Convince me there is non-alcoholic wine in the Bible/communion

[Zobia]

To understand if wine in the Bible was alcoholic, it helps to know the original terms. In Hebrew and Greek, the words used for wine usually mean fermented (alcoholic) grape juice. But "new wine" in Hebrew can mean fresh, non-alcoholic grape juice that hasn’t yet fermented.

 

[posthuman]

To understand if wine in the Bible was alcoholic, it helps to know the original terms. In Hebrew and Greek, the words used for wine usually mean fermented (alcoholic) grape juice. But "new wine" in Hebrew can mean fresh, non-alcoholic grape juice that hasn’t yet fermented.

at Pentecost we have the suspicion that the apostles were drunk on 'new wine' - - so clearly the term does refer to a drink which has alcoholic content.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

To understand if wine in the Bible was alcoholic, it helps to know the original terms. In Hebrew and Greek, the words used for wine usually mean fermented (alcoholic) grape juice. But "new wine" in Hebrew can mean fresh, non-alcoholic grape juice that hasn’t yet fermented.

How does grape juice take way the heart?

Whoredom and wine and new wine take away the heart. Hosea 4:11

 

[homwardbound]

Hello there friends, brothers and sisters in Christ

I am a tee-totaler as they say, I never drink anything, but I am of the opinion that the biblical communion is alcoholic wine. But because I am a tee-totaler, I would like it to be otherwise, I have heard people say its "New wine" which is non-alcoholic, but is there any evidence for this? Convince me of this guys, I ask, please convince me.

I just see alcohol as a massive evil in this world. I also think that so called "moderate" use can turn into excess very fast, and I dont think ssomeone who has never tasted alcohol turns into an alcoholic, meanwhile a moderate user can easily become one.

Does the greek/hebrew have some distinctions I dont know about?

Romans 14:14
I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Romans 14:15
But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

Give freedom one to another, trusting God

Romans 14:4
Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Whether alcohol in it or not, to me matters not any longer

Ephesians 5:18
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

I am now drunk on the new wine, the Holy Spirit of God leads and I am free to love in the same mercy and truth given me to all, thank you

 

[daisyseesthesun]

I lived in the jungles of Colombia S.A. for a couple of years. In the region where I lived they made a beverage from sugar cane called guarapo. When it was freshly made it was nothing more than sugar juice. It would fairly quickly ferment though, and by day 2 it was an alcoholic beverage. It probably tasted best around day 3 and day 4 when it had a moderate amount of fermentation. By the end of the week it had too high an alcohol content and didn't taste as good, at least not to me.

I would venture to guess that the wine was most appreciated in the early days when it had some fermentation, but not too much.



It seems some people are prone to alcoholism and other addictions where others don't really have a problem in that area. A person can consume moderate amounts of alcohol their entire life and never become an alcoholic. Others become alcoholics rather quickly, unfortunately.

It's still popular in Brazil it called Cachaça pronounced kah·cha·kah.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

I am a tee-totaler as they say, I never drink anything, but I am of the opinion that the biblical communion is alcoholic wine.

It's obvious that what JESUS MADE for the wedding in Cana wasn't "Grape juice" according to the words of the governor of the party.

There's no reason to assume that ANY "WINE" mentioned Biblically was non-alcoholic.

Trivia: Welshes grape juice was originally formulated as a "Communion element" for teetotaling denominations, and the standard communion tray has two levels which enable the separation of grape juice from the REAL stuff - depending on the denomination's paradigm about alcohol, AND so that recovering alcoholics can avoid exposure to it. In the United church of Christ, the center section is juice, and the outer section is Wine.

Consumption of alcohol IS NOT forbidden biblically, but there are specific situations listed where alcoholic beverages are forbidden.

"New Wine" is alcoholic, and still has active yeast which can make some folks sick.

Hard liquor is also recommended for people in mourning.

Personally I enjoy Sweet wines (Gewurztraminer for example) but my heart medicines indicate against much consumption.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Makes no sense to me?:

The PURE Body Of The Lord Is Represented by "UNleavened bread" (NO bacteria/germs?)

but:

The PURE BLOOD Of The Lord Jesus Is Represented by alcoholic wine (with bacteria/germs?)

Repeat: Makes no sense to me

Amen.

 

[p_rehbein]

Thanks this was an excellent article and answered many of my questions on this subject. Could you answer 1 Timothy 3:8 to me?
"
Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money,
"

It says be not given to much wine, there are a few similar verses. If the subject isnt alcoholic wine, why warn about it?

It is speaking of alcoholic wine. It means those who desire to be deacons must be sober individuals not given to getting drunk which would cause their minds to be muddled/foggy when they must make decisions concerning the Church/Congregation IMO.

The requirements for Bishop are even more strict:

2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

Meaning they are not to partake of alcoholic drink. Kinda messes up how the Catholic Bishops live, huh?

 

[p_rehbein]

This is why i never drink.

Another old adage is: Drink is a block and tackle. Take a drink, walk a block and believe you can tackle anything...

 

[p_rehbein]

As Scripture says (and someone here said) "moderation."

I'm not criticizing anyone who has a drink, but I do not. The last alcoholic drink I had was February 13th 1983. Same day I fully gave myself to Jesus. I have never missed it. Not once.

 

[John146]

It's obvious that what JESUS MADE for the wedding in Cana wasn't "Grape juice" according to the words of the governor of the party.

There's no reason to assume that ANY "WINE" mentioned Biblically was non-alcoholic.

Trivia: Welshes grape juice was originally formulated as a "Communion element" for teetotaling denominations, and the standard communion tray has two levels which enable the separation of grape juice from the REAL stuff - depending on the denomination's paradigm about alcohol, AND so that recovering alcoholics can avoid exposure to it. In the United church of Christ, the center section is juice, and the outer section is Wine.

Consumption of alcohol IS NOT forbidden biblically, but there are specific situations listed where alcoholic beverages are forbidden.

"New Wine" is alcoholic, and still has active yeast which can make some folks sick.

Hard liquor is also recommended for people in mourning.

Personally I enjoy Sweet wines (Gewurztraminer for example) but my heart medicines indicate against much consumption.

???

John 2:
9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.