interfere in foreign elections? Once the corruption is dealt with in the Deepstate, it won't be too difficult a matter to mop up the corruption in all the other countries (e.g. Mexico) whose elections were stolen or rigged.
Trump has a TON of options regarding Mexico.
He should take all the necessary measures to end the human trafficking syndicates and cartels once and for all.
 

SonJudgment

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Trump has a TON of options regarding Mexico.
He should take all the necessary measures to end the human trafficking syndicates and cartels once and for all.
Bingo. Take note Trump mentioned in the campaign he would not rule out the military options to solving the Mexican problem. Indeed Mexico's government and military is complicit in the invasion caravans, and Steinbaum is only making this more obvious and sealing their own guilt.
 

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Sure, I agree, but Biden will be irrelevant very soon and the problems sourced by Mexico will remain to be solved. Solve them we must one way or the other, and that's a big top 3 reason why Trump was elected to serve us.
The way I see it, "they" decided to wind down the war/drug cartels/NGO etc etc con/grift/scamming.
They gorged on taxpayer theft, and the concomitant kickbacks and money laundering, everybody got filthy rich.

So they packed their bags and wound down their various boiler room operations from INSIDE the government to somewhere else.
 

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The way I see it, "they" decided to wind down the war/drug cartels/NGO etc etc con/grift/scamming.
They gorged on taxpayer theft, and the concomitant kickbacks and money laundering, everybody got filthy rich.

So they packed their bags and wound down their various boiler room operations from INSIDE the government to somewhere else.
Yea I would agree with that, but that's a whole other issue and problem separate from the problem of Mexico's government conducting a military operation to facilitate an invasion of America and now threatening America with sanctions if we try the soft options to get them to see reason. The election was largely meant to deal with both problems really. For certainty the Mexican problem and the mass invasion of America by foreigners was a top 3 issue for why Trump was overwhelmingly elected.